[quote]eic wrote:
actionjeff wrote:
I agree. We should use low-bar parallel squats to shift the focus to the posterior chain. I mean, the pulls already hit the quads. Why would you use a squat with a full, movement-specific range of motion that fully emphasizes the explosive power of the quads… I mean they only explosively contract against a maximal load FOUR times in the clean and jerk!
And It’s not like weightlifters can do things like, RDLs, and good mornings, and other movement-specific posterior chain movements. Gotta watch out for that Hamstring imbalance.
Man, if only Rippetoe trained the top USA weightlifters, we’d be back on the podium in every weight class!
Seriously, has he ever trained an Olympic caliber lifter in his life? Has he ever actually tried Olympic lifting regularly while deadlifting and doing heavy parallel low-bar squats? It’s called a heavy Snatch pull. Entire back, hamstrings, quads, traps, hips, calves, abs, grip- completely torched. Enjoy.
I’m just so sick of this Rippetoe BS being rehashed over and over like it’s actually relevant to weightlifting or based on ANYTHING, and it’s always by people who don’t actually Olympic lift.
Whoa! You got some issues, kid. I get the sense that you have not trained the olympic lifts in a serious capacity before, so your comments can largely be ignored. Regardless, the low-bar back squat that Rippetoe advocates is NOT the same squat style as that used for box squats by the Westside lifters.
It still allows plenty of stimulation for the quads, but permits a more acute hip angle, which more closely mirrors the hip angle for the classic lifts. This is pretty simple stuff, really.
And bashing Rippetoe would make sense if American lifters were dominating on the world stage by doing tons of them. But the fact is that American weightlifting is not dominating other countries.
That said, Mike Burgener has single handedly coached up a bunch of relatively successful lifters on the international
stage and he is good friends with . . . you guessed it, Mark Rippetoe. [/quote]
My comments should be ignored? Do you compete in a “serious level” in Olympic Weightlifting? How many people do you think are or ever have been competitive lifters on an international level on this forum?
There’s one thread on Olympic weightlifting that has longevity, and a handful of posters. Should they be the only people allowed to talk? Maybe you should think before you tell people they should “be ignored” because their opinions are different than yours. I’m seriously not trying to be a dick and I apologize if my OP came off that way, so let’s disagree civilly.
IMO your responses don’t address any of the issues of training the low-bar squat as an olympic lifter or fact as far as how the top lifters have historically trained.
"It still allows plenty of stimulation for the quads, but permits a more acute hip angle, which more closely mirrors the hip angle for the classic lifts. This is pretty simple stuff, really. "
The same level of stimulation as the classical full squat? Does it build the same level of explosive strength of the legs, as used in the pulls, as the back squats that lifters have historically done, and do you have any supporting evidence for such a statement?
Because as far as I know literally every single top weightlifter from every country has used full front and/or back squats and none anything resembling a Rippetoe squat as a mainstay in their training. If this Rippetoe recommended training method made any sense at all, people would be using it by now!
mirroring the acute hip angle of the lifts… what is the relevance here?? Pulls mirror the hip angle of the lifts, in fact they are the same movement!
Other assistance lifts like the Romanian Dead Lift and Olympic Good Morning can be used to mimic the exact motion of the pulls and train the explosive strength of specific parts of the movement.
Another huge factor is programming: Nearly all lifters train very frequently and do squats and assistance after the lifts/pulls. The glute and quad dominant full squat is the perfect assistance exercise and fits into programming easily. They are less CNS intensive than the squats Rippetoe recommends.
Doing a heavy squat that heavily emphasizes the posterior chain after pulls is dangerous and overtrains the muscles of both the upper back and traps and posterior chain that are heavily involved in the pulls.
I don’t mean to like, speak out of my place and start a shitstorm, and yeah I’m certainly not a veteran lifter (but I do O-lift), but I’m completely, 100% sure I’m right and I’m not gonna have some Rippetoe fan call me out and tell me my response should be “disregarded”