[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
maybe I’m missing something but what I didn’t like about the movie was that they basically said throughout it that meat was bad for you and carcinogenic, yet the only studies they ever did was on casein and milk products right?[/quote]
I watched it a couple weeks ago so it isn’t completely fresh in my mind, but they researched people’s meat consumption in different regions of Asia and found that the ones with higher meat consumption had higher cancer rates.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
BUMP!
been “animal protein” free for 1 week now. lost about 8lbs. numbers in the gym are going up after a 6 week layoff.
just sayin’, you wont shrivel up and die on 50g of plant protein per day.
EDIT: i do plan on upping the protein to ~100g with a vegan protein powder[/quote]
Out of curiosity, did you compensate the reduction in calories from animal protein with other calorie sources? If not, the losing 8 lbs is from the reduction in calories more so than “no animal protein”.
Also, I know for sure if I took 6 weeks off and then went back, my numbers would be increasing as well, regardless of how I was eating. This would simply be because my numbers had dropped from where they were before the break and were climbing back up.
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if anything im eating more food now than i was before. probably 400g of carbs a day. under 40g of fat and around 50-60g of protein. lots of rice, beans, lentils, nuts, etc. to compensate for missing calories from animal protein.
understood numbers would go up after a 6 week layoff. im saying they ARE going up even though there is a “lack of” animal protein to repair and rebuild muscle tissue after hard workouts.
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That sounds awful, good luck I guess.
How much do you weigh btw? 40g of fat is way way low[/quote]
about 220 right now. for a long time i followed certain members’ advice about bulking. you know, eat a ton of food cause “nobody got big eating salad”. lots, and lots of meat and fat and carbs. lots of cheeseburgers.
want to get back down to 190-200. i dont know how much fat the body truly needs to be healthy, but i feel fine on 40g. maybe ill up it a bit higher. but from the “forks over knives” video the real message is FAT GON KILL YOU! lol.[/quote]
and that message is horribly horribly wrong. Anyways, I thought the overall message was animal foods will kill you 
How ANYONE can buy into the belief that eating animals causes health problems (generally speaking) based upon human history, observations from the past 8 or so decades of hunter-gatherer societies and recent nutritional studies (not relying on just bullshit epidemiological studies) is beyond me.
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ive been reading a bunch of stuff lately that says all hunter gatherers ate were plants, fruits and veggies in season, nuts, and once every 2 months probably had one “big kill” where the whole tribe ate got to meat until it was gone.
its interesting to see all the conflicting views.[/quote]
That can be correct depending upon the tribe and location. You think Eskinos ever ate like that
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hah. on a few vegan sites they pointed out studies that suggest all eskimos had heart disease. you see how all the studies can get twisted to suit that persons viewpoint.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
BUMP!
been “animal protein” free for 1 week now. lost about 8lbs. numbers in the gym are going up after a 6 week layoff.
just sayin’, you wont shrivel up and die on 50g of plant protein per day.
EDIT: i do plan on upping the protein to ~100g with a vegan protein powder[/quote]
Out of curiosity, did you compensate the reduction in calories from animal protein with other calorie sources? If not, the losing 8 lbs is from the reduction in calories more so than “no animal protein”.
Also, I know for sure if I took 6 weeks off and then went back, my numbers would be increasing as well, regardless of how I was eating. This would simply be because my numbers had dropped from where they were before the break and were climbing back up.
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if anything im eating more food now than i was before. probably 400g of carbs a day. under 40g of fat and around 50-60g of protein. lots of rice, beans, lentils, nuts, etc. to compensate for missing calories from animal protein.
understood numbers would go up after a 6 week layoff. im saying they ARE going up even though there is a “lack of” animal protein to repair and rebuild muscle tissue after hard workouts.
[/quote]
That sounds awful, good luck I guess.
How much do you weigh btw? 40g of fat is way way low[/quote]
about 220 right now. for a long time i followed certain members’ advice about bulking. you know, eat a ton of food cause “nobody got big eating salad”. lots, and lots of meat and fat and carbs. lots of cheeseburgers.
want to get back down to 190-200. i dont know how much fat the body truly needs to be healthy, but i feel fine on 40g. maybe ill up it a bit higher. but from the “forks over knives” video the real message is FAT GON KILL YOU! lol.[/quote]
and that message is horribly horribly wrong. Anyways, I thought the overall message was animal foods will kill you
How ANYONE can buy into the belief that eating animals causes health problems (generally speaking) based upon human history, observations from the past 8 or so decades of hunter-gatherer societies and recent nutritional studies (not relying on just bullshit epidemiological studies) is beyond me.
[/quote]
ive been reading a bunch of stuff lately that says all hunter gatherers ate were plants, fruits and veggies in season, nuts, and once every 2 months probably had one “big kill” where the whole tribe ate got to meat until it was gone.
its interesting to see all the conflicting views.[/quote]
That can be correct depending upon the tribe and location. You think Eskinos ever ate like that
[/quote]
hah. on a few vegan sites they pointed out studies that suggest all eskimos had heart disease. you see how all the studies can get twisted to suit that persons viewpoint.[/quote]
correct. Or… we could just ask a 70 yr old (people I work with), what their parents ate and how many people they knew when they grew up that were obese, T2 diabetic, had cancer or Alz, good luck seeing many hands raise. Yet you look around at this age group now and they are riddled with disease. Something has changed, and it ain’t meat consumption, maybe the quality of meat, but it ain’t the meat.
[quote]Grid Iron wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
maybe I’m missing something but what I didn’t like about the movie was that they basically said throughout it that meat was bad for you and carcinogenic, yet the only studies they ever did was on casein and milk products right?[/quote]
I watched it a couple weeks ago so it isn’t completely fresh in my mind, but they researched people’s meat consumption in different regions of Asia and found that the ones with higher meat consumption had higher cancer rates.
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Correct, however please google “observational study” and see why this is complete BS to blame cancer on meat consumption from an observational study. Too many other factors, btw you know what had the highest correlated risk of dying by consuming it? Wheat, yeah, funny how the China Study doesn’t harp on that.
JF, this one is for you! i lol’d
The only way meat can be digested is by putrefaction, our stomach acid is only 5% of that of a carnivore or omnivore so instead of being digested it basicly [sic] rots in your intestines which leaves toxic gases and waste to be absorbed into the blood. (From here. http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5332&sid=11ff246ff51c29b8e0676a7a8f6cd2ae)
we know what?s happening. we?ve known for decades. however, we also have found that when we talk about the health detriments associated with eating the products of the corpse industries, people don?t believe us. (From here. HOME - The Frugivore Diet)
[T]here is a single, sole cause to heart disease: cholesterol. If your total cholesterol is below 150 and LDL is below 70, you are essentially heart attack proof. What is the cause of high cholesterol? Saturated fat and animal products. (From here. HOME - The Frugivore Diet)
No, cholesterol is not the “sole” cause for heart disease, or really even a big part at all. Inflammation is the main cause for heart disease, which just so happens to raise cholesterol which is attempting to heal the body.
Meat is one of the easiest things for the body to digest. Thats the reason why not much comes out the other end…not because its rotting. Having lots of bowel movements is actually not that good. It means your body is rejecting what you’re putting in it. For me, lots of raw veggies seem to go right through me.
Also, why would you take the 30bananas guy seriously?..
[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
No, cholesterol is not the “sole” cause for heart disease, or really even a big part at all. Inflammation is the main cause for heart disease, which just so happens to raise cholesterol which is attempting to heal the body.
Meat is one of the easiest things for the body to digest. Thats the reason why not much comes out the other end…not because its rotting. Having lots of bowel movements is actually not that good. It means your body is rejecting what you’re putting in it. For me, lots of raw veggies seem to go right through me.
Also, why would you take the 30bananas guy seriously?..[/quote]
everything you said seems to be true from recent studies. i dont take the banana guy seriously, it was just a link on denise mingers site.
i caved this morning and had 2 eggs fried in coconut oil, with a side of 1 thin slice of hearty whole grain bread with real butter. plant based diet can kiss my ass.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
JF, this one is for you! i lol’d
The only way meat can be digested is by putrefaction, our stomach acid is only 5% of that of a carnivore or omnivore so instead of being digested it basicly [sic] rots in your intestines which leaves toxic gases and waste to be absorbed into the blood. (From here. http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5332&sid=11ff246ff51c29b8e0676a7a8f6cd2ae)
we know what?s happening. we?ve known for decades. however, we also have found that when we talk about the health detriments associated with eating the products of the corpse industries, people don?t believe us. (From here. HOME - The Frugivore Diet)
[T]here is a single, sole cause to heart disease: cholesterol. If your total cholesterol is below 150 and LDL is below 70, you are essentially heart attack proof. What is the cause of high cholesterol? Saturated fat and animal products. (From here. HOME - The Frugivore Diet)[/quote]
Of course, we know how evil SFA and cholesterol are… right LOL
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
i caved this morning and had 2 eggs fried in coconut oil, with a side of 1 thin slice of hearty whole grain bread with real butter. plant based diet can kiss my ass.[/quote]
lol, sometimes you gotta listen to what your body wants
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
No, cholesterol is not the “sole” cause for heart disease, or really even a big part at all. Inflammation is the main cause for heart disease, which just so happens to raise cholesterol which is attempting to heal the body.
Meat is one of the easiest things for the body to digest. Thats the reason why not much comes out the other end…not because its rotting. Having lots of bowel movements is actually not that good. It means your body is rejecting what you’re putting in it. For me, lots of raw veggies seem to go right through me.
Also, why would you take the 30bananas guy seriously?..[/quote]
everything you said seems to be true from recent studies. i dont take the banana guy seriously, it was just a link on denise mingers site.[/quote]
Durian Rider pisses me off, what a fucking cunt that guy is.
for anybody interested. i found a 5 part debate from 2002 of taubes vs ornish, with dr oz as the moderator LOL
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
No, cholesterol is not the “sole” cause for heart disease, or really even a big part at all. Inflammation is the main cause for heart disease, which just so happens to raise cholesterol which is attempting to heal the body.
Meat is one of the easiest things for the body to digest. Thats the reason why not much comes out the other end…not because its rotting. Having lots of bowel movements is actually not that good. It means your body is rejecting what you’re putting in it. For me, lots of raw veggies seem to go right through me.
Also, why would you take the 30bananas guy seriously?..[/quote]
everything you said seems to be true from recent studies. i dont take the banana guy seriously, it was just a link on denise mingers site.[/quote]
Durian Rider pisses me off, what a fucking cunt that guy is.[/quote]
yea, i dislike him very, very much. such a cocky prick.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
for anybody interested. i found a 5 part debate from 2002 of taubes vs ornish, with dr oz as the moderator LOL
Ornish is another prick with a smug view, then again, guess I do too. Loved that interview btw
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
for anybody interested. i found a 5 part debate from 2002 of taubes vs ornish, with dr oz as the moderator LOL
Ornish is another prick with a smug view, then again, guess I do too. Loved that interview btw[/quote]
at the end of the day, it seems like ornish and the AHA lady are trying to ingrain the fact that everything = calories in vs calories out for weight loss. they think people are stupid enough to lower fat and think they can eat simple carbs. her example…who in their right mind would lower their fat but think its okay to eat an entiments cupcake LOL.
taubes on the other hand pushes the insulin argument.
quite interesting.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
at the end of the day, it seems like ornish and the AHA lady are trying to ingrain the fact that everything = calories in vs calories out for weight loss.[/quote]
Do you not think that it really IS just that simple for “weight” loss?
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
at the end of the day, it seems like ornish and the AHA lady are trying to ingrain the fact that everything = calories in vs calories out for weight loss.[/quote]
Do you not think that it really IS just that simple for “weight” loss?[/quote]
Do you think long-term it’s as simple as that? I have my doubts. Of course there’s teh fact most people regain the weight they lose when restricting calories, but is it cause of calorie restriction or falling back into old habits, while I think it’s the latter, there’s something to be said of why calorie restriction will not work long-term.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
No, cholesterol is not the “sole” cause for heart disease, or really even a big part at all. Inflammation is the main cause for heart disease, which just so happens to raise cholesterol which is attempting to heal the body.
Meat is one of the easiest things for the body to digest. Thats the reason why not much comes out the other end…not because its rotting. Having lots of bowel movements is actually not that good. It means your body is rejecting what you’re putting in it. For me, lots of raw veggies seem to go right through me.
Also, why would you take the 30bananas guy seriously?..[/quote]
everything you said seems to be true from recent studies. i dont take the banana guy seriously, it was just a link on denise mingers site.[/quote]
Oops, my bad…Have a good day sir!
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
at the end of the day, it seems like ornish and the AHA lady are trying to ingrain the fact that everything = calories in vs calories out for weight loss.[/quote]
Do you not think that it really IS just that simple for “weight” loss?[/quote]
ive never been “lean” or in single digit body fat. so i have no idea how to lose “weight”. im still figuring my body out.
taubes vs oz again