[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Do you know how to look in a profile?
Put up or shut up worm.
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hahaaha wow, I just looked at your pics, do you even workout your arms?
And you call me a worm? loooooool.
Less posting more gym for you son.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Do you know how to look in a profile?
Put up or shut up worm.
hahaaha wow, I just looked at your pics, do you even workout your arms?
And you call me a worm? loooooool.
Less posting more gym for you son.[/quote]
Keep putting me down without pics of your own up…
Coward.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Do you know how to look in a profile?
Put up or shut up worm.
hahaaha wow, I just looked at your pics, do you even workout your arms?
And you call me a worm? loooooool.
Less posting more gym for you son.
Keep putting me down without pics of your own up…
Coward.
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aight. Here’s a recent of me, chillin after some LISS in the sea (all natural.)
U mad?
Coward…
If your going to put up a fake pic, please use one of someone with some muscular development.
Shugart is fucking jacked compared to that kid.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Do you know how to look in a profile?
Put up or shut up worm.
hahaaha wow, I just looked at your pics, do you even workout your arms?
And you call me a worm? loooooool.
Less posting more gym for you son.
Keep putting me down without pics of your own up…
Coward.
aight. Here’s a recent of me, chillin after some LISS in the sea (all natural.)
U mad?
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The mere selection of this picture as your rebuttal answers so many questions. I don’t think you have any moral standing to continue posting here. Go back to the newbies section and read for a couple of years.
WTF? awesome…
This invasion all started because regular guys wanted to put on some mass, so they went to the experts, bodybuilders.
They followed their routines, gained some size, then some writers thought, hey theres loads of people that dont want to be huge, but are reading bodybuilding websites for info on how to add some mass.
So these writers start aiming articles at them, putting down the huge bodybuilders, making the smaller people feel better about themselves. So these “menshealthers” flood into the forums after reading these articles, and think theyre the shit.
I dont think anyone on this forum has a problem with people that dont want to get “huge” but want to add some mass, so ask questions, read posts from bodybuilders and implement it into their training.
What people on here DONT like is when these scrawny guys add 20lbs and think they can tell experienced guys how to train, and start handing out advice themselves.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
This is a bodybuilding forum you deluded tool. This guy isn’t big enough to win a figure contest even if you strapped a pair of silicone tits and a two piece on him.
EDIT
A good way to tell if you have suceeded or not is if you are being supported by dankid.
hahahahaha, nice edit.[/quote]
Indeed.
Going back to the topic…
To OP - This is going to be long (like your messages LOL)
Yes leanness is PART of bodybuilding, but loosing fat is only so that you can show off the LARGE amounts of muscle that you’ve gained. Loosing fat is easier than building muscle, so naturally, you should consider the muscle part more-so.
Many of these guys on here may be in their teens as regards body-fat (e.g. 18%), but when they want to, they can loose that in a matter of months (adding cardio, lowering cals etc.) Whereas they’ve spent YEARS gaining the muscle and getting really strong.
I don’t want to beat that subject up too much because it’s a really obvious one. The take home message for you is not to be worried about your abs getting covered (within reason) because it’s very difficult to add decent amounts of muscle on the calorie intake you are probably on (to stay lean). I’m guessing that you don’t eat more than 2000 cals if you’re honest and calculate accurately? I used to be in the same shoes as you (at 19 years old and 6feet tall, I was a whopping 130lbs!). I used to think that I ate like a horse. I used to concentrate on arm and chest measurements without worrying whether the scale was even budging.
If the scale isn’t moving by at least 1bs every 2 weeks at your stage, you aren’t eating enough…period. If you are gaining fat and no muscle, at least you know you are eating enough (but your trainig probably sucks). If you are gaining fat and muscle, you’re eating enough. If the scale isn’t moving…you’re NOT eating enough for YOU. It doesn’t matter whether you’re eating more than the obese person next to you, if you’re bodyweight isn’t going up, you aren’t putting enough in. It’s hard to eat allot when you have a small stomach, so substitute solid meals for liquid ones, for example, banana/cream/powdered milk/peanut butter…you get the message? You could eat 2 large solid meals per day (healthy ones), and 3 liquid ones. You look like you don’t have a problem with bodyfat, so, you can probably gain muscle at a relatively lower bodyfat level than most people (like myself). Aim to gain muscle around the 8-12% bodyfat level. You are probably under 6% bodyfat looking at your pic (what I used to be when I “went around in circles”). It would only take about 3 months to get back down to your leanness when at 12% boddyfat (when you want to).
I used to think that I’d reached my genetic potential at 170lbs! LOL. Just like you, I’d gained about 30lbs and because I’d been at that weight/size (still bony elbows, collar bone sticking out etc.) for so long, I thought THAT was just how it was meant to be. DON’T put a limmit on your natural gains - you still have a manageable 30-40lbs you could make naturally…easy.
As regards training routines, don’t spend your time switching routines and looking for that magical routine. At your stage, it’s NOT complicated (eat and lift more). You look pretty well balanced (except for chest as you admitted), which says to me that you probably are doing too many isolation exercises (which is too early). All you need to concentrate on is the big 5, namely:
Squat
Deadlift (or variants)
Pullup/down/Chinup
Military press
Bench press
If you aren’t getting stronger on these exercises (only 2, maybe even one exercise per bodypart), you’re making your routine needlessly complicated (volume too high), or not eating enough. I’m going to break the rules here and say that you should be adding about 3 to 5lbs or nearest (I use kg’s so not sure what increments are in pounds that you use) to each lift every week (5lbs for lower body). Many would criticize me for putting a number to your gains, but it’s to give you an idea of what sort of progress you should be looking for (about 2% increase on each lift each time you do the lift). Once you progress more, this 2% rule will evolve into a 1% rule. Once beyond that, this % rule becomes very individual.
This rule that I stated above is how you know what frequency to use when training (i.e. training split/routine). Let your strength gains determine how often to train a muscle. So say for example, you are gaining 2-5lbs each time you lift 3 times a week in the squat, then that’s the right frequency for you. The stronger you get, the more recovery is needed for the stimulus. So if you used to be able to push 175lbs for reps on squats, 3 times per week, when you get to 200lbs for reps on squats, you may only be able to do that 2 times per week (more muscle is stimulated with higher weights and therefore need more recovery). Then when you progress to 220lbs for reps, you probably will need at least 4 days in-between squat workouts.
Stick with the full body routine UNTIL your gains in strength start to stagnate. Then maybe switch to an Upper/Lower routine (e.g. alternating upper/lower Mon/Wed/Fri). Then to a 3 way. Not many need beyond this for decent size gains.
I’m going to stop there before this turns into a book…but I’m pretty sure others won’t disagree much with the general gist of this post - in which case - take it on board 
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
joe shumsky wrote:
and another thing, i believe it was professor x that asked a question about “abs” and “lean-ness” and why people would be so concerned about it on a bodybuilding forum… correct me if i’m wrong, but lean-ness is half of the bodybuilding holy grail, no?
No.
That would be like saying that half of hitting a home run is running the last 10 feet to the plate.
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Exactly. OP, getting lean is is such a small part of the equation. Getting huge takes YEARS. Getting lean thereafter takes months. Years > months.
Not only that, but the bigger you get, the easier and quicker it will be to get your precious abs back.
What the fuck does level of leanness have to do with TBT? That’s far more related to diet than training methodology.
TBT, Splits. I don’t care what you do, OP.
BUT… and I can’t believe I of all people am saying this… but OP, you need a haircut. That shit looks like a fucking helmet.
Once we get the “worst of T-Nation” thread rolling, we can all rest in peace. Direct noobs to the “best” and then the “worst” know who are the forum fools? good!!!..off ya go.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
A good way to tell if you have suceeded or not is if you are being supported by dankid. [/quote]
[quote]red04 wrote:
Dankid is like one of those dudes on the fatty forums, except the opposite end of the spectrum. NAH DUDE YOU LOOK FUCKIN SWOLE, DROP 5 MORE POUNDS THOUGH CAUSE YOU STILL CAN’T SEE YOUR FULL 6 PACK AND I DON’T SEE STRIATIONS IN YOUR NONEXISTENT DELTS AND CHEST. YOU EARNED THAT PIECE OF LETTUCE BRO, EAT IT UP.[/quote]
Learn to fucking think for yourself. I was never anywhere encouraging the OP to try to lose weight or go for more “cuts” I suggested he keep doing what he’s doing and eat more… Im sorry if you are too retarded like the rest of the people here to see how this will work. Remove the plug from your ass and toss it along to the next loser.
Mods, please move thread here: http://figureathlete.tmuscle.com/ as it seems the OP’s goals are more inline with that content.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Antares wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PS to PX: I have read your posts before PX, and this not a dig or nothing on you.
I just hate the term ‘fitness’ and or ‘fit.’ To vague, drives me nucking futz. BTW ‘Strongman’ is horrible too ( Strongmen are cool though! ), isn’t every half-way-decent-and-beyond-weight-trainee a ‘strong man?’
Again, ‘fit for fucking what man?!’
You thought I disagreed with you? Tim basically stated that he didn’t want a “fitness forum” on the site because he was trying to move away from that “functional” mentality. It appears many here still haven’t gotten the memo.
I used the term because what else do you call people who claim to lift weights for several years but are still weaker than the average regular serious gym goer and who have little to show for all of that time and effort other than abs?
Trust me, it used to be worse here with every other newbie logging in claiming that “bodybuilding” now meant whatever they wanted it to mean…which justified their 15" arms after 8 years of lifting.
I personally would feel like a fucking failure if I spent half a decade or more in the gym and all I had to show for it was a body that no one could tell was even trained if I wore anything heavier than a size medium tee-shirt.[/quote]
I apologize, for underestimating your language comprehension.
I tend to have ‘bad luck’ with words, so can be apologetic when it’s not called for.
Maybe I am doing that now? Fuck?!
I haven’t been that far into the archives, but I guess I am fortunate to be here now…And I don’t believe it is possible to still have High School arms after 8 years of lifting…
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Once we get the “worst of T-Nation” thread rolling, we can all rest in peace. Direct noobs to the “best” and then the “worst” know who are the forum fools? good!!!..off ya go.
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So, what’s keeping you? Type it up already.
Then again, I can see how it would require a lot of time. lol
Wow. Awesome thread!
[quote]dankid wrote:
red04 wrote:
Dankid is like one of those dudes on the fatty forums, except the opposite end of the spectrum. NAH DUDE YOU LOOK FUCKIN SWOLE, DROP 5 MORE POUNDS THOUGH CAUSE YOU STILL CAN’T SEE YOUR FULL 6 PACK AND I DON’T SEE STRIATIONS IN YOUR NONEXISTENT DELTS AND CHEST. YOU EARNED THAT PIECE OF LETTUCE BRO, EAT IT UP.
Learn to fucking think for yourself. I was never anywhere encouraging the OP to try to lose weight or go for more “cuts” I suggested he keep doing what he’s doing and eat more… Im sorry if you are too retarded like the rest of the people here to see how this will work. Remove the plug from your ass and toss it along to the next loser.[/quote]
All you do is talk shit about this board, its membership and this company both on this board and other boards.
Why don’t you just leave already?
[quote]dankid wrote:
red04 wrote:
Dankid is like one of those dudes on the fatty forums, except the opposite end of the spectrum. NAH DUDE YOU LOOK FUCKIN SWOLE, DROP 5 MORE POUNDS THOUGH CAUSE YOU STILL CAN’T SEE YOUR FULL 6 PACK AND I DON’T SEE STRIATIONS IN YOUR NONEXISTENT DELTS AND CHEST. YOU EARNED THAT PIECE OF LETTUCE BRO, EAT IT UP.
Learn to fucking think for yourself. I was never anywhere encouraging the OP to try to lose weight or go for more “cuts” I suggested he keep doing what he’s doing and eat more… Im sorry if you are too retarded like the rest of the people here to see how this will work. Remove the plug from your ass and toss it along to the next loser.[/quote]