Gas Station Robbery

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Why are you guys jumping on X? For being aware? I highly doubt he’s paranoid in any way, but just more aware of his surroundings than most people, who wander around literally in a fog. The guy grew up in a shitty neighborhood, then joined the military. Those two things are going to teach you- watch what you’re doing.

And yes, 99 percent of the people ARE dipshits. Go to a mall and watch how people walk to and from their cars at night- fumbling with keys, talking on cell phones, not paying attention at all. This is one of those times where professional criminals make a point to ambush you.

Going in and out of your house/apartment is another one- you’re very vulnerable there because you’re not really thinking about what’s going on. The worse the area you live in, the more likely this is going to be.

It is not being paranoid- I don’t have my hand on my knife and I’m not ducking between cars and shit. It’s just keeping your head on a swivel and knowing when to keep walking. It’s really not that complicated.[/quote]

whoa whoa whoa … so you’re saying the world isn’t all lollipop kisses and gumdrop rainbows? Where da fuck have I been?

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The funniest part is all the dudes coming in here calling everyone tough guys who think they’re badass.

Uh…no. I’m just saying be aware of your surroundings, and do your best to NOT put yourself in this kind of situation in the first place.

If, despite my best efforts, some thug gets the drop on me and puts a gun in my face, I’m going to hand over my shit and not attempt any heroics - unless it became clear that he was going to hurt me no matter how I responded, in which case I will do what I can to protect myself. Other than that, I’m just handing him my wallet and letting him know I’m not going to pursue him.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
The funniest part is all the dudes coming in here calling everyone tough guys who think they’re badass.

Uh…no. I’m just saying be aware of your surroundings, and do your best to NOT put yourself in this kind of situation in the first place.

If, despite my best efforts, some thug gets the drop on me and puts a gun in my face, I’m going to hand over my shit and not attempt any heroics - unless it became clear that he was going to hurt me no matter how I responded, in which case I will do what I can to protect myself. Other than that, I’m just handing him my wallet and letting him know I’m not going to pursue him. [/quote]

whoa whoa whoa … you mean not everyone is John McClane and common sense and self-preservation trumps delusions of grandeur? Where da fuck have I been?

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
whoa whoa whoa … you mean not everyone is John McClane and common sense and self-preservation trumps delusions of grandeur? Where da fuck have I been?[/quote]

Close, but not quite Polo.

Actually, everyone is Dutch from Predator - but they don’t own a camera or phone so they can’t show you any pictures. ; )

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:
whoa whoa whoa … you mean not everyone is John McClane and common sense and self-preservation trumps delusions of grandeur? Where da fuck have I been?[/quote]

Close, but not quite Polo.

Actually, everyone is Dutch from Predator - but they don’t own a camera or phone so they can’t show you any pictures. ; ) [/quote]

I believe it should’ve been “they don’t own a camera/phone…” … other than that spot on

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
The funniest part is all the dudes coming in here calling everyone tough guys who think they’re badass.

Uh…no. I’m just saying be aware of your surroundings, and do your best to NOT put yourself in this kind of situation in the first place.

If, despite my best efforts, some thug gets the drop on me and puts a gun in my face, I’m going to hand over my shit and not attempt any heroics - unless it became clear that he was going to hurt me no matter how I responded, in which case I will do what I can to protect myself. Other than that, I’m just handing him my wallet and letting him know I’m not going to pursue him. [/quote]

This.

Now I was convicted of Armed Robbery. Charged with 27 counts and plead guilty to one. Did almost 4 years in prison. Got stabbed five times and cut plenty more than that in well over a hundred fights. Grew up near Greenmount and 33rd in Baltimore City and have been on my own since I was 16 on and off the street. I have been robbed several times myself. There have also been a few attempts where the guy trying to rob me crawled away with nine fingers. Or didn’t crawl away at all.

That being said, I believe I’m qualified to join this discussion.

There are two types of people who are going to rob you: professionals and non-professionals. I use the term loosely. Professionals pull a clean job. No one gets shot, in and out quickly, no trace evidence, some planning is involved, etc…

Non-professionals on the other hand can be anyone from a crackhead trying to get a fix, to a drug dealer who got his shit ganked and now owes his supplier money or he’s gonna start losing body parts… In other words, a desperate person thinking short-term.

If you are being robbed by a professional, then relax. Keep your head down and don’t look at them. You should be fine. They aren’t trying to catch a murder charge.

It is far more likely you are going to be robbed by a non-professional. The best defense against this is by not being a mark. “yea tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil - cuz I’m the meanest mutherfucker in the valley”, as the saying goes… Situational awareness is key.

Setting boundaries when appropriate is also important. Avoiding drug deals with strangers at gas stations who may be armed is a good way to avoid getting robbed as well LOL. Fucking idiots. Avoiding places that have more than a few ounces of ANY CDS is a good policy as well. Common sense goes a long way.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to what you project. Are you an easy target? Someone may be asking themselves that question about you every day. When I look at myself in the mirror, I know that I sure as hell wouldn’t try and rob me… and I know what to look for. Can you say the same?

As for carrying a weapon, for me that’s not an option anymore since I am now a felon. But I don’t think it would make any difference. As was said above, anyone can get got. And from a professional perspective, if what I’m after is important enough to where you have to guard it with a firearm, I’m just going to shoot you anyway so don’t have a chance to get the drop on me (hypothetically speaking, of course).

I think it would be a rare instance where having a gun would actually make a difference in the outcome of a robbery other than to escalate it. Not impossible, to be sure - but rare. Getting out of dodge at the appropriate time is a far better idea, IMHO. And as Skynett said, if they get the drop on you, just give them what they want and don’t try to be a hero if you haven’t dealt with that kind of thing before. There’s no shame in it.

As long as they don’t start taking you to a secluded place (toward the back of the store, into the woods, into the ally, etc…). If they do that, they are probably going to shoot you, so you should do what you can to kill them first.

That being said, I just want to reiterate that I never hurt anyone that I ever robbed. Didn’t shoot anyone, didn’t pistol whip anyone (I used a shotgun) - I was even pretty polite. It was also twenty years ago. And I lived to tell about it. So that’s my perspective.

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so the end moral is buy drugs from college kids, and run away at the sight of large black people? oh and never buy gas.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
The funniest part is all the dudes coming in here calling everyone tough guys who think they’re badass.

Uh…no. I’m just saying be aware of your surroundings, and do your best to NOT put yourself in this kind of situation in the first place.

If, despite my best efforts, some thug gets the drop on me and puts a gun in my face, I’m going to hand over my shit and not attempt any heroics - unless it became clear that he was going to hurt me no matter how I responded, in which case I will do what I can to protect myself. Other than that, I’m just handing him my wallet and letting him know I’m not going to pursue him. [/quote]

This.

Now I was convicted of Armed Robbery. Charged with 27 counts and plead guilty to one. Did almost 4 years in prison. Got stabbed five times and cut plenty more than that in well over a hundred fights. Grew up near Greenmount and 33rd in Baltimore City and have been on my own since I was 16 on and off the street. I have been robbed several times myself. There have also been a few attempts where the guy trying to rob me crawled away with nine fingers. Or didn’t crawl away at all.

That being said, I believe I’m qualified to join this discussion.

There are two types of people who are going to rob you: professionals and non-professionals. I use the term loosely. Professionals pull a clean job. No one gets shot, in and out quickly, no trace evidence, some planning is involved, etc…

Non-professionals on the other hand can be anyone from a crackhead trying to get a fix, to a drug dealer who got his shit ganked and now owes his supplier money or he’s gonna start losing body parts… In other words, a desperate person thinking short-term.

If you are being robbed by a professional, then relax. Keep your head down and don’t look at them. You should be fine. They aren’t trying to catch a murder charge.

It is far more likely you are going to be robbed by a non-professional. The best defense against this is by not being a mark. “yea tho I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil - cuz I’m the meanest mutherfucker in the valley”, as the saying goes… Situational awareness is key.

Setting boundaries when appropriate is also important. Avoiding drug deals with strangers at gas stations who may be armed is a good way to avoid getting robbed as well LOL. Fucking idiots. Avoiding places that have more than a few ounces of ANY CDS is a good policy as well. Common sense goes a long way.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to what you project. Are you an easy target? Someone may be asking themselves that question about you every day. When I look at myself in the mirror, I know that I sure as hell wouldn’t try and rob me… and I know what to look for. Can you say the same?

As for carrying a weapon, for me that’s not an option anymore since I am now a felon. But I don’t think it would make any difference. As was said above, anyone can get got. And from a professional perspective, if what I’m after is important enough to where you have to guard it with a firearm, I’m just going to shoot you anyway so don’t have a chance to get the drop on me (hypothetically speaking, of course).

I think it would be a rare instance where having a gun would actually make a difference in the outcome of a robbery other than to escalate it. Not impossible, to be sure - but rare. Getting out of dodge at the appropriate time is a far better idea, IMHO. And as Skynett said, if they get the drop on you, just give them what they want and don’t try to be a hero if you haven’t dealt with that kind of thing before. There’s no shame in it.

As long as they don’t start taking you to a secluded place (toward the back of the store, into the woods, into the ally, etc…). If they do that, they are probably going to shoot you, so you should do what you can to kill them first.

That being said, I just want to reiterate that I never hurt anyone that I ever robbed. Didn’t shoot anyone, didn’t pistol whip anyone (I used a shotgun) - I was even pretty polite. It was also twenty years ago. And I lived to tell about it. So that’s my perspective.[/quote]

Good post man.

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[quote]dshroy wrote:
so the end moral is buy drugs from college kids, and run away at the sight of large black people? oh and never buy gas.[/quote]

What have you been reading? That’s not the message at all. Basically, you should walk around seedy areas with your iPod blaring, checking the time on your Rolex, and counting stacks of $100 bills.

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[quote]dshroy wrote:
so the end moral is buy drugs from college kids[/quote]

Then you get to turn the tables and rob them instead.

+1 for the good guys.

Maybe we should just stay in our houses with guns loaded and just order everything we need to survive off the internet.

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:
so the end moral is buy drugs from college kids[/quote]

Then you get to turn the tables and rob them instead.

+1 for the good guys.

Maybe we should just stay in our houses with guns loaded and just order everything we need to survive off the internet.
[/quote]

do they deliver weed?

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:
so the end moral is buy drugs from college kids[/quote]

Then you get to turn the tables and rob them instead.

+1 for the good guys.

Maybe we should just stay in our houses with guns loaded and just order everything we need to survive off the internet.
[/quote]

do they deliver weed?[/quote]

The college kids? Some of them.

In general? Sometimes, but mostly in big cities, which we’ll have to avoid to ensure the security of our bomb shelter-like houses.

Of course, if the delivery man is the only guy ever coming to your house, you can probably get away with a more entrepreneurial approach to acquiring that. Just make sure to turn off the machine gun turrets when you see him pull up.

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:
so the end moral is buy drugs from college kids[/quote]

Then you get to turn the tables and rob them instead.

+1 for the good guys.

Maybe we should just stay in our houses with guns loaded and just order everything we need to survive off the internet.
[/quote]

do they deliver weed?[/quote]

The college kids?
[/quote]

no. the internet

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[quote]huscarl wrote:
worrying about our women getting raped when we’re not with them.

[/quote]

That’s why the should stay home, no reason to leave the kitchen.

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[quote]Chewwy wrote:
God bless england, where you can walk into a petrol station, pay for your petrol and walk out all without the pressure of having to analyze every person to see if they are a ‘threat’ or not.

Some of you guys are just bonkers.[/quote]

Situational Awareness =/= analyze every person.

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[quote]Magicpunch wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
Everyone lets their guard down sometimes. [/quote]

Really? At gas stations? That is like letting your guard down at an atm machine. How the hell does someone get that close to you with a gun cocked and aimed at you before you realize they are invading your personal space?

Should someone that blind to their surroundings be carrying a piece in the first place?[/quote]

Here we go again. Silliest assumption here being that every robber HAS to be within your personal space already to threaten you. Fuck me, it probably takes half a second for them to pull a gun out AND walk 2 or 3 meters, thus going from being WELL away from you whilst you paid for whatever at the counter, to being in your face with a gun.

Unless you were constantly staring at them alraedy, waiting for them to move - which is impossible - since you can’t keep an eye on the 5-10 people within the shop, then chances are that they’ll have you at a disadvantage.

What’s more is that you are assuming that the people who got robbed got robbed because they were sleepwalking. Situational awareness doesn’t guarantee anything. A determined robber, with half a braincell will get the jump on 99% of people. This doesn’t make 99% of people dipshits. [/quote]

Lol @ pulling a gun takes half a second, you ever even held a gun?

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]dshroy wrote:
so the end moral is buy drugs from college kids[/quote]

Then you get to turn the tables and rob them instead.

+1 for the good guys.

Maybe we should just stay in our houses with guns loaded and just order everything we need to survive off the internet.
[/quote]

do they deliver weed?[/quote]

The college kids?
[/quote]

no. the internet[/quote]

Everything is possible through the internet, it’s magical

and you can get feminized seeds at the very least

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
…so you’re saying the world isn’t all lollipop kisses and gumdrop rainbows?[/quote]

woaaaahhhhh Double Gumdrop rainbow all the waaaay!

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Magicpunch wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
Everyone lets their guard down sometimes. [/quote]

Really? At gas stations? That is like letting your guard down at an atm machine. How the hell does someone get that close to you with a gun cocked and aimed at you before you realize they are invading your personal space?

Should someone that blind to their surroundings be carrying a piece in the first place?[/quote]

Here we go again. Silliest assumption here being that every robber HAS to be within your personal space already to threaten you. Fuck me, it probably takes half a second for them to pull a gun out AND walk 2 or 3 meters, thus going from being WELL away from you whilst you paid for whatever at the counter, to being in your face with a gun.

Unless you were constantly staring at them alraedy, waiting for them to move - which is impossible - since you can’t keep an eye on the 5-10 people within the shop, then chances are that they’ll have you at a disadvantage.

What’s more is that you are assuming that the people who got robbed got robbed because they were sleepwalking. Situational awareness doesn’t guarantee anything. A determined robber, with half a braincell will get the jump on 99% of people. This doesn’t make 99% of people dipshits. [/quote]

Lol @ pulling a gun takes half a second, you ever even held a gun?[/quote]

not just pulling a gun… (which can take a half a second depending on how your side arm is holstered/how much practice you have with presenting the weapon) But he said PUL A GUN OUT AND WALK 2 OR 3 METERS… Who the fuck can walk 9 feet half a second? you must have some giraffe legs or something lol

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:
The funniest part is all the dudes coming in here calling everyone tough guys who think they’re badass.

Uh…no. I’m just saying be aware of your surroundings, and do your best to NOT put yourself in this kind of situation in the first place.

If, despite my best efforts, some thug gets the drop on me and puts a gun in my face, I’m going to hand over my shit and not attempt any heroics - unless it became clear that he was going to hurt me no matter how I responded, in which case I will do what I can to protect myself. Other than that, I’m just handing him my wallet and letting him know I’m not going to pursue him. [/quote]

Exactly. We clearly have some very clueless fuckers on this site who haven’t ever ventured outside their safe little bubble.

I am still laughing at the guy who thought he wasn’t sheltered because he lived in a city with 70,000 people. I think I saw that many people on the way to work this morning.