[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
20 and 18 are in different leauges.
i seriously doubt theres only 5 people on this site with 18 inch arms, theres more people than 5 who have arms that big at the gym i go to.
you never said i couldnt hit 18, there were a couple others who implied it.
i dont agree that you need above average genetics to hit that size though. i think you need above average genetics to hit 20, thats for sure. or drugs.
i dont know where you guys train either, but a shitload of people at my gym train “functionaly” and superset with 2 completely random exercises, pullups and squats, benching and cleans thats the freeweight side.
then you look over to where most the machines are and theres people doing kettleball squat thrusts and bosu phoenix curls.
maybe sometime ill take a trip into your bizarro world where its an astounding feat to accomplish 18 inch arms yet everyone trains like a bodybuilder and can gain 20lbs of muscle a year. [/quote]
I feel sorry for you if this is the highest level of your comprehension. A BEGINNER or even someone within the first couple of years of training should be able to gain 20lbs of muscle in a year if not within MONTHS. How is it you can’t understand this?
Getting legit 18" arms, however, is not being achieved by even more dedicated lifters.
You can’t comprehend someone gaining 20lbs of muscle in a year but you see several people with arms over 18"
You are the one living in some parallel world, dipstick.
lol, I think ill have to strongly disagree with you about gaining a healthy 20lbs of lean muscle in months haha, unless you gain an immense amount of weight,
lets try to keep it realistic here and not talk like “i know that 1 guy 1 time that did it”
[quote]honest wrote:
lol, I think ill have to strongly disagree with you about gaining a healthy 20lbs of lean muscle in months haha, unless you gain an immense amount of weight,
lets try to keep it realistic here and not talk like “i know that 1 guy 1 time that did it”[/quote]
Guy, I did it and at least one of the guys I’ve trained has done it. We aren’t talking about people who seem to think if they gain 5lbs in 5 years that they are doing great. We aren’t talking about below average genetics.
PS this is not to say that it cannot be done,
everyone knows it is “doable” im simply seperating between what can be done and how many people actually do it
btw its pretty impossible to only gain 5lbs in 5 years unless ur only using the tread for 5 years im sure you would know that though
[quote]honest wrote:
PS this is not to say that it cannot be done,
everyone knows it is “doable” im simply seperating between what can be done and how many people actually do it
btw its pretty impossible to only gain 5lbs in 5 years unless ur only using the tread for 5 years im sure you would know that though[/quote]
Dude, bodybuilding is NOT for everyone. When I write, I am not writing for the people who are lucky to see their arms reach 15" after 5 years of training. If you fall into that category, please exit stage left.
If it takes YOU 5 years to gain 20lbs, that is just too bad. That is BELOW average gains. It should not take more than a year for a rank beginner to gain around 15-20lbs of muscle if they have a chance in hell of standing out in a crowd of serious lifters years later.
I am not interested in what the least genetically inclined to build muscle can do.
as far as genetics go, i think 90% of wether you would achieve IN THE BEGINNING it would be from your work at the gym and diet, thats why i wouldnt really talk about genetics with this example,
lets not get into calling out genetics here, i dont think anyone has the power to see the genetic structure of people through their computer screen ;),
but i apologize because we really arent talking about the same thing here, you are talking about proffesional bodybuilders, im talking more about regular guys who lift to be healthy gain a decent amount of muscle, and dont lift or eat or inject to die at 50,
also im sure you would already know this, just because someone hasnt taken the route stated above, that says nothing about their genetics, it says that they are not interested in bodybuilding to that extent,
[quote]honest wrote:
… dont lift or eat or inject to die at 50,…
[/quote]
Um, what? lifting seriously leads to death at 50? Eating a lot leads to death at 50 even if it’s clean? Do you even know anything about injecting because it doesn’t sound like you do about the first 2.
go research how many pro bbers die at an early age, go research the stats, have you? i dont think so, i have,
also i was talking about people that make massive gains illegaly that overdue it, aka pro bbers aka the few people that can get 18’ plus if you actually read above, there is nothing wrong with lifting seriously,
attempt to be a smartass"
epic failure
anyways im off, this thread was hijacked enough as it was, no reason to keep it going
[quote]honest wrote:
as far as genetics go, i think 90% of wether you would achieve IN THE BEGINNING it would be from your work at the gym and diet, thats why i wouldnt really talk about genetics with this example,
lets not get into calling out genetics here, i dont think anyone has the power to see the genetic structure of people through their computer screen ;),
but i apologize because we really arent talking about the same thing here, you are talking about proffesional bodybuilders, im talking more about regular guys who lift to be healthy gain a decent amount of muscle, and dont lift or eat or inject to die at 50,
also im sure you would already know this, just because someone hasnt taken the route stated above, that says nothing about their genetics, it says that they are not interested in bodybuilding to that extent, [/quote]
I’m sorry, but why do you think I am talking about professional bodybuilders? What I am NOT talking about are people who think gaining all of 15lbs is all they are after. This is the bodybuilding forum.
The goal is not “people MAY be able to tell you lift if you wear really tight clothes and tell them”.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Sabastian525 wrote:
I’m just sick of it. It makes me extra sad that I used to think this way. IF you want to get bigger, lift heavy and eat all the damn time. I eat at the desk, in the car, in the bathroom, all the time. If you haven’t thrown up from overeating, you don’t really know how much you can eat.
THAT’S a rant for you.
-Sab
Eat in the bathroom? What, do you wipe yourself with the sandwich? That’s just nasty Bro![/quote]
when bulking, I’ve done this numerous times. When it’s time to eat, it’s time to eat, and sometimes that overlaps nature calling.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I have 18 inch arms and am very healthy, your point is ruined.[/quote]
yes all wordly stats have been ruined because some guy says hes “healthy” also i was rather talking about muscle 18’ arms, not fat boy arms no offense, otherwise afew of my uncles would be classified as beastly lol
and professor i dont really know what you are disagreeing with, i assume you are talking about people towards the proffesional end because they would be some of the only people to gain 20lbs of lean muscle in months, i told you im not arguing whether its possible or not, so lets just leave it at this,
if u read one of my above posts i also dont find people who want to gain muscle just for the purpose of gaining muscle too smart, im one of the few people who would rather stay at a relatively lower weight until you are pretty much maxed in strength then go up, im not like 90% of people here wants to be 240,
you can put on 50lbs of lean muscle and it wouldnt mean shit if your weak excuse me for being different
[quote]honest wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
I have 18 inch arms and am very healthy, your point is ruined.
yes all wordly stats have been ruined because some guy says hes “healthy” also i was rather talking about muscle 18’ arms, not fat boy arms no offense, otherwise afew of my uncles would be classified as beastly lol
and professor i dont really know what you are disagreeing with, i assume you are talking about people towards the proffesional end because they would be some of the only people to gain 20lbs of lean muscle in months, i told you im not arguing whether its possible or not, so lets just leave it at this,
you think that alot of people are achieving 20lbs of lean muscle in months, I think very few people are doing it, because thats the only thing i oppose you on, [/quote]
The number of people who can do it is not the issue. We are not talking about people who can’t stand out in a crowd no matter what they do. You are the one not making sense. You are on a bodybuilding forum trying to act like the goal ISN’T to gain as much muscle as possible within reason.
We are not discussing people who are trying hard to look average. Why you think this means “professional bodybuilders” is beyond me unless your own gains have been very unimpressive.
It doesn’t surprise me that someone who isn’t trying to stand out thinks a beginner can’t gain 20lbs of muscle in a year. I am also not surprised that you think we are discussing below average weight lifters.
you think that alot of people are achieving 20lbs of lean muscle in months, I think very few people are doing it, because thats the only thing i oppose you on, [/quote]
you wanna know why? Because most people are following advice that this whole thread is trying to fricken disprove. You can only “gain .25 lbs muscle/per week”, so the vast majority set out to gain only that and after 4 months they’ve put on 5 lbs.
Or if you actually realized what most of us are saying is that if you actually don’t limit yourself, eat a lot of decent food, train hard than you can possibly gain 20 lbs of mostly muscle in less than a year (if you’re a beginner).
Not sure why I’m even replying here, it won’t change anything. Retarded people keep thinking they’re right when they probably haven’t made much progress themselves so they think it can’t be done.
You’re on the wrong forum and probably even the wrong website, little bro.
This is a bodybuilding forum on a bodybuildign website, and health is a secondary concern for those of us who train to compete.
Size and proportion when bulking up, separation and detail when getting sliced…thats the cycle we follow. We try to stay as healthy as we can while doing this, and even folow protocols when injecting ourselves to prevent damage…but health is still a secondary concern.
You are free to have your own goals, but when you speak up so loudly and demand to be heard, understand the forum you’re voicing your opinions in.
[quote]honest wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
I have 18 inch arms and am very healthy, your point is ruined.
yes all wordly stats have been ruined because some guy says hes “healthy” also i was rather talking about muscle 18’ arms, not fat boy arms no offense, otherwise afew of my uncles would be classified as beastly lol
and professor i dont really know what you are disagreeing with, i assume you are talking about people towards the proffesional end because they would be some of the only people to gain 20lbs of lean muscle in months, i told you im not arguing whether its possible or not, so lets just leave it at this,
you think that alot of people are achieving 20lbs of lean muscle in months, I think very few people are doing it, because thats the only thing i oppose you on, [/quote]
stop being ignorant and read what i said,
i said people can do it, few people do it
and i disagree with your bodybuilding point of view, you want to look like you got as much muscle as possible and pose with panties good for you,
im talking about people who put more emphasis on actuall stregth gains, instead of the douchebags looking in the mirror and pumping their arms, thats why olympic weightlifters totally outlift all bbers, and thats why some people like myself who only weigh 170 would rape one of your “isolation” exercises 20lbs of muscle students in lifts
Wrong. This is why you don;t speak up on a bodybuilding forum unless you train to compete. if you have the wrong frame with poor musc bellies, no amount of training will make any difference in how you look.
[quote]honest wrote:
as far as genetics go, i think 90% of wether you would achieve IN THE BEGINNING it would be from your work at the gym and diet [/quote]
[quote]honest wrote:
stop being ignorant and read what i said,
i said people can do it, few people do it
and i disagree with your bodybuilding point of view, you want to look like you got as much muscle as possible and pose with panties good for you,
im talking about people who put more emphasis on actuall stregth gains, instead of the douchebags looking in the mirror and pumping their arms, thats why olympic weightlifters totally outlift all bbers, and thats why some people like myself who only weigh 170 would rape one of your “isolation” exercises 20lbs of muscle students in lifts[/quote]
HOLY hell, are you serious? did you just type that? You’ve got to be a troll, or pretty damn stupid.
Here’s what I’m not getting when people are saying a beginner can’t put on more than 10 lbs of muscle in a year… do you guys not see what happens to freshmen football players who get on a weight training program?
They eat 3x a day and drink some Muscle Milk or whatever they want and BLOW UP. Bigger legs, chest, traps, shoulders etc etc from just getting into training and eating a bit more. 20 lbs over a summer of mostly solid weight would be pretty average.
Does that not happen around you guys every year? To keep that progress going things have to be fine tuned a bit more, more focused training, more attention to diet etc… but there is a reason “newbie gains” are even a term.
They are exceptional and happen to nearly anyone who puts forth a little effort. If you wanted to get as big as you could and didn’t gain 20 lbs within the first year of training(and there are no medical issues)… you did something wrong flat out.
If you still want to get as big as you can and are only putting on 5 lbs a year(and you aren’t already noticeably large)… you are still doing something wrong.
im sure you would know that though