Gas Station Robbery

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[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

I dont think anyone said that they would have avoided this (unless they said that they wouldnt have stopped at that gas station in the first place)

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?

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gas station in Detroit? yeah, probably should have seen it coming.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

I dont think anyone said that they would have avoided this (unless they said that they wouldnt have stopped at that gas station in the first place)

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

I DO think people are at least implying that they would have avoided the situation. I agree that they should not have been surprised, but I don’t think the OP posted saying that his friends nephews were surprised, only that it happened. They may have very well been aware of their surroundings, and not at all surprised, but it did indeed occur regardless.

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2 guys buying weed from an unknown contact at a Detroit gas station…and they were armed.

I at least hope one was standing guard while the other was counting stars with his gun in his socks.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was driving home at 3am this morning and noticed a “nonthreatening guy” waving for a hitchhike. Clearly, I should have stopped. He was “non threatening” so no red flags were raised.[/quote]

so you put your hand on your gun the second someone steps into the gas station parking lot? Do you draw it?

I don’t have a gun. I’d just wet my pants and then hand over my keys and wallet?[/quote]

Wait…do some of you think you are being witty with this?[/quote]

No. I’m being serious. That wet my pants thing wasn’t supposed to be a question. Its a statement of fact.[/quote]

Bulshit ELI. You said in other thread:

"I recently wrestled a guy at a party. I’m the most mild mannered person you will ever meet but in competition I lose it. I was ripping the crossface accross the eyes, whispering evil shit in his ear, rubbing my chin in his sternum.

I got up (it was a brief grudge match intermission in a drinking game) and the crowd parted like the red seas. What a rush baby. "

Doesn’t sound like a guy who’d piss his pants in a confrontation. Unless you’ve actually wet your pants and then hand over your keys and wallet during a gas station heist then you’re just making shit up. And you just did.

[/quote]

can you not tell the difference between a wrestling match and a gun in your face? My goodness you are stupid.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

are we still talking about a gas station robbery, or surprise buttsex?

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[quote]dshroy wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

are we still talking about a gas station robbery, or surprise buttsex?[/quote]
both!

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

are we still talking about a gas station robbery, or surprise buttsex?[/quote]
both! [/quote]

is it suprise Buttsex when you call the dicks and tell them were your asses will be? Sounds like a orgy of dumbassitness.

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
Do all you actually think this way? That no matter what, you’re not safe? You should be conscious of every dude that talks, looks, walks up to you? This thread makes me SO GLAD that I don’t live in places where guns are allowed to be carried around freely. How terrible is it that you have to look over your shoulder where ever you go? I guess if you had a problem with it, you could just move. However you’re staying put and it doesn’t seem to bother you, so bravo to all you who deal with this every day. [/quote]

So what you mean is this- “I’m glad where I live in a place where criminals, who are apparently fine with doing illegal things, have access to guns, yet I, a law-abiding citizen, do not have access to firearms to defend myself from these criminals.”

We may have a higher crime rate than you, but it has to do with the people, not the guns. The day that all guns are made illegal and confiscated in America is the day that all of these same people that were robbing people with guns will continue to have access to guns, and the citizens that used to have legal guns to defend themselves will be more fucked than ever.

My girlfriend knows a girl that was driving home from work late at night, and a car full of guys started harassing her and trying to push her car towards the edge of the road, so she held up her hand gun to where they could see it and the guys sped off. They knew that they were dealing with a legitimate threat, and responded how the large majority of criminals will. Who knows how badly she would have been raped and beat if they would have managed to get her car to run off the road and stop. There are situations like this that happen everyday. You may live in the utopia of Canada where everyone smokes too much weed to care about robbing anyone else, but there is crime here and we need a way to respond to it appropriately.

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[quote]Zarellz wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

I dont think anyone said that they would have avoided this (unless they said that they wouldnt have stopped at that gas station in the first place)

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

I DO think people are at least implying that they would have avoided the situation. I agree that they should not have been surprised, but I don’t think the OP posted saying that his friends nephews were surprised, only that it happened. They may have very well been aware of their surroundings, and not at all surprised, but it did indeed occur regardless.[/quote]

Most of us would have avoided the situation because most of us aren’t buying weed at gas stations late at night where guns are involved in the first place. Now, as far as this issue specifically, the most likely scenario is that these guys were caught off guard completely by the people they were buying from…who immediately took advantage of the fact that they were not aware of their surroundings even though they had a fucking gun.

Bottom line, you shouldn’t be at a fucking gas station at night allowing someone to creep up on you close enough to pull a gun before you realize they are on you. Trying to come up with every possible scenario under the sun to get around this (like implying someone literally walks across the street or from a gas pump several feet away with the gun already drawn as if that won’t catch anyone’s attention) makes little sense.

Whether any of us could escape these circumstances completely is up in the air, but one thing many of us can say is that sneaking up on is isn’t likely the majority of the time because some of us ;look for shit like that.

If this offends you, who cares?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

I dont think anyone said that they would have avoided this (unless they said that they wouldnt have stopped at that gas station in the first place)

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

I DO think people are at least implying that they would have avoided the situation. I agree that they should not have been surprised, but I don’t think the OP posted saying that his friends nephews were surprised, only that it happened. They may have very well been aware of their surroundings, and not at all surprised, but it did indeed occur regardless.[/quote]

Most of us would have avoided the situation because most of us aren’t buying weed at gas stations late at night where guns are involved in the first place. Now, as far as this issue specifically, the most likely scenario is that these guys were caught off guard completely by the people they were buying from…who immediately took advantage of the fact that they were not aware of their surroundings even though they had a fucking gun.

Bottom line, you shouldn’t be at a fucking gas station at night allowing someone to creep up on you close enough to pull a gun before you realize they are on you. Trying to come up with every possible scenario under the sun to get around this (like implying someone literally walks across the street or from a gas pump several feet away with the gun already drawn as if that won’t catch anyone’s attention) makes little sense.

Whether any of us could escape these circumstances completely is up in the air, but one thing many of us can say is that sneaking up on is isn’t likely the majority of the time because some of us ;look for shit like that.

If this offends you, who cares?[/quote]

You buy weed much X? You are generally going to make yourself vulnerable by the nature of the transaction. They didn’t need to be unaware to let the people come to them because they were expecting them to do it. Like you said, buying weed at night at a gas station from people who might rob you is stupid, but unless you are going to make them sell you weed at gunpoint, then you normally don’t have a choice if they pull their piece on you.

How would you guys handle a situation though, if you had a gun and a “suspicious” person was approaching you? If someone walks towards you and you begin to back away, and they say “hey you got a light?” and reach into their coat (presumably for a “cigarette”) where do you go from there? Pull your gun on them? Is that justifiable to the police if they come up with just a cigarette? Do you have to wait to see a gun and then try to pull yours faster? If so, do you shoot? I wouldn’t want to stand gun to gun with a guy, I know that much. Everyone is talking about avoiding the situation and being aware, but what can you actually do when that happens?

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

Sheltered? I lived in a town with 30,000 and now 70,000. I lived in boston for 4years. [/quote]

Yes you are.[/quote]

Explain.[/quote]

Living in a town of 30,000 is not the same as living in Houston or Phoenix.

I lived in both, Garden City, KS and Phoenix, AZ, as well as Houston for part of this summer. One, no one has to worry about much of anything (although we had some crazy ass serial killers in this town) when it comes to being mugged in Garden City. I am sure this is how you feel the rest of the world is.

In Phoenix, I don’t even water my lawn when I get home at night without my pistol, and I live in a “good” part of town.

[/quote]
Great logic on calling someone sheltered. [/quote]

If you live in a small town, usually not a lot of crime = sheltered from the realities of crime. Live in a big city, usually a lot of crime = not sheltered from the realities of crime on a daily basis. You live in a small town = you are sheltered from the realities of crime.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
haha and I carefully worded my post to not infer gun laws or lack of had anything to do with anything to avoid an argument.

I originally said “I’m so glad no one carries guns around here!” but took that out.

Not that I care to argue that. I am still glad but I’m not going to get into the debate of what makes it different.[/quote]

I got mugged in Toronto, with a pistol. It was super obvious dude was about to mug me, and I had no way to protect myself so I just threw my money off to the side. Yeah, no one carries guns?[/quote]

Clearly you weren’t paying attention to your surroundings. :PPP[/quote]

I was, that’s how I pulled the money out of my wallet so I wouldn’t get mugged and shot.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
so the wild assumption that I am not out that late is ridiculous.[/quote]

Also Rico, some people work swing shift or grave yard so getting gas, or running errands in the middle of the night isn’t absurd.

[/quote]

Dude he lives in a town of 70,000 people, everyone gets off at 5 to get eat dinner with the family, and everyone goes home early Wednesday afternoon to go fishing. Everything is shut down by 6 o’clock.

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

I dont think anyone said that they would have avoided this (unless they said that they wouldnt have stopped at that gas station in the first place)

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

I DO think people are at least implying that they would have avoided the situation. I agree that they should not have been surprised, but I don’t think the OP posted saying that his friends nephews were surprised, only that it happened. They may have very well been aware of their surroundings, and not at all surprised, but it did indeed occur regardless.[/quote]

Most of us would have avoided the situation because most of us aren’t buying weed at gas stations late at night where guns are involved in the first place. Now, as far as this issue specifically, the most likely scenario is that these guys were caught off guard completely by the people they were buying from…who immediately took advantage of the fact that they were not aware of their surroundings even though they had a fucking gun.

Bottom line, you shouldn’t be at a fucking gas station at night allowing someone to creep up on you close enough to pull a gun before you realize they are on you. Trying to come up with every possible scenario under the sun to get around this (like implying someone literally walks across the street or from a gas pump several feet away with the gun already drawn as if that won’t catch anyone’s attention) makes little sense.

Whether any of us could escape these circumstances completely is up in the air, but one thing many of us can say is that sneaking up on is isn’t likely the majority of the time because some of us ;look for shit like that.

If this offends you, who cares?[/quote]

You buy weed much X? You are generally going to make yourself vulnerable by the nature of the transaction. They didn’t need to be unaware to let the people come to them because they were expecting them to do it. Like you said, buying weed at night at a gas station from people who might rob you is stupid, but unless you are going to make them sell you weed at gunpoint, then you normally don’t have a choice if they pull their piece on you.

How would you guys handle a situation though, if you had a gun and a “suspicious” person was approaching you? If someone walks towards you and you begin to back away, and they say “hey you got a light?” and reach into their coat (presumably for a “cigarette”) where do you go from there? Pull your gun on them? Is that justifiable to the police if they come up with just a cigarette? Do you have to wait to see a gun and then try to pull yours faster? If so, do you shoot? I wouldn’t want to stand gun to gun with a guy, I know that much. Everyone is talking about avoiding the situation and being aware, but what can you actually do when that happens? [/quote]

What makes you think I even carry a gun? Whether I do or not isn’t something I would publicly discuss. Armed or not, I have SEVERAL TIMES had someone walk towards me at night asking for shit. Hell, they seem to do it more often when they see a bigger guy because they think we won’t be as afraid and will help them. More than once I have said something to the effect of, “I don’t have shit and don’t come any closer”. Again, whether armed or not, I am speaking as if I am. I have never had things escalate beyond that. Period…and generally this transaction occurs before they get anywhere near me.

The last time a gun was pointed at me for the purpose of stealing something was when I was in the 4th grade. Trust me, that makes you grow up quick.

I tend to avoid potentially negative situations before they get really ugly. I do this by being aware of my fucking surroundings and not blindly falling into some trap that some of you would clearly be set up for.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^have you ever gone through transition drills before? If so you would know that racking the slide takes virtually no time and is much easier than switching off the safety.

Who really cares if you alert the guy who is attempting to rob you? You’re trying to draw first on someone and he’s going to see you pulling the gun before he would hear the weapons action.[/quote]

If you are going anyway, default cocked and locked. Pulling a slide back = noise, pulling a hammer back = noise. Pushing a safety down = can’t hear it.

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[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

Ever been robbed? Unless you got a professional on your hands 9/10 times dude pulls out his gun from his waist band within 7 feet of you.

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[quote]Zarellz wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

I dont think anyone said that they would have avoided this (unless they said that they wouldnt have stopped at that gas station in the first place)

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

I DO think people are at least implying that they would have avoided the situation. I agree that they should not have been surprised, but I don’t think the OP posted saying that his friends nephews were surprised, only that it happened. They may have very well been aware of their surroundings, and not at all surprised, but it did indeed occur regardless.[/quote]

Well PX didn’t say anything about that, I didn’t say anything about that. I have been robbed/mugged three times. Hasn’t happened yet since I went through a defense course and learned how to use a pistol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

I dont think anyone said that they would have avoided this (unless they said that they wouldnt have stopped at that gas station in the first place)

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

I DO think people are at least implying that they would have avoided the situation. I agree that they should not have been surprised, but I don’t think the OP posted saying that his friends nephews were surprised, only that it happened. They may have very well been aware of their surroundings, and not at all surprised, but it did indeed occur regardless.[/quote]

Most of us would have avoided the situation because most of us aren’t buying weed at gas stations late at night where guns are involved in the first place. Now, as far as this issue specifically, the most likely scenario is that these guys were caught off guard completely by the people they were buying from…who immediately took advantage of the fact that they were not aware of their surroundings even though they had a fucking gun.

Bottom line, you shouldn’t be at a fucking gas station at night allowing someone to creep up on you close enough to pull a gun before you realize they are on you. Trying to come up with every possible scenario under the sun to get around this (like implying someone literally walks across the street or from a gas pump several feet away with the gun already drawn as if that won’t catch anyone’s attention) makes little sense.

Whether any of us could escape these circumstances completely is up in the air, but one thing many of us can say is that sneaking up on is isn’t likely the majority of the time because some of us ;look for shit like that.

If this offends you, who cares?[/quote]

You buy weed much X? You are generally going to make yourself vulnerable by the nature of the transaction. They didn’t need to be unaware to let the people come to them because they were expecting them to do it. Like you said, buying weed at night at a gas station from people who might rob you is stupid, but unless you are going to make them sell you weed at gunpoint, then you normally don’t have a choice if they pull their piece on you.

How would you guys handle a situation though, if you had a gun and a “suspicious” person was approaching you? If someone walks towards you and you begin to back away, and they say “hey you got a light?” and reach into their coat (presumably for a “cigarette”) where do you go from there? Pull your gun on them? Is that justifiable to the police if they come up with just a cigarette? Do you have to wait to see a gun and then try to pull yours faster? If so, do you shoot? I wouldn’t want to stand gun to gun with a guy, I know that much. Everyone is talking about avoiding the situation and being aware, but what can you actually do when that happens? [/quote]

What makes you think I even carry a gun? Whether I do or not isn’t something I would publicly discuss. Armed or not, I have SEVERAL TIMES had someone walk towards me at night asking for shit. Hell, they seem to do it more often when they see a bigger guy because they think we won’t be as afraid and will help them. More than once I have said something to the effect of, “I don’t have shit and don’t come any closer”. Again, whether armed or not, I am speaking as if I am. I have never had things escalate beyond that. Period…and generally this transaction occurs before they get anywhere near me.

The last time a gun was pointed at me for the purpose of stealing something was when I was in the 4th grade. Trust me, that makes you grow up quick.

I tend to avoid potentially negative situations before they get really ugly. I do this by being aware of my fucking surroundings and not blindly falling into some trap that some of you would clearly be set up for.[/quote]

What makes you think I think you carry a gun? My question was to anyone who wanted to respond to a hypothetical situation in which they did have a gun. That’s why I said “you guys” and “if you had a gun.”

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Zarellz wrote:
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.[/quote]

I dont think anyone said that they would have avoided this (unless they said that they wouldnt have stopped at that gas station in the first place)

I think the big thing is they should not have been snuck up on. You should have at least seen it coming. You probably wouldnt be able to avoid it but it shouldnt be an out of the blue surprise ya know?[/quote]

I DO think people are at least implying that they would have avoided the situation. I agree that they should not have been surprised, but I don’t think the OP posted saying that his friends nephews were surprised, only that it happened. They may have very well been aware of their surroundings, and not at all surprised, but it did indeed occur regardless.[/quote]

Most of us would have avoided the situation because most of us aren’t buying weed at gas stations late at night where guns are involved in the first place. Now, as far as this issue specifically, the most likely scenario is that these guys were caught off guard completely by the people they were buying from…who immediately took advantage of the fact that they were not aware of their surroundings even though they had a fucking gun.

Bottom line, you shouldn’t be at a fucking gas station at night allowing someone to creep up on you close enough to pull a gun before you realize they are on you. Trying to come up with every possible scenario under the sun to get around this (like implying someone literally walks across the street or from a gas pump several feet away with the gun already drawn as if that won’t catch anyone’s attention) makes little sense.

Whether any of us could escape these circumstances completely is up in the air, but one thing many of us can say is that sneaking up on is isn’t likely the majority of the time because some of us ;look for shit like that.

If this offends you, who cares?[/quote]

You buy weed much X? You are generally going to make yourself vulnerable by the nature of the transaction. They didn’t need to be unaware to let the people come to them because they were expecting them to do it. Like you said, buying weed at night at a gas station from people who might rob you is stupid, but unless you are going to make them sell you weed at gunpoint, then you normally don’t have a choice if they pull their piece on you.

How would you guys handle a situation though, if you had a gun and a “suspicious” person was approaching you? If someone walks towards you and you begin to back away, and they say “hey you got a light?” and reach into their coat (presumably for a “cigarette”) where do you go from there? Pull your gun on them? Is that justifiable to the police if they come up with just a cigarette? Do you have to wait to see a gun and then try to pull yours faster? If so, do you shoot? I wouldn’t want to stand gun to gun with a guy, I know that much. Everyone is talking about avoiding the situation and being aware, but what can you actually do when that happens? [/quote]

What makes you think I even carry a gun? Whether I do or not isn’t something I would publicly discuss. Armed or not, I have SEVERAL TIMES had someone walk towards me at night asking for shit. Hell, they seem to do it more often when they see a bigger guy because they think we won’t be as afraid and will help them. More than once I have said something to the effect of, “I don’t have shit and don’t come any closer”. Again, whether armed or not, I am speaking as if I am. I have never had things escalate beyond that. Period…and generally this transaction occurs before they get anywhere near me.

The last time a gun was pointed at me for the purpose of stealing something was when I was in the 4th grade. Trust me, that makes you grow up quick.

I tend to avoid potentially negative situations before they get really ugly. I do this by being aware of my fucking surroundings and not blindly falling into some trap that some of you would clearly be set up for.[/quote]

What makes you think I think you carry a gun? My question was to anyone who wanted to respond to a hypothetical situation in which they did have a gun. That’s why I said “you guys” and “if you had a gun.”[/quote]

Tell their ass to freeze, halt, alto, stop, watch yourself punk ass bitch before I put you seven deep. Something like that.