I can’t believe I have just read that.
I can’t believe I just watched that video.
Look guys, I joined tnation for the in your face masculinity not the gay erotica. Just not my thing.
If you are going to be naked with man boobs at least have the courtesy to wear pasties.
lmfao
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
of course you don’t have to lift heavy to gain muscle!
proof:
at first i thought they were implants!! thats disgusting…
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
of course you don’t have to lift heavy to gain muscle!
proof:
- YouTube [/quote]
He looks like a deformed mushroom. What the fuck is he doing??
There is are acouple bodybuilders at my gym, Mark Dugdale and Todd Jewell and they are both strong as shit.They are both also big and muscular.Dugdale is all over the web and in mags and Todd jewell is well on his way to going pro, he weighs around 280.
I have seen the biggest guy Ive ever seen in my life use weights I would warmup with and I have seen guys lift a ton.Everyones bodies adapt to different stimuli.
Low weight with high reps can fuck off.
Heavy weight with high reps is where it is at.
What a crock! Also, ditching all supplements and only drinking coffee? (That’s on his site as well). I admit, coffee does give you a caffeine buzz and make you shit but that’s about it.
I used to be all about the light weight/high reps. Being a rock climber I never lifted heavy because I didn’t want to gain weight since that’s just more to haul up the climbs and more strain on your fingers. I did light weight, body weight, and reps till failure on almost everything. Still, my bench remained a pathetic 135-150 at a body weight of 165…but I could pull off a V9 boulder no problem. It’s a different kind of strength.
I decided I wanted to get a bit bigger, so started lifting heavy, taking creatine and whey, and having a spotter as I worked out so I could lift as heavy as possible. Sure enough, a few months (oh 10 or something like that) of this and my bench was up to 225 and I was at 180lbs.
I also thought I read something on here about lactic acid being bad for muscle growth? maybe I saw it someplace else…I’ll stick with lifting heavy as possible for few reps, then make those reps go up.
Cheers!
reading this made me think of Ken Leistner. i’ve always wondered how a guy weighing 160 and looking as if he barely lifts weights can be so freaking strong, not to mention being natural and not even using supps? not trying to be a smart ass here just looking for the answer.
just in case you’ve never seen - 407 x 23
[quote]WP wrote:
Berserkergang wrote:
of course you don’t have to lift heavy to gain muscle!
proof:
He looks like a deformed mushroom. What the fuck is he doing??[/quote]
Synthol…
[quote]Krankphreak wrote:
What a crock! Also, ditching all supplements and only drinking coffee? (That’s on his site as well). I admit, coffee does give you a caffeine buzz and make you shit but that’s about it.
I used to be all about the light weight/high reps. Being a rock climber I never lifted heavy because I didn’t want to gain weight since that’s just more to haul up the climbs and more strain on your fingers. I did light weight, body weight, and reps till failure on almost everything. Still, my bench remained a pathetic 135-150 at a body weight of 165…but I could pull off a V9 boulder no problem. It’s a different kind of strength.
I decided I wanted to get a bit bigger, so started lifting heavy, taking creatine and whey, and having a spotter as I worked out so I could lift as heavy as possible. Sure enough, a few months (oh 10 or something like that) of this and my bench was up to 225 and I was at 180lbs.
I also thought I read something on here about lactic acid being bad for muscle growth? maybe I saw it someplace else…I’ll stick with lifting heavy as possible for few reps, then make those reps go up.
Cheers!
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But your view of heavy weights being “better” to gain weight is not really correct either. If anything, your training was backwards when you were rockclimbing. You can get stronger with low reps and not gain weight IF YOU DONT EAT IN EXCESS. It wasn’t the high reps that kept you light, just as it wasn’t the low reps that helped you gain weight. WEIGHT is all about calories in vs. calories out. MUSCLE gain is all about getting stronger. Whether that be for sets of 3 or sets of 15. Both CAN work, but most people will train 5-10, and occasionally go <5 and >10.
CALORIES IN VS. CALORIES OUT is what is going to effect WEIGHT more than anything else.
[quote]Przeminashell wrote:
reading this made me think of Ken Leistner. i’ve always wondered how a guy weighing 160 and looking as if he barely lifts weights can be so freaking strong, not to mention being natural and not even using supps? not trying to be a smart ass here just looking for the answer.
just in case you’ve never seen - 407 x 23
http://www.gridironincny.com/videos/flash/ken/ken.html[/quote]
That does bring up an interesting point. But also, I think it depends what you consider “strong” because I agree he’s strong, but its different than being able to do something like 800x1 (which maybe he can do). But doing a weight for 23 reps, changes requires a very different type of “strength” and very different physiology than doing a max of 1-5 reps.
There is a huge cardiovascular component, as well as muscular metabolic component. Im also sure that muscle fiber types would play a big role into this as well.
Still though, pretty suprising that he can do that and not look like he works out. Im wondering the exact reason as well.
Another thing I think about with this thread is this.
You will ocassionaly find a person that has a somewhat impressive muscular physique, but probably shouldn’t. They either dont exercise at all, or just play a sport, or just do pushups etc. Or maybe they follow the “worst” training program ever. But they are still pretty impressive.
Some will say, “they found what is right for them”. And while this is logical assumption, I think its incorrect. My opinion is that if you find a person that is muscular from just playing basketball, or maybe just doing pushups, they would have an incredible potential if they just followed a sound training program. Its their genetics that will allow them to develop a “impressive physique” off basically anything, but this is not impressive compared to their potential.
Having said all that, I think MOST people can pretty much assume that “heavy” weights in the 5-15 range for the most part will almost always be the best way to go. If you find someone that doesn’t focus on heavy weights and lifts exclusively for sets of 20+, I can almost guarantee you that they would progress pretty fast on a “normal” routine.
But the same isn’t true in reverse. If you take a person that has been training almost exclusively in the 5-15 range and has made good progress, and throw them on a light weight only or pushup only program, I doubt they will progress, and will likely fail miserably.
My opinion from this, is that more strength is always better, and heavy weights are pretty much synonymous with heavy weights. If you have the option to lift more, I dont know why anyone would ever choose not to?
[quote]Przeminashell wrote:
reading this made me think of Ken Leistner. i’ve always wondered how a guy weighing 160 and looking as if he barely lifts weights can be so freaking strong, not to mention being natural and not even using supps? not trying to be a smart ass here just looking for the answer.
just in case you’ve never seen - 407 x 23
http://www.gridironincny.com/videos/flash/ken/ken.html[/quote]
I hate to sound like a hater but I call bullshit on this lift.
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Przeminashell wrote:
reading this made me think of Ken Leistner. i’ve always wondered how a guy weighing 160 and looking as if he barely lifts weights can be so freaking strong, not to mention being natural and not even using supps? not trying to be a smart ass here just looking for the answer.
just in case you’ve never seen - 407 x 23
http://www.gridironincny.com/videos/flash/ken/ken.html
I hate to sound like a hater but I call bullshit on this lift.
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I second this, and I don’t care if you hate me, even when i squat 325lbs, the bar flexes like crazy across my back, here it doesn’t appear to even flex, I’m sorry this doesn’t appear to be the weight suggested, this clip looks like bullshit to me. In fact, it almost looks as if those plates were made on a 3d printer, laser sinterizing type. I bet they are either plastic spray painted, or aluminum alloy.
how about instead of writing a whole article of why it wont work, u tell us what to do to get bigger…dumbass
[quote]alit4 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
alit4 wrote:
what does this mean?
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i just can’t read posts full of this, don’t make sense and hurts my eyes. someone please explain.
It comes from copying and pasting from outside of T-Nation.
thanks.[/quote]
In the future, if any of you are going to cut and paste from a web page, you should first paste it into notepad, or any simple text editor so it will strip out the stray formatting characters and web page encoding, then copy and paste from the text editor into T-Nation. Hell, I can’t even be bothered reading thru this crap, my eyes are getting tired of it. The posts like this are everywhere, it looks like the poster has their tongue on the wrong side of their brain when they do this. Now you have no excuse!!!
[quote]-SuperMan- wrote:
I second this, and I don’t care if you hate me, even when I squat 325lbs, the bar flexes like crazy across my back, here it doesn’t appear to even flex, I’m sorry this doesn’t appear to be the weight suggested, this clip looks like bullshit to me. In fact, it almost looks as if those plates were made on a 3d printer, laser sinterizing type. I bet they are either plastic spray painted, or aluminum alloy.
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I was doing the same tonight, each rep the weights would bounce, plates clanged a little. Besides the last, each rep appeared to require the same effort.
[quote]-SuperMan- wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Przeminashell wrote:
reading this made me think of Ken Leistner. i’ve always wondered how a guy weighing 160 and looking as if he barely lifts weights can be so freaking strong, not to mention being natural and not even using supps? not trying to be a smart ass here just looking for the answer.
just in case you’ve never seen - 407 x 23
http://www.gridironincny.com/videos/flash/ken/ken.html
I hate to sound like a hater but I call bullshit on this lift.
I second this, and I don’t care if you hate me, even when i squat 325lbs, the bar flexes like crazy across my back, here it doesn’t appear to even flex, I’m sorry this doesn’t appear to be the weight suggested, this clip looks like bullshit to me. In fact, it almost looks as if those plates were made on a 3d printer, laser sinterizing type. I bet they are either plastic spray painted, or aluminum alloy.
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Different bars flex differently. At my gym we have some bars that flex a lot even at relatively light weights and we have some Eleiko PL bars that you have to load up quite a bit heavier before there’s any significant flex.
I have no idea whether Leistner’s squats are legit or not but just wanted to point that out.
What a fucking retard. From the list of supplements on his website that are supposedly useless:
“Valerian”
“St John’s Wart”
(The last not to be confused with st john’s wort, obviously)
4 steps to success:
- Look at Mariusz Pudzianowski (www.pudzian.pl). Guy lifts heavy.
- Read that article again.
- Delete article.
- Never talk about it again.
[quote]FirestormWarrior wrote:
4 steps to success:
- Look at Mariusz Pudzianowski (www.pudzian.pl). Guy lifts heavy.
- Read that article again.
- Delete article.
- Never talk about it again.[/quote]
This is classic!..