[quote]debraD wrote:
haha and I carefully worded my post to not infer gun laws or lack of had anything to do with anything to avoid an argument.
I originally said “I’m so glad no one carries guns around here!” but took that out.
Not that I care to argue that. I am still glad but I’m not going to get into the debate of what makes it different.[/quote]
I got mugged in Toronto, with a pistol. It was super obvious dude was about to mug me, and I had no way to protect myself so I just threw my money off to the side. Yeah, no one carries guns?[/quote]
Clearly you weren’t paying attention to your surroundings. :PPP[/quote]
I was, that’s how I pulled the money out of my wallet so I wouldn’t get mugged and shot. [/quote]
Ah. So you see someone shady looking and you throw your money at him? Was he wearing a toque and a mack jacket?
I’m just bugging ya, ya know You should realize however, I’m about 4,000 km away from Toronto and I’m in a city about 40k population so my comments still apply. People do not carry guns around here. Handguns, that is. Everybody and their dog has a rifle.
[quote]debraD wrote:
haha and I carefully worded my post to not infer gun laws or lack of had anything to do with anything to avoid an argument.
I originally said “I’m so glad no one carries guns around here!” but took that out.
Not that I care to argue that. I am still glad but I’m not going to get into the debate of what makes it different.[/quote]
I got mugged in Toronto, with a pistol. It was super obvious dude was about to mug me, and I had no way to protect myself so I just threw my money off to the side. Yeah, no one carries guns?[/quote]
Clearly you weren’t paying attention to your surroundings. :PPP[/quote]
I was, that’s how I pulled the money out of my wallet so I wouldn’t get mugged and shot. [/quote]
Ah. So you see someone shady looking and you throw your money at him? Was he wearing a toque and a mack jacket?
I’m just bugging ya, ya know You should realize however, I’m about 4,000 km away from Toronto and I’m in a city about 40k population so my comments still apply. People do not carry guns around here. Handguns, that is. Everybody and their dog has a rifle.
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Yes I know you are ribbing me.
No, but I had it in my hand (in the pocket) because either the dude was going to pick pocket me or rob me with a gun. I walked out into the street and he hopped out and pointed the pistol.
[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]
Motherfucker, they were buyin drugs at a gas station at night in fuckin Detroit.
That’s not a case of “anyone can get got,” that’s a case of “I got ripped off in a drug deal.”
I definitely agree with having situational awareness, but some of you make it SOUND like paranoia. I’ve been robbed by knife-point as I was literally right about to walk into my apartment (on the street) and I’ve been jumped once with a friend by a group of guys. The guy and his buddy robbed me of my $600 chain which was very dear to me. I’ve been very aware ever since (the robbery happened as I was walking home from SAT’s), but I’m not afraid of little things like talking to strangers, even in the middle of the night (I’m usually out at night). Yes, clearly I would be weary of someone if I was walking home and no one else was around, but I guess you develop a “spider sense,” of sorts. I talk to people I don’t know on the train all the time. I live on the border of Brooklyn and Queens and go to school in Harlem, so I’m not exactly sheltered. I think the trick is looking like you’re aware and like you mean business. My hands are usually in my pockets, my back and traps sort of tense up a bit, and I look around using mostly my peripherals. Nothing bad has happened ever since, and I’ve been in plenty of situations where something easily could have. People are just a little too afraid of the world. When I told people that I was going snowboarding in Argentina and Chile, people thought I was crazy because it was South America and likely dangerous. Not at all, and I was out partying all hours of the night in random neighborhoods.
Btw, Professor X, have you ever seen “Dexter,” the show? The way your general demeanor comes off on this site, no offense, completely reminds me of the character Sergeant Doakes. Watch this montage and tell me no one else agrees, haha:
Have you ever been compared to him before? =P Not at all meant to be offensive, btw.
getting robbed buying weed in a gas station parking lot at night…wow…that really gets a lot of…ummm…sympathy from me.
WTF did they expect to happen?
I think this thread was more about concealed handguns more so than the reason they were there in the first place. Having a license for a concealed weapon is not inherently a bad thing if you know what you are doing with it. Maybe if the person didnt have a license to carry they would have been more alert and aware of their surroundings?
If you dont draw, make ready, and fire before your attacker gets within 10 feet of you, you might as well just hand it to them. OP would have had better luck carrying a collapsible baton, or they could have not had their head up their asses.
[quote]FlameofOsiris wrote:
I definitely agree with having situational awareness, but some of you make it SOUND like paranoia. I’ve been robbed by knife-point as I was literally right about to walk into my apartment (on the street) and I’ve been jumped once with a friend by a group of guys. The guy and his buddy robbed me of my $600 chain which was very dear to me. I’ve been very aware ever since (the robbery happened as I was walking home from SAT’s), but I’m not afraid of little things like talking to strangers, even in the middle of the night (I’m usually out at night). Yes, clearly I would be weary of someone if I was walking home and no one else was around, but I guess you develop a “spider sense,” of sorts. I talk to people I don’t know on the train all the time. I live on the border of Brooklyn and Queens and go to school in Harlem, so I’m not exactly sheltered. I think the trick is looking like you’re aware and like you mean business. My hands are usually in my pockets, my back and traps sort of tense up a bit, and I look around using mostly my peripherals. Nothing bad has happened ever since, and I’ve been in plenty of situations where something easily could have. People are just a little too afraid of the world. When I told people that I was going snowboarding in Argentina and Chile, people thought I was crazy because it was South America and likely dangerous. Not at all, and I was out partying all hours of the night in random neighborhoods.
Btw, Professor X, have you ever seen “Dexter,” the show? The way your general demeanor comes off on this site, no offense, completely reminds me of the character Sergeant Doakes. Watch this montage and tell me no one else agrees, haha:
Have you ever been compared to him before? =P Not at all meant to be offensive, btw.
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[quote]FlameofOsiris wrote:
I definitely agree with having situational awareness, but some of you make it SOUND like paranoia. I’ve been robbed by knife-point as I was literally right about to walk into my apartment (on the street) and I’ve been jumped once with a friend by a group of guys. The guy and his buddy robbed me of my $600 chain which was very dear to me. I’ve been very aware ever since (the robbery happened as I was walking home from SAT’s), but I’m not afraid of little things like talking to strangers, even in the middle of the night (I’m usually out at night). Yes, clearly I would be weary of someone if I was walking home and no one else was around, but I guess you develop a “spider sense,” of sorts. I talk to people I don’t know on the train all the time. I live on the border of Brooklyn and Queens and go to school in Harlem, so I’m not exactly sheltered. I think the trick is looking like you’re aware and like you mean business. My hands are usually in my pockets, my back and traps sort of tense up a bit, and I look around using mostly my peripherals. Nothing bad has happened ever since, and I’ve been in plenty of situations where something easily could have. People are just a little too afraid of the world. When I told people that I was going snowboarding in Argentina and Chile, people thought I was crazy because it was South America and likely dangerous. Not at all, and I was out partying all hours of the night in random neighborhoods.
Btw, Professor X, have you ever seen “Dexter,” the show? The way your general demeanor comes off on this site, no offense, completely reminds me of the character Sergeant Doakes. Watch this montage and tell me no one else agrees, haha:
Have you ever been compared to him before? =P Not at all meant to be offensive, btw.
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My guess is, that is pretty much the most exposure some of you have to any black guys in the first place.
No, no one ever relates him to me…just people like you over the internet…or those who live in towns of 70,000 people and think they know what people in New York, LA or Houston deal with.
Depressingly, this is the future for all of us. Populations bloom, densities increase. Eventually we’re all living in cities and subs having to watch our backs and worrying about our women getting raped when we’re not with them.
Fuck the world and the human race.
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P.S just for your viewing pleasure, i want to mention that living in Britain, and having tight gun laws i believe gives us the benefit of being able to risk a “lower guard”. It’s alot more inconvenient and less expedicious trying to rob some one at knife point; also means being large and intimidating is a greater form of defence.
I know you boys in the states are always defending your gun laws; and i think taking guns off the public wouldnt help due to the point you’ve reached. Owning or having possession of a handgun in the United Kingdom is akin, probably, to pulling a Bazooka on someone in the states. Treated alot more seriosuly by everyone so the simple act of having one is v. risky (carries minimum of 6 years in prison just having one in your home/possession nevermind using it). Thus after all these years, even crmins have a low ownage rate (of guns); i’d much rather have someone pull a knife on me than a gun, regardless of survival/death/stab rate. Atleast i know i’ve got options.
All the best.
edit** P.P.S Sorry forgot to say anything relating to the OP or thread; your boys DESERVED IT, buying drugs, going armed & meeting with crims. Recipe for disaster lucky they got away without any drama. >:D
God bless england, where you can walk into a petrol station, pay for your petrol and walk out all without the pressure of having to analyze every person to see if they are a ‘threat’ or not.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
Everyone lets their guard down sometimes. [/quote]
Really? At gas stations? That is like letting your guard down at an atm machine. How the hell does someone get that close to you with a gun cocked and aimed at you before you realize they are invading your personal space?
Should someone that blind to their surroundings be carrying a piece in the first place?[/quote]
Here we go again. Silliest assumption here being that every robber HAS to be within your personal space already to threaten you. Fuck me, it probably takes half a second for them to pull a gun out AND walk 2 or 3 meters, thus going from being WELL away from you whilst you paid for whatever at the counter, to being in your face with a gun.
Unless you were constantly staring at them alraedy, waiting for them to move - which is impossible - since you can’t keep an eye on the 5-10 people within the shop, then chances are that they’ll have you at a disadvantage.
What’s more is that you are assuming that the people who got robbed got robbed because they were sleepwalking. Situational awareness doesn’t guarantee anything. A determined robber, with half a braincell will get the jump on 99% of people. This doesn’t make 99% of people dipshits.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
Everyone lets their guard down sometimes. [/quote]
Really? At gas stations? That is like letting your guard down at an atm machine. How the hell does someone get that close to you with a gun cocked and aimed at you before you realize they are invading your personal space?
Should someone that blind to their surroundings be carrying a piece in the first place?[/quote]
Here we go again. Silliest assumption here being that every robber HAS to be within your personal space already to threaten you. Fuck me, it probably takes half a second for them to pull a gun out AND walk 2 or 3 meters, thus going from being WELL away from you whilst you paid for whatever at the counter, to being in your face with a gun.
Unless you were constantly staring at them alraedy, waiting for them to move - which is impossible - since you can’t keep an eye on the 5-10 people within the shop, then chances are that they’ll have you at a disadvantage.
What’s more is that you are assuming that the people who got robbed got robbed because they were sleepwalking. Situational awareness doesn’t guarantee anything. A determined robber, with half a braincell will get the jump on 99% of people. This doesn’t make 99% of people dipshits. [/quote]
Are you retarded? The two in question got robbed because they were fucking with the wrong people at night and set themselves up. Have you even read the thread?
If you are at a gas station at night with 5-10 people milling around, unless they are all in the same gang, your chances of getting robbed will be greatly decreased. Your greatest risk is being one of the only people in the station at night while ignoring someone walking in your direction because you are too dumb to realize what a risky situation looks like.
Some of you are trying too hard…and you aren’t even good at it.
What does it matter? Even if he saw it coming he woulda had to pull his gun, and choose between shooting him or getting shot. If he got shot, he’d be screwed… If he shot him, the robber would get a lawyer and sue the kid and again, the kid would be screwed.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was driving home at 3am this morning and noticed a “nonthreatening guy” waving for a hitchhike. Clearly, I should have stopped. He was “non threatening” so no red flags were raised.[/quote]
Oh come off it. Creating extreme situations and erecting strawmen to back your argument sounds silly.
I walked past a kid yesterday. I’m lucky to be alive. He could’ve opened his jacket and thrown a great white shark at me. Next time I’ll bulldozer his house if he walks within 1 mile of me. (Yes, misrepresenting your sentiments makes me look stupid doesn’t it? Lucky its not my go-to method of debate)
[quote]clip11 wrote:
My friend’s two nephews were robbed last night at the gas station. One of them had a cpl and was carrying at the time. The guy pulled his weapon first and had it on him (my friends nephew). He patted my friends nephew down and took his weapon from him and his cash. No one was hurt.
Now i know the purpose of having a cpl is to prevent yourself from being a victim. But what can you honestly do when someone already has a gun on you? Should you walk around with a chambered bullet? What can be done??[/quote]
[quote]Chewwy wrote:
God bless england, where you can walk into a petrol station, pay for your petrol and walk out all without the pressure of having to analyze every person to see if they are a ‘threat’ or not.
Some of you guys are just bonkers.[/quote]
You better watch out, man. I’ve heard criminals in the UK are getting quite well with throwing knives, soon you’ll have to treat a trip to the petrol station as if you’re Jason Bourne.
[quote]Chewwy wrote:
God bless england, where you can walk into a petrol station, pay for your petrol and walk out all without the pressure of having to analyze every person to see if they are a ‘threat’ or not.
Some of you guys are just bonkers.[/quote]
Right. Because London doesn’t have half a million stabbings every day, right? Because the mayor didn’t come out last year and say if someone’s getting stabbed and you see it, just keep walking?
Big Brother’s cameras in every light and on every corner sure are keeping you safe, aren’t they…
Why are you guys jumping on X? For being aware? I highly doubt he’s paranoid in any way, but just more aware of his surroundings than most people, who wander around literally in a fog. The guy grew up in a shitty neighborhood, then joined the military. Those two things are going to teach you- watch what you’re doing.
And yes, 99 percent of the people ARE dipshits. Go to a mall and watch how people walk to and from their cars at night- fumbling with keys, talking on cell phones, not paying attention at all. This is one of those times where professional criminals make a point to ambush you.
Going in and out of your house/apartment is another one- you’re very vulnerable there because you’re not really thinking about what’s going on. The worse the area you live in, the more likely this is going to be.
It is not being paranoid- I don’t have my hand on my knife and I’m not ducking between cars and shit. It’s just keeping your head on a swivel and knowing when to keep walking. It’s really not that complicated.
You should realize however, I’m about 4,000 km away from Toronto and I’m in a city about 40k population so my comments still apply. People do not carry guns around here. Handguns, that is. Everybody and their dog has a rifle.
