[quote]gregron wrote:
I hope that HBO soon abandons the “One Season = One Book” thing. The books/story is too vast to condense 700-900 pages into 11-12 one hour episodes. They should expand the books to 2 seasons (part one and part two maybe?) and exted the series. That way they could leave in more details AND (almost more importantly) let the series run on a bit longer so that it doesn’t surpass the books since Martin writes slow as a mofo.
Just my thoughts. Book 5 is absolutely awesome. Every chapter is sweet so far… Will probably surpass book 3 as my favorite in the series.[/quote]
I dont know how true this is but, i’ve heard hbo will merge a storm of swords and a feast for crows, and parts of ADWD due to the books being divided geographically and not chronologically.[/quote]
This is also what I’ve heard.
Or, rather: I’ve heard that Storm will be split into two seasons, and that Feast and Dance will be combined and then split into 2-3 season, so that part of each book is covered per season.
It makes the most sense for HBO to run the story lines concurrently, if for no other reason than most views won’t be able to sit through an entire season dominated by Cersei, with little to no Tyrion.
More practically speaking, I imagine it might be an issue to have a few actors essentially take a season off.
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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Still in book one, but… [/quote]
Then she’s all:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Martin is no Tolkien, that’s for sure. [/quote]
“for sure”
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Do you like them better than the Tolkien books, Gambit? I’m only 300 pages in. Maybe I need to read all 5 before I can say that he’s good but not as good?
The first book is good, the third is great and so far the 5th is too. 2 & 4 were/are ok IMO. Havent read any Tolkien except Hobbit so I cant really compare.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Hey Puff! Lookin great in the new Avi.
The first book is good, the third is great and so far the 5th is too. 2 & 4 were/are ok IMO. Havent read any Tolkien except Hobbit so I cant really compare.[/quote]
The fifth book is “great” so far?
I have yet to read it, but everything I have read has been pretty much “mediocre at best”.
Stylistically, a mediocre GRRM is better than most writers out there, in my opinion… but most of the concerns I’ve read have to do with little plot advancement and too many side characters.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Still in book one, but… [/quote]
Then she’s all:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Martin is no Tolkien, that’s for sure. [/quote]
“for sure”
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Do you like them better than the Tolkien books, Gambit? I’m only 300 pages in. Maybe I need to read all 5 before I can say that he’s good but not as good? [/quote]
lol, I was just giving you a little for drawing conclusions from the beginning.
Personally, I’m re-reading the series again. This will be my third time. I’ve also read LOTR 3 times, but that was a LONG time ago (and not as long). I guess I’ve only read ADWD once.
Which is better? [MINOR SPOILERS]
I suggest you read through the 3rd book before making any final decisions. The first two are in many ways a setup for the 3rd.
Gregron - Thanks about my back, and nice to see ya. Looks like married life is treating you well. FYI, that avi pic is kind of deceptive. If I lower my arms, you can hardly tell I lift, but I do have the biggest traps in my ballet class.
I love it when I find a great series. If you liked The Lord of the Rings films, then you will LOVE the books. So often the films are disappointing in comparison. I really enjoyed the LOTR movies, with a few exceptions. The books are wonderful.
Gambit - I thought my big traps were intimidating. No? LOL! Don’t get me wrong, I like the book a lot so far.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Hey Puff! Lookin great in the new Avi.
The first book is good, the third is great and so far the 5th is too. 2 & 4 were/are ok IMO. Havent read any Tolkien except Hobbit so I cant really compare.[/quote]
The fifth book is “great” so far?
I have yet to read it, but everything I have read has been pretty much “mediocre at best”.
Stylistically, a mediocre GRRM is better than most writers out there, in my opinion… but most of the concerns I’ve read have to do with little plot advancement and too many side characters.[/quote]
I’m only 300 pages in so I cannot attest to the ending… But do far I am very pleased. This book features all of my favorite characters. These characters were missing from book for and so far the book is basically chapters from 3-4 characters over and over. You dont have to wait 5-6 chapters to get back to an a specific character, know what I mean? (don’t want to give away who the chapters are about)
The ending could be lame but right now the book is really good IMO.
anonym: AFFC is not all that bad, IMO its better than the first but the 2,3&5 are the better/quicker reads.
AFFC takes a different style than the other books, because there is so much to the plot now and so many important characters it only focuses on certain POV’s. ADWD then retells parts of the story from the other POVs before embarking on the new information. It is not a bad book and definitely does not deserve the 2.9 star rating on the site you looked at.
In a lot of ways I envy you. You already know the guy is compared with Tolkien. When I started the series, I just knew it was “some book” my little brother recommended. And he has recommended some so-so books. You’ll have a lot of fun reading. DO NOT watch the series or read spoilers. It’ll really ruin that “first read” experience.
Wait, that’s you in your avi? … … slowly slinks to corner to hide
I’m actually glad that HBO Asia edits out the sex…I mean I look at the actors in the show and I really don’t want to see any of these pasty people fucking.
Well, it would have been nice to see Dany and Drogo for a bit I guess.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Hey Puff! Lookin great in the new Avi.
The first book is good, the third is great and so far the 5th is too. 2 & 4 were/are ok IMO. Havent read any Tolkien except Hobbit so I cant really compare.[/quote]
The fifth book is “great” so far?
I have yet to read it, but everything I have read has been pretty much “mediocre at best”.
Stylistically, a mediocre GRRM is better than most writers out there, in my opinion… but most of the concerns I’ve read have to do with little plot advancement and too many side characters.[/quote]
I’m about 1/3 of the way though book 5 and I’d really prefer not to have chapters about Asha Greyjoy and there’s so much about the people on Essos (the continent that Danerys is on) but if you’re like me and don’t remember ALL THE FUCKING PEOPLE IN THE BOOKS then you get pages and pages where Gruznok is talking to Hazgibut or fuck what.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m actually glad that HBO Asia edits out the sex…I mean I look at the actors in the show and I really don’t want to see any of these pasty people fucking.
Well, it would have been nice to see Dany and Drogo for a bit I guess.[/quote]
The characters Ros and Melisandre have some nice cans. That’s about all you’ve missed. That and Loras blowing Renly 60 different times, if you’re into that.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Hey Puff! Lookin great in the new Avi.
The first book is good, the third is great and so far the 5th is too. 2 & 4 were/are ok IMO. Havent read any Tolkien except Hobbit so I cant really compare.[/quote]
The fifth book is “great” so far?
I have yet to read it, but everything I have read has been pretty much “mediocre at best”.
Stylistically, a mediocre GRRM is better than most writers out there, in my opinion… but most of the concerns I’ve read have to do with little plot advancement and too many side characters.[/quote]
I’m about 1/3 of the way though book 5 and I’d really prefer not to have chapters about Asha Greyjoy and there’s so much about the people on Essos (the continent that Danerys is on) but if you’re like me and don’t remember ALL THE FUCKING PEOPLE IN THE BOOKS then you get pages and pages where Gruznok is talking to Hazgibut or fuck what.
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I’m 300 pages in and have yet to have a chapter about Asha do I cannot comment on that. As far as the extreme amount of unnessecary detail… Well at this point in the series I’ve learned to skim over it. When the characters are walking through some spice market and they’re describing the scene that has no real bearing on the story I’ll kinda just glaze over that part real quick and get to the good stuff so that I’m not bogged down with the details… Same thing I do whenever he writes about food. Very pointless so I skip it.
I think Asha’s chapter is around page 350 in the paperback.
I get the story pretty much completely …it’s just when two or more characters are talking and I don’t know who they are. I mean I know all the main ones and all that…but in this book he seems to have more minor characters talking.
I mean the Duck guy and Griff and Haldon I can’t even find in the list of characters in the back.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Hey Puff! Lookin great in the new Avi.
The first book is good, the third is great and so far the 5th is too. 2 & 4 were/are ok IMO. Havent read any Tolkien except Hobbit so I cant really compare.[/quote]
The fifth book is “great” so far?
I have yet to read it, but everything I have read has been pretty much “mediocre at best”.
Stylistically, a mediocre GRRM is better than most writers out there, in my opinion… but most of the concerns I’ve read have to do with little plot advancement and too many side characters.[/quote]
I’m about 1/3 of the way though book 5 and I’d really prefer not to have chapters about Asha Greyjoy and there’s so much about the people on Essos (the continent that Danerys is on) but if you’re like me and don’t remember ALL THE FUCKING PEOPLE IN THE BOOKS then you get pages and pages where Gruznok is talking to Hazgibut or fuck what.
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I’m 300 pages in and have yet to have a chapter about Asha do I cannot comment on that. As far as the extreme amount of unnessecary detail… Well at this point in the series I’ve learned to skim over it. When the characters are walking through some spice market and they’re describing the scene that has no real bearing on the story I’ll kinda just glaze over that part real quick and get to the good stuff so that I’m not bogged down with the details… Same thing I do whenever he writes about food. Very pointless so I skip it.[/quote]
Without all of the detail about food and clothing, each these books would be at least 100 pages shorter.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I mean the Duck guy and Griff and Haldon I can’t even find in the list of characters in the back.[/quote]
^^I think those characters are going to be pretty important to the story (considering the recent plot twist that just occurred) its just kinda tough cause you’ve got 3-4 books already in the series which have established the main characters and then you get new ones and have to learn who they are… Kinda like what you had to do in the first book with all of the characters.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Without all of the detail about food and clothing, each these books would be at least 100 pages shorter.
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It’d be awesome, wouldn’t it?
I remember when they had the huge feast in Kings Landing that had 77 courses (I think that’s how many it was) that after the first 4 or 5 I thought “holy crap, he’s going to describe every course!!!” lol glad he didn’t.
Oh sure, I don’t want to paint a bad picture of George RR Martin.
It’s just if I wanted to be confused about ho’s talking to who about what and where are they then I 'd read Steven Erikson’s Tales of the Malazan! heh heh.
