Full Squats are Better and Safer than Half Squats!?

Yesterday I finally managed to convince my girlfriend to come to the gym with me and wanted to teach her how to squat. I wanted her to do full squats, but she replied that everyone, including coaches and her brother, who is a hockey coach, taught not to go below parallel.

I know that full squats are better and safer than half squats, but how to explain it and how to argue with certified “coaches” who advocate doing half squats!? The fact that the same “coaches” make hugely overweight women do triceps kick-backs and 5 different abs exercises in order to lose fat makes it somewhat easier for me, but that’s not the point.

I guess that this had already been discussed in other topics, so a link to a similar discussion would also work for me.

Thanks in advance for your help!

P.S. My girlfriend has a great body, but I am sure that if she starts squatting (and training properly in general) she would get even hotter with an even tighter ass!

There are at least several articles about safety of full squatting on this site.
Check Mike Robertson and Eric Cressey’s articles.

But if your GF has not enough mobility or flexibility, full squatting isn’t recommended.

Didn’t read the whole thing, but this looks like it could be useful. Bill Starr's 5 x 5 program... Variation per Madcow2 (thanx) So here it is! K up now!

Less stress on the back and the knees, you don’t need to fetch as many plates;) etc.

BTW, if you post photos of your GF, you can expect lots of interest from others. lol

[quote]Tr1K wrote:
BTW, if you post photos of your GF, you can expect lots of interest from others. lol[/quote]

I am sure. But I can also expect her to castrate me or at least to put me on a diet of the worst type. No thanks.

Thanks for the help, guys! I will check the articles and try to translate them into a language understandable for people who do not spend the whole day reading T-Nation.

[quote]Khan Krum wrote:
Yesterday I finally managed to convince my girlfriend to come to the gym with me and wanted to teach her how to squat. I wanted her to do full squats, but she replied that everyone, including coaches and her brother, who is a hockey coach, taught not to go below parallel.

I know that full squats are better and safer than half squats, but how to explain it and how to argue with certified “coaches” who advocate doing half squats!? The fact that the same “coaches” make hugely overweight women do triceps kick-backs and 5 different abs exercises in order to lose fat makes it somewhat easier for me, but that’s not the point.

I guess that this had already been discussed in other topics, so a link to a similar discussion would also work for me.

Thanks in advance for your help!

P.S. My girlfriend has a great body, but I am sure that if she starts squatting (and training properly in general) she would get even hotter with an even tighter ass![/quote]

Well, first explain to her what a true “parallel” squat is (the top of the knee and crease of the hip form a line parallel to the ground/floor). In reality an ATG squat isn’t that much deeper than a true parallel squat. If she is truly hitting parallel, then she’s probably still ok.

Sadly, from experience (being certified myself as well as reading/talking to other PT’s talk about such things) I suspect that what she means by “parallel” is the knee joint being at a 90 degree angle (which isn’t even remotely close to parallel) or at best that the bottom of the thigh is parallel to the ground.

Next point out to her the literally thousands (if not hundreds of thousands or even millions) of olympic lifters out there who squat ATG and never encounter knee problems. In other words, point out that the risk which these so called “experts” warn of are completely unsubstantiated and unproven by any hard evidence.

The one study which many cite to back up such claims (as well as claims about such things as the knee never going forward the toes while squatting) is quite old and most truly knowledgeable strength coaches don’t put much stock in it. It does in fact show that pressure in the knee increases up to (I believe, haven’t actually looked at it in a while) 200% if the knee is allowed to naturally track forward while squatting to parallel. However, it also shows that if the knee is not allowed to naturally track forward (they actually used a bar to restrict the lower leg’s ability to track forward), then the pressure in the hip increases by as much as 1,000%.

All this shows is that the joints of the hip, knee, and ankle are all meant to share the load on exercises like squats, and that while restricting movement at one joint might lessen force on that specific joint, the other joints must simply bear the additional load.

I actually taught a new female client how to squat this past Friday. Before we even got started she told me that she’d always had a really hard time squatting and didn’t know if she’d be able to do them or not. Sure enough, her idea of a squat was the totally unnatural nonsensical type of squat that is illustrated in most fitness rags. Once I showed her the correct way she couldn’t believe how much more comfortable and natural it felt. Not to mention the fact that she could go ATG with absolutely no problems or discomfort whatsoever. Bottom line is that most people’s idea of a squat is totally off and once they feel how to actually do it right, they don’t have any issues (other than maybe legitimate mobility issues) doing them to parallel (or lower).

Hope this helps.

honestly like 99% of the population does not have the prerequisite mobility to do a full squat

[quote]challer1 wrote:
honestly like 99% of the population does not have the prerequisite mobility to do a full squat [/quote]

Wait what?

Just show her the article and this thread. If she still don’t believe you, fuck it her problem really.

[quote]challer1 wrote:
honestly like 99% of the population does not have the prerequisite mobility to do a full squat [/quote]

I’d like a reference on that. Of course, if you are talking about Americans, sure, but once they get the hang of it, they do have quite helpful squat bellies.

With a wide enough stance and when told to keep their damn heels down, I think most people can reach parallell, albeit with some lumbar rounding.

This is pretty good. Talks a bit about why full squats are better (more natural). Also gives some alternatives and progressions in case mobility isn’t good enough to begin with.

Teach her a 3rd world squat. My females love it because it needs very little if any external load and they really feel it in their butt. That and hip extensions.

[quote]challer1 wrote:
honestly like 99% of the population does not have the prerequisite mobility to do a full squat [/quote]

Come on, 99%? What population are you working with? People over 90?

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
Just show her the article and this thread. If she still don’t believe you, fuck it her problem really. [/quote]

A real natural with the ladies, are you?

^ shut up and squat BIoTCH!

haha…thats what he should say. :smiley:

[quote]Tr1K wrote:
BTW, if you post photos of your GF, you can expect lots of interest from others. lol[/quote]

2x

[quote]themumbler wrote:

This is pretty good. Talks a bit about why full squats are better (more natural). Also gives some alternatives and progressions in case mobility isn’t good enough to begin with.[/quote]

Great pic of the baby squatting in the link! Thanks, Mumbler!

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

Hope this helps.[/quote]

This definitely helps! Thanks!

[quote]Khan Krum wrote:
Yesterday I finally managed to convince my girlfriend to come to the gym with me and wanted to teach her how to squat. I wanted her to do full squats, but she replied that everyone, including coaches and her brother, who is a hockey coach, taught not to go below parallel.

I know that full squats are better and safer than half squats, but how to explain it and how to argue with certified “coaches” who advocate doing half squats!? The fact that the same “coaches” make hugely overweight women do triceps kick-backs and 5 different abs exercises in order to lose fat makes it somewhat easier for me, but that’s not the point.

I guess that this had already been discussed in other topics, so a link to a similar discussion would also work for me.

Thanks in advance for your help!

P.S. My girlfriend has a great body, but I am sure that if she starts squatting (and training properly in general) she would get even hotter with an even tighter ass![/quote]

Cool Story Bro!

it took me a while, but my wife is now a pretty good squatter. she doesn’t use much weight, but her form is pretty good. she goes past parallel. I think she sort of likes it. I think the key for me was when I taught her how to do it, I had her do it with a pvc pipe, then a stretching bar, then a little more, when SHE asked for more. Now she uses a weight that makes her work, but doesn’t kill her. I critique her form, and she likes it. if I had said “her bitch, throw some plates on that bar and get to work.”, i’d be sleeping alone, and working out alone. so, I guess the moral to the story is, if you want her to be successful, you have to be patient and let her set her own pace, and accept the fact that she might not want squats in her life.

today was my squat day, and some dip-shit (actually he is a decent guy) was doing curls (of course) in the only power rack that can be set up to face away from the mirror. so I had to work out facing the mirror…which is distracting. it sucked. when he finished, I moved all my weights over, and finished with a happy day of some additional sets.