[quote]sapasion wrote:
FG - Calves need more weight to grow. Park your car on a slight incline and have it in neutral. Doing make shift raises that way. Feet on ground, lean/lay onto hood and go to town.[/quote]
If you’ve got manual transmission, can you get away with fewer reps/sets? 
Day 101
Weight 238lbs
Neck - 17"
Shoulders - 55"
Chest - 44"
Arm - 16.45"
Waist - 38"
Hips - 43.5"
Leg - 27"
Calf - 16.25"
Well after 3 weeks of travel, work, partying, missed injections, and far too many missed workouts I am pretty happy simply to have stayed at my current weight and not have regressed too badly.
I def took a step back in progress (muscle loss, strength loss, and fat gain) but this is not as bad as i thought it would be given I did no cardio for a full 3 weeks, only got in a few weight workouts, and didn’t eat well at all.
On another positive note I feel mentally recharged and ready to finish this cycle off hard. I was getting very mentally exhausted before this hiatus and was having trouble finding the motivation to work hard in the gym.
On the negative side I have developed some strange pain in my lower triceps muscle that only acts up when I work out (it feels kind of like when you hit your funny bone…i get a dull radiating pain and lose all the strength). Ibuprofen seems to work on it, though I am worried about the cause.
I have let the androgen levels drop a bit because I was getting a lot of acne. Current cycle looks something like this:
Test E - 500mg/w
EQ - 300mg/w
Mast E - 200mg/w
Proviron - 50mg/d
Adex - 0.25mg/d
Nolva - 20mg/d
I am likely going to run this only another few weeks and then start the taper although with rugby starting I am very reluctant to come off cycle. I may just cruise at a low dose of test (say 300mg/w).
Thanks for keeping this log going FG. Let me ask why you feel its necessary to run a-dex and Nolva concurrently?
I stopped the nolva about a week after i started the Adex and i started feeling that itchy tingling in the nips again. i am going to run the nolva a few more days and then try stopping it again.
I am sure there was a ton of estrogen built up in my system just floating around…don’t know how long it takes to clear it out but it wasn’t gone the first time I stopped the nolva. hopefully it will be gone by now.
Day 107
Weight - 240lbs
Neck - 17.5"
Shoulders - 56.5"
Chest - 45.5"
Arm - 17"
Waist - 38"
Hips - 44.5"
Leg - 27"
Calf - 16.5"
I have now gone 2 days with no nolva and i don’t seem to be having any estrogen issues.
I seem to have gained size in the last few days. Maybe cutting out the nolva did it (water weight).
Still having issues with my right triceps/elbow…it isn’t as bad as before but every time I lift it starts to slowly become a problem. I had to cut out a set of dumbell presses yesterday because of it.
I am starting to realise how badly needed the time off was.
Things seem to be fine with the lower dose of gear although I don’t think the effects will be felt for another week or so. Side effects seem to be reduced a little. definitely less acne.
FG
Day 123
Weight - 238lbs
Neck - 17.5"
Shoulders - 56"
Chest - 45"
Arm - 17"
Waist - 37"
Hips - 42.75"
Leg - 27"
Calf - 16"
Well I am over 4 months in now. Progress has definitely slowed to a crawl but it is still happening.
I have leaned out a bit but am staying at around the same weight.
I dropped the EQ about a week ago. I have definitely seen a drop in hunger but I believe the weight shift is mostly because of the increase in cardio.
I am currently taking
Test E - 600mg/w
Masteron - 200mg/w
Proviron - 50mg/d
Nolva - 20mg/d
Adex - .5mg/d
I realise taking adex and nolva at the same time isn’t normal but I dropped the nolva and was getting gyno symptoms so I am gonna run them both for now.
I have started to develop pockets of fluid in my right elbow and knee that I think are from impact damage to the bursa sacks (spelling?). I have had this before but it seems to be worse this time…possibly related to the gear.
My plan from here is to taper the test and masteron over the next few weeks. I am going to run an IGF-1 cycle along with some glucosamine to try to repair some of my ailing ligaments/joints and cement some of the gains I have made.
Day 14
Weight 240lbs
Neck 17.25"
Shoulders 55.5"
Chest 45.5"
Arms 16.5"
Waist 39"
Hips 45.5"
Leg 27"
Calf 16"
Day 123
Weight - 238lbs
Neck - 17.5"
Shoulders - 56"
Chest - 45"
Arm - 17"
Waist - 37"
Hips - 42.75"
Leg - 27"
Calf - 16"
Isn’t there something wrong with this picture? I’m a total newb, so maybe it’s just me, but this just doesn’t seem right. Why stay on for 123 days when there’s been essentially no change since day 14?
The stats are a little decieving. I was on DBol for the first 3 weeks so a lot of that 240lbs was water weight…a lot was fat as well (notice the waist size going from 39" to 37"). While this isn’t a huge difference I am very tall so that accounts for a lot of weight. I have leaned out a lot since week 2.
I will admit the results of a long cycle have been a little less impressive than I figured they would have been. Although I have been struggling from time to time with injuries and sickness I think from now on I will be doing shorter cycles.
I figured you were probably leaner looking at the waist and hip measurements, but I’d forgotten to take into account water weight. Like I said, I’m a total newb. So do you have any idea what your bodyfat was then and is now?
I don’t have a scale that measures BF% (I have been meaning to pick one up so I can better track performance)…If I had to guess I would say it was about 20% at week 2 and is now around 15%…5% of my body mass would be about 12 pounds…so that is a pretty decent shift (I have probably gained about 10lbs LBM and lost about 12lbs of fat over the time period).
A fairly significant amount of that fat has come off my waist and ass which was the intended goal. I am still lagging behind my targets though.
That’s great, man. Congrats!
He’s right. Steroids killed my father, raped my mother, and kicked my dog.
Anyway, FuriousGeorge, maybe I just wasn’t paying attention, but how often are you injecting each bit of gear? 3x week?
[quote]JustDrag wrote:
You are such a schmuck! I hope your woman likes the effects you’re praying for. You see, because testosterone breaks down into estrogens, men’s voices may rise (totally cool) and their breasts get larger (every woman’s dream come true). In women, the extra testosterone can make the clitoris grow and the face sprout thick hair (for you roid retards who go both ways).
In the long term steroids raise cholesterol level and blood pressure, creating the risk of heart attack and stroke. The liver can malfunction, so jaundice yellows the eyes and skin. Adolescents stop growing because the growth plates in the bones close prematurely. Yet you losers go for it as if you are without the ability to be harmed. Stupid!
Tell the truth you girlie men! The world of BB and PL if full of denials, lies and advice given with a wink and a nod. Here’s to you Mr. Bitch Tits with a 405 bench. I want to be just like you.
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I am currently injecting 2x/w now that i have dropped the doses a bit.
I was injecting Tues, Thurs, Sat when I was up over a gram a week.
Day 131
Weight - 237lbs
Neck - 17.5"
Shoulders - 56.5"
Chest - 45"
Arm - 16.75"
Waist - 37"
Hips - 43"
Leg - 26.75"
Calf - 16.5"
Well some very minor changes. I seem to have continued leaning out a little more but nothing too dramatic. My arms are down slightly and calves up slightly but I think this is more a reflection of what was worked recently.
I am fairly happy with where I am at right now in terms of muscle mass but want to lean out a lot more.
I will be starting some IGF-1 soon and running it for about a month at 40mcg on training days only.
I will also be switching from arimidex to letrozole to try to clear out as much estrogen as possible before tapering down the dose of gear.
I have some primo and may run it during the next 6 weeks but I am not sure. Might just save it for next cycle.
Day 145
Weight - 239.5 lbs
Neck - 17.5"
Shoulders - 56"
Chest - 45"
Arm - 16.75"
Waist - 36.5"
Hips - 43"
Leg - 27"
Calf - 16.5"
No big changes. A little more off the waist and I have put back a pound or two of muscle and feel a little denser/harder.
I have been tapering down the test dose slowly. I am now at 300mg/w Test E and 200mg/w Masteron. I feel great so far on the lower dose. Recovery/strength is not as good as when I was running up over a gram a week but pretty decent.
I have added 25mg/d Winstrol as well as 50mcg IGF-1 on training days (muscle group being trained). I plan on running this for the next month while on the low dose of test/mast and then I am going to taper down the test completely.
So far I am happier on lower doses of gear. I still get a nice strength boost, the obvious cosmetic enhancement from the pump, and improved recovery without the serious side effects.
I am interested to see how the IGF-1 is going to work out. If I can shed a few pounds of fat while adding size to my lagging body parts then I will be very happy with it. I have already noticed a slight improvement in my elbow and knee.
So far I haven’t lost any significant muscle mass since dropping my doses which is exactly what I wanted. No crash in mood or libido either. I am still hovering just below 240lbs and getting leaner so things are going well.
I am still well behind my fat loss goals though (my plan to return to a 34" waist is coming but far too slowly). I am still carrying too much fat everywhere. I need to keep closer to my diet.
FG
I can believe this thread has over 4000 views…are people still following this thing?
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
I can believe this thread has over 4000 views…are people still following this thing?[/quote]
Me too
I will be watching with great interest as you taper down. Excuse me if I missed it earlier if stated but what is your down cycling plan FG? If you could post your next few weeks suggested dosages I’d like to have an idea exactly what you’re looking at.
ya, my off cycle has slowly been getting pushed out. This cycle started as an 8 week cycle, then it was a 16 week cycle, and is now up to nearly 5 months and still going.
This is what I am looking at doing if you consider today week 1:
W 1-4 Test E 300mg/w
W 1-4 Mast E 200mg/w
W 1-4 Winny 25mg/d
W 1-4 IGF-1 50mcg (Mo,Tu,We,Th,Sa)
W 1-4 Letro 1mg/d
W 1-8 Nolva 20mg/d
W 5-8 Test E 50mg/w
W 5-8 Mast E 50mg/w
Then from week 9 I am going to drop the test and mast dose by about 10mg/w until I am down to nothing.
My goal for this is obviously to do a very slow progression back to zero exogenous androgens and not crash/lose gains that I have spent a lot of time and money on.
The Winny I am hoping is going to keep my strength high as test levels are dropping and I try to shed the last 10 lbs of fat I am trying to get rid of.
The IGF-1 I got mostly to help repair some joint issues I have been having from the heavy toll of this cycle and also from rugby. If it adds some lean mass or helps me cut down a bit then all the better.
I was speaking with a guy that is using a combination of bromocriptin and GHB to reduce prolactin and increase GABA respectively…therefore increasing endogenous hGH levels toward the end of his cycle. I kinda like this idea so I am thinking about throwing it in during the last month of tapering. I probably should have done this at the same time as the IGF-1 cycle but whatever.
If I don’t feel normal after all that I am going to run some HCG and then clomid and nolva for a couple of weeks but I think the taper should work fine.
Day 197
Weight - 232 lbs
Neck - 17.25"
Shoulders - 55.5"
Chest - 44.5"
Arm - 16.5"
Waist - 37"
Hips - 42.5"
Leg - 26"
Calf - 16"
Well. What goes up must come down.
After being on for more than half a year (oops) my weight is steadily dropping (I am now a full 12 lbs below what I was at the peak of this cycle but only about 7-8 pounds below where I was for the majority of the cycle) although I don’t seem to be losing a ton of muscle mass I can definitely tell that full feeling in the muscles is gone, my strength is down, and my endurance is a fraction of what it was. Hopefully what I am losing is mostly the retained water from the test.
I am now down to about 100mg/w of total adrogens (60mg/w test and 40mg/w masteron) and I will soon be dropping this down for the taper. We’ll see how it goes, hopefully I won’t lose too much more mass.
FG