If I find a natural clean fruit juice is there anything wrong with having it instead of raw fruit?
Also, should fruit be saved for pwo meals or meals with carbs becuase of the sugars?
[quote]P1 wrote:
If I find a natural clean fruit juice is there anything wrong with having it instead of raw fruit?
Also, should fruit be saved for pwo meals or meals with carbs becuase of the sugars?[/quote]
I don’t know what you mean by ‘natural clean fruit juice’ but most juices are pasteurized and therefore less nutritious. If that’s what you’re worried about.
And why do you differentiate post-workout and carbs? You want to get as much carbs as possible after a workout, along with some protein.
To clear my question up what I want to know is why is fruit juice not recommended when fruits are?
Fruit has a lot of fiber and fills you up better than juice. Also, a lot of the nutrients in different fruits are found in or near the skin, so they won’t make it into the juice.
However, I would recommend fruit juice to a so called hard-gainer who is having trouble getting enough calories. Like if you’re 16 years old, 6’3" and 150 pounds soaking wet, by all means, drink some fruit juice.
Because generally you dont get all the fiber etc from the fruit and many of the nutrients they are discarded in a pulp
Phill
[quote]P1 wrote:
To clear my question up what I want to know is why is fruit juice not recommended when fruits are?
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Remember, 99% of the nutritional information out there is for people who are trying to lose weight. If you are trying to gain weight, don’t worry about it.
[quote]P1 wrote:
To clear my question up what I want to know is why is fruit juice not recommended when fruits are?
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This is what is meant when people say many of you focus on specifics to your own detriment. There is nothing wrong with fruit juice. Someone getting ready for a competition would avoid it because of the simple sugars.
Someone dieting may hold back on it because of the same and the caloric content. Some guy with a fast metabolism trying to gain shouldn’t be worried about it.
There are very few rules that apply to ALL people at ALL times.
Past that, why are you only eating carbs at “some meals”?
[quote]Phill wrote:
Because generally you dont get all the fiber etc from the fruit and many of the nutrients they are discarded in a pulp
Phill[/quote]
That alone doesn’t make juice “bad” and that needs to be made clear. You can get fiber from several other sources better than fruit.
I think that…
Fruits generally are slower to digest due to the structure of the fruit itself.
It’s also hard to guess whether the juice you have will contain all the phytonutrients found in fruit.
Commercial juices may also be sweetened or concentrated as well.
However, if you are looking at the nutrient profile and it fits your goals, then do what you want.
I have known skinny dues who drank fruit juice and (gasp!) Kool Aid as if it were water. Go watch a bunch of cross-country runners and see how they eat/drink. If I drink such stuff, I get fat. Others can drink it just fine. Know your body and what you can ingest.
There is no such thing as a “bad” food. There is no such thing as a “bad” food. There is no such thing as a “bad” food.
I even think the fear over transfats is overblown for someone who actually trains regularly and doesn’t overdo it.
Remember when everyone was saying coconut oil was poison? Now people are saying coconut oil is full of goodness.
While I don’t think anyone will find health benefits to transfat, I don’t think eating a few Oreos every now and then is going to have any real-world impact on anyone.
In fact, I would posit that the cortisol created by worrying about bogeymen is actually more detrimental to one’s health and training than drinking some O.J. and eating a few Oreos.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Phill wrote:
Because generally you dont get all the fiber etc from the fruit and many of the nutrients they are discarded in a pulp
Phill
That alone doesn’t make juice “bad” and that needs to be made clear. You can get fiber from several other sources better than fruit.[/quote]
Yhea i agree just answering the “why” question. Thats why generally fruit itself is seen as a better option
Phill
fruits come in their own packaging. fruit juices come in plastic or cardboard which makes them gay.
There is nothing wrong with a glass or two of fresh fruit juice. Obviously, if you’re competing or cutting, it wouldn’t be smart to drink too much. Juicing a piece of fruit or two with vegetable juice is not enough to produce a violent insulin spike. It takes much more fructose to do so.
This, however, applies to juicing for me, since most processed juice is pasteurized and added with refined sugar.
There are times when I juice a few pieces of fruit with my vegetables every day when I’m too not busy.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I have known skinny dues who drank fruit juice and (gasp!) Kool Aid as if it were water. Go watch a bunch of cross-country runners and see how they eat/drink. If I drink such stuff, I get fat. Others can drink it just fine. Know your body and what you can ingest.
There is no such thing as a “bad” food. There is no such thing as a “bad” food. There is no such thing as a “bad” food.
I even think the fear over transfats is overblown for someone who actually trains regularly and doesn’t overdo it.
Remember when everyone was saying coconut oil was poison? Now people are saying coconut oil is full of goodness.
While I don’t think anyone will find health benefits to transfat, I don’t think eating a few Oreos every now and then is going to have any real-world impact on anyone.
In fact, I would posit that the cortisol created by worrying about bogeymen is actually more detrimental to one’s health and training than drinking some O.J. and eating a few Oreos.[/quote]
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Cool Aid isn’t real fruit juice
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No one on here ever said eating a few Oreo cookies every “now and then” will set you up for every disease imaginable to man
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
- Cool Aid isn’t real fruit juice
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Water. Sugar. Purple.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
- Cool Aid isn’t real fruit juice[/quote]
Thanks for the “education.” Now I will educate you. Here is what I wrote: “I have known skinny dues who drank fruit juice and (gasp!) Kool Aid as if it were water.”
Pay special attention to the parenthetical. (That’s the word inside the parenthesis.) It reads: “gasp!” - which indicates that whatever I am about to write is worse than what preceded it.
Here is what I would have written if I had known a kindergartener had access to the Internet: “I have known skinny dudes who drank fruit juice and - even worse - Kool Aid.” As Kool Aid would be an “even worse” substance, one could only reasonably infer that Kool Aid is something different from fruit juice. Do you understand why? I didn’t think so.
Something cannot be worse than what it is. For example, A (whatever A might symbolize) cannot be worse than A. Why not? Because A is A. Worse requires a judgment rendered after a comparison. You can’t compare identical subjects. (Similarly, you can’t say: “1 is greater than 1.”)
Now, I realize that the “gasp!” was sarcastic. But even so, “gasp!” could only be read as a word comparing two different substances. So I might say (while rolling my eyes): “Fruit juice is bad, but Kool Aid is worse.” So even though, through the use of sarcasm, I would really be saying that neither fruit juice nor Kool Aid is bad, a reasonable person could still only infer that Kool Aid was something different from fruit juice.
Thus ends the lecture.
I miss koolaid… so good! even better than soda =o
[quote]P1 wrote:
If I find a natural clean fruit juice is there anything wrong with having it instead of raw fruit?
Also, should fruit be saved for pwo meals or meals with carbs becuase of the sugars?[/quote]
If you were going with fruit juices, consume them PWO for the insulin spike and go with the more ORAC packed juices (e.g Pomegranite juice, Acai Juice, Mangosteen, etc if you can)
Remember to check the ingredients list, not the nutritional facts panel, to check for added sugar or one of its forms. If it isn’t one of the main ingredients then have at it, though eating the whole fruit is healthier in most instances due to the fiber, phytochemicals, and other nutrients.
Although in some instances, such as the case with pomegranates, it is just easier to consume the juice than have to mess with the time and expense of prepping the actual fruit.