[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
We weren’t talking about any specific situation. What are you talking about? Nevermind, ugh.[/quote]
WHAT?
The thread started with a VERY SPECIFIC SITUATION. Hint - it involved a gas station late at night.
Jesus Tittyfucking Christ… [/quote]
Looks like you’ve been following this thread closely. Go back and read the conversations I’ve had with X and the other dude. Its not about the VERY SPECIFIC SITUATION. I know I know…I can’t believe a thread got derailed.
[quote]debraD wrote:
haha and I carefully worded my post to not infer gun laws or lack of had anything to do with anything to avoid an argument.
I originally said “I’m so glad no one carries guns around here!” but took that out.
Not that I care to argue that. I am still glad but I’m not going to get into the debate of what makes it different.[/quote]
I got mugged in Toronto, with a pistol. It was super obvious dude was about to mug me, and I had no way to protect myself so I just threw my money off to the side. Yeah, no one carries guns?[/quote]
Clearly you weren’t paying attention to your surroundings. :PPP
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
We weren’t talking about any specific situation. What are you talking about? Nevermind, ugh.[/quote]
WHAT?
The thread started with a VERY SPECIFIC SITUATION. Hint - it involved a gas station late at night.
Jesus Tittyfucking Christ… [/quote]
Exactly. I do believe all of us were talking about “specific circumstances” since not one person here is walking outside during the fucking day time, seeing someone they don’t know, screaming and then running back inside. Yet, that really seems to be how they think.
As for “helmet wearing Rico”, I am often out that late and often get gas at those times. I sometimes don’t even hit the gym til after midnight so the wild assumption that I am not out that late is ridiculous. It seems people don’t live in the strict box you keep putting them in.
Also, why is it they seem to be the ones FEARING certain times of night? I don’t FEAR going out late. I simply know what to look for when I am…which is what the whole fucking thread has been about for the ones too slow to keep up.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
My friend’s two nephews were robbed last night at the gas station. One of them had a cpl and was carrying at the time. The guy pulled his weapon first and had it on him (my friends nephew). He patted my friends nephew down and took his weapon from him and his cash. No one was hurt.
Now i know the purpose of having a cpl is to prevent yourself from being a victim. But what can you honestly do when someone already has a gun on you? Should you walk around with a chambered bullet? What can be done??[/quote]
And to address the original question- you can’t do shit. Dude got the drop on your cousin, and he was shit out of luck.
As X has said in this thread, he should have been way more aware of what’s going on, ESPECIALLY if he’s carrying a fuckin gun. You have your head in the clouds while you’re carrying, you’re a dumbass.
Awareness and avoidance will save you from 98 percent of the bullshit you read about happening to people in the papers. Sure, there’s truly random violence out there, but if you’re the average person who’s not “in the life,” your chances of becoming a victim can be lowered greatly by just paying fuckin attention to the world around you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was driving home at 3am this morning and noticed a “nonthreatening guy” waving for a hitchhike. Clearly, I should have stopped. He was “non threatening” so no red flags were raised.[/quote]
so you put your hand on your gun the second someone steps into the gas station parking lot? Do you draw it?
I don’t have a gun. I’d just wet my pants and then hand over my keys and wallet?
Sheltered? I lived in a town with 30,000 and now 70,000. [/quote]
There are 2.2 million+ people in Houston according to past estimate for 2007. I am not sure why you even mentioned some relatively small town of 70,000 as if they match up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was driving home at 3am this morning and noticed a “nonthreatening guy” waving for a hitchhike. Clearly, I should have stopped. He was “non threatening” so no red flags were raised.[/quote]
so you put your hand on your gun the second someone steps into the gas station parking lot? Do you draw it?
I don’t have a gun. I’d just wet my pants and then hand over my keys and wallet?[/quote]
Wait…do some of you think you are being witty with this?
I’m not surprised by most of the people here who are so surprised by the “on guard” mentality. If you’ve never been involved in the military, police or lived in a rough neighborhood growing up then why would you? (not saying all three of those things are the same but they do instill a similar mentality)
Its called “situational awareness.”
You should be aware of your surroundings and potential danger. If you’re in a sketchy place (like a gas station, in a rough neighborhood, in the middle of the night) Then you should be on your toes. Its not a crazy way of thinking to be suspicious of others, given that situation.
I’m not saying that the robbery could have been avoided (especially since it was supposed to be a drug deal lol) but it SHOULD NOT have been a surprise. They should have seen the guy coming up to them… They might not have been able to avoid the robbery at that part but it shouldnt have been an out of the blue attack. Thats the part I have an issue with
[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m not surprised by most of the people here who are so surprised by the “on guard” mentality. If you’ve never been involved in the military, police or lived in a rough neighborhood growing up then why would you? (not saying all three of those things are the same but they do instill a similar mentality)
Its called “situational awareness.”
You should be aware of your surroundings and potential danger. If you’re in a sketchy place (like a gas station, in a rough neighborhood, in the middle of the night) Then you should be on your toes. Its not a crazy way of thinking to be suspicious of others, given that situation.
I’m not saying that the robbery could have been avoided (especially since it was supposed to be a drug deal lol) but it SHOULD NOT have been a surprise. They should have seen the guy coming up to them… They might not have been able to avoid the robbery at that part but it shouldnt have been an out of the blue attack. Thats the part I have an issue with[/quote]
This seems beyond a few here. These don’t seem to be the types who wold ever be soldiers or well trained at carrying a fire arm past simply owning one.
oh and if I had a concealed pistol I wouldn’t necessarily have a round chambered. It takes virtually no time at all to pull a pistol and chamber a round. I would much rather have no round chambered and have the safety off instead of a round chambered and have to take the safety off. In a high pressure situation taking a safety off uses a lot of fine motor skills, which can be affected by nerves and adrenaline, while just racking the slide back does not.
[quote]gregron wrote:
oh and if I had a concealed pistol I wouldn’t necessarily have a round chambered. It takes virtually no time at all to pull a pistol and chamber a round. I would much rather have no round chambered and have the safety off instead of a round chambered and have to take the safety off. In a high pressure situation taking a safety off uses a lot of fine motor skills, which can be affected by nerves and adrenaline, while just racking the slide back does not.
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I’m going to disagree with this one. If you’re in a high pressure situation, that racking of the slide not only warns whomever you’re against that you have a gun, but it also takes time. Time that you don’t have.
^^have you ever gone through transition drills before? If so you would know that racking the slide takes virtually no time and is much easier than switching off the safety.
Who really cares if you alert the guy who is attempting to rob you? You’re trying to draw first on someone and he’s going to see you pulling the gun before he would hear the weapons action.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was driving home at 3am this morning and noticed a “nonthreatening guy” waving for a hitchhike. Clearly, I should have stopped. He was “non threatening” so no red flags were raised.[/quote]
so you put your hand on your gun the second someone steps into the gas station parking lot? Do you draw it?
I don’t have a gun. I’d just wet my pants and then hand over my keys and wallet?[/quote]
Wait…do some of you think you are being witty with this?[/quote]
No. I’m being serious. That wet my pants thing wasn’t supposed to be a question. Its a statement of fact.
Also, so someone walks up to you in a gas station with the intent of robbing you. He has a gun in his pocket where his hands are.
where is your gun and how do you prevent him from robbing you?
Keep in mind your at the pump, and the guy could be walking in to buy some smokes or something.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^have you ever gone through transition drills before? If so you would know that racking the slide takes virtually no time and is much easier than switching off the safety.
Who really cares if you alert the guy who is attempting to rob you? You’re trying to draw first on someone and he’s going to see you pulling the gun before he would hear the weapons action.[/quote]
No I haven’t, guns is the one area that I don’t have or claim knowledge in. You may be right.
But as far as the sound goes, in a robbing situation that’s fair but in others, you might not want to give away a position or let them know you’re close… I’m thinking more escape and evasion here rather than a blatant robbery
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was driving home at 3am this morning and noticed a “nonthreatening guy” waving for a hitchhike. Clearly, I should have stopped. He was “non threatening” so no red flags were raised.[/quote]
so you put your hand on your gun the second someone steps into the gas station parking lot? Do you draw it?
I don’t have a gun. I’d just wet my pants and then hand over my keys and wallet?[/quote]
Wait…do some of you think you are being witty with this?[/quote]
No. I’m being serious. That wet my pants thing wasn’t supposed to be a question. Its a statement of fact.[/quote]
Bulshit ELI. You said in other thread:
"I recently wrestled a guy at a party. I’m the most mild mannered person you will ever meet but in competition I lose it. I was ripping the crossface accross the eyes, whispering evil shit in his ear, rubbing my chin in his sternum.
I got up (it was a brief grudge match intermission in a drinking game) and the crowd parted like the red seas. What a rush baby. "
Doesn’t sound like a guy who’d piss his pants in a confrontation. Unless you’ve actually wet your pants and then hand over your keys and wallet during a gas station heist then you’re just making shit up. And you just did.
Anyone who is acting like they would avoid this because they are always aware is a joke. You are not a badass. I am all for that kind of attitude, but in a situation like this i doubt the person could’ve done much. The robber did not necessarily have to be on top of them before pulling out his weapon. He could’ve had his weapon pointed at them while he was at another pump in the station.