part 2 gets pretty heated when jillian comes on lol!
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Do you think long-term it’s as simple as that? I have my doubts. Of course there’s teh fact most people regain the weight they lose when restricting calories, but is it cause of calorie restriction or falling back into old habits, while I think it’s the latter, there’s something to be said of why calorie restriction will not work long-term.[/quote]
I would imagine it most often has to do with the fact that, for the average American, the word “diet” is synonymous with “temporary suckiness” rather than “lifestyle modification”. I imagine that most people yo-yo dieters continually fail because they operate under the misapprehension that their journey ends once the scale reads a certain value. They can endure the “temporary suckiness” for a 1, 2, 3 months because at the end of it they will be able to “eat normally” again… without understanding that their interpretation of “normal” eating habits are what screwed them in the first place.
This is why diets that facilitate weight loss through basic, common sense concepts (portion control, intelligent food choices, etc) typically do better than the “crash” diets that force people to live off of 800 calories of broccoli and pine cone shakes for a few months and then… well, that’s it. This group never really learns the practical means by which to continue their efforts in the long-term.
Of course, that approach is very appealing to some, not just because of the magical promises but also because the hunger pangs and general crankiness go hand-in-hand with the “no pain, no gain” concept many believe in. Because if you aren’t suffering, you just aren’t trying hard enough… and the more it hurts, the better it must be.
I would argue that the secret to keeping the weight off, once it is lost, is found in reinforcing the concept that continued success does NOT have to equal suffering, deprivation or gustatory martyrdom. A “weight loss” diet is OK as long as their are definite plans in place for an intelligent, long-term, “lifestyle” diet once that phase ends.
This all goes for the exercise bit, too. I would bet that most yo-yo dieters are able to kill it for 2 - 3 months in the gym alongside their Spartan diet only to drastically reduce frequency/intensity once their goal is achieved.
Taubes: You literally need carbohydrates to store excess fat.
Can someone who has read GCBC explain why this is?
[quote]anonym wrote:
Taubes: You literally need carbohydrates to store excess fat.
Can someone who has read GCBC explain why this is?[/quote]
Yeah, I don’t really recall his reasoning. My best guess is that he is trying to make a point, by being overly dramatic.
[quote]anonym wrote:
Taubes: You literally need carbohydrates to store excess fat.
Can someone who has read GCBC explain why this is?[/quote]
i havent read the book yet, its been sitting on my desk. but i would say its because he claims you get fat when insulin is elevated, and he says only carbohydrates can cause an insulin release.
i’ll deny or confirm that guess when i read GCBC.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
Taubes: You literally need carbohydrates to store excess fat.
Can someone who has read GCBC explain why this is?[/quote]
i havent read the book yet, its been sitting on my desk. but i would say its because he claims you get fat when insulin is elevated, and he says only carbohydrates can cause an insulin release.
i’ll deny or confirm that guess when i read GCBC.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure he knows that protein causes an insulin response, but what he’s getting at is the larger insulin response of CHO.
wannabebig, check out my new thread on the GAL forum, will tie into this thread
[quote]anonym wrote:
Taubes: You literally need carbohydrates to store excess fat.
Can someone who has read GCBC explain why this is?[/quote]
Yeah I would like to know his reasoning behind this. LITERALLY probably wasn’t the best word to use there. Something like you most likely need carbohydrates to store excess fat would make more sense. I doubt there are very many people on ketogenic diets getting fat, so I can see where his line of thinking is going, but as we know you could store fat with excess calories from fat and protein, most people just aren’t likely to overeat on those to macronutrients alone with out eating carbohydrates.
By the way, good discussion fellas. It was nice to see a debate about vegans and meat eaters without too much hating going on.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
Taubes: You literally need carbohydrates to store excess fat.
Can someone who has read GCBC explain why this is?[/quote]
i havent read the book yet, its been sitting on my desk. but i would say its because he claims you get fat when insulin is elevated, and he says only carbohydrates can cause an insulin release.
i’ll deny or confirm that guess when i read GCBC.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure he knows that protein causes an insulin response, but what he’s getting at is the larger insulin response of CHO.[/quote]
goes in depth about anonym’s question
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
wannabebig, check out my new thread on the GAL forum, will tie into this thread[/quote]
i tried watching the video but i cant get any sound. or is it a silent film? lol
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
goes in depth about anonym’s question[/quote]
Thanks for the link, man.
I wonder what Gary would say to the researchers here (http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/16/1/369) who placed the traditional Pima diet macros at" ~70-80% carbohydrate, 8-12% fat, and 12-18% protein," who concluded “the Pima Indian diet of the last century was much higher in carbohydrate and lower in fat compared with the modern-day Pima diet.”
Actually, quite a few studies suggest the same.
Part 2 is where is where he really goes into his “hypothesis”, for those interested. It’s a real hoot, but this thread isn’t the place to evaluate it.
(CrossFit founder looks like shit, btw)
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
goes in depth about anonym’s question[/quote]
(CrossFit founder looks like shit, btw)[/quote]
LOL, I was thinking the same.
Oh, and anonym, this is why I’m not a LC advocate for everyone 
to argue that everyone needs low-carb is foolish, just like people that argue everyone should be vegan, it means they’re ignoring tons of contradcitory evidence.
What I am an advocate of though, is instead of macros this macros that, is real unprocessed foods. This is the one thing every person/animal has had in common on the planet until the last 100 or so years. No matter the food amounts, macros, etc, real food.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
What I am an advocate of though, is instead of macros this macros that, is real unprocessed foods. This is the one thing every person/animal has had in common on the planet until the last 100 or so years. No matter the food amounts, macros, etc, real food.[/quote]
Agreed. While I’m sure most of us know at least one old person who is still sprightly despite living on a diet of Oreos, Marlboro reds and PBR, I think this is the one thing that can be safely recommended to just about anyone looking to stay healthy. Beyond that, it’s really a matter of individual variation and preference.
But, even so… I ain’t giving up my Cheez-Its without a fight.
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
What I am an advocate of though, is instead of macros this macros that, is real unprocessed foods. This is the one thing every person/animal has had in common on the planet until the last 100 or so years. No matter the food amounts, macros, etc, real food.[/quote]
Agreed. While I’m sure most of us know at least one old person who is still sprightly despite living on a diet of Oreos, Marlboro reds and PBR, I think this is the one thing that can be safely recommended to just about anyone looking to stay healthy. Beyond that, it’s really a matter of individual variation and preference.
But, even so… I ain’t giving up my Cheez-Its without a fight.[/quote]
they are fuckin good aren’t they though if I were to buy them, I’d at least get the trans-fat free (legit) ones… that said, I can’t buy a box to just keep in the house, cause it will be gone in 3 days… I might buy one if we go camping or some kind of road trip.