Train like there is no tomorrow. Pick a proven mass gaining program like 5X5, WS4SB, GVT, I don’t really care, just pick a program, and never take anything home with you. leave it all at the gym. Muscle failure is your friend.
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There are days I left with that feel of having energy to do more, but after 1.1/2 hour I have read is not good to continue. What is your opinion?
Train like there is no tomorrow. Pick a proven mass gaining program like 5X5, WS4SB, GVT, I don’t really care, just pick a program, and never take anything home with you. leave it all at the gym. Muscle failure is your friend.
There are days I left with that feel of having energy to do more, but after 1.1/2 hour I have read is not good to continue. What is your opinion?[/quote]
If you’re there for over an hour and a half, you’re not lifting intensely enough or talking too much. Hell, it could be both.
I’m ignoring all the political BS right now. What I think could also really help with weight gain is natural peanut butter. I finished a 4,300 calorie jar in 3 days in addition to the rest of the food I eat through the day without even realizing it.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
There are no clues. There is do and there is don’t. Just do it.
Honestly - you are trying to overthink something that requires very little thought, but a ton of both dedication and discipline. Neither of those two are a secret. It’s just sweat and determination to reach a goal.
Train like there is no tomorrow. Pick a proven mass gaining program like 5X5, WS4SB, GVT, I don’t really care, just pick a program, and never take anything home with you. leave it all at the gym. Muscle failure is your friend.
There are days I left with that feel of having energy to do more, but after 1.1/2 hour I have read is not good to continue. What is your opinion?
If you’re there for over an hour and a half, you’re not lifting intensely enough or talking too much. Hell, it could be both.[/quote]
No, I don’t talk. I have learn to be careful and keep my rest time very short: 15 seconds. It is not talking. I think that is intensity. There are times that I feel I could do one more set. And I do it. (Next day I feel the effect). But chat is not anymore. Remember: Stick to the plan. I need to take every minute. I go to the Gym when I go out from job, that is around 7pm, the gym close at 9pm. So i have no time to waste on chat.
[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
I’m ignoring all the political BS right now. What I think could also really help with weight gain is natural peanut butter. I finished a 4,300 calorie jar in 3 days in addition to the rest of the food I eat through the day without even realizing it. [/quote]
[quote]Short Hoss wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
My 2 cents. If your finances are in order, it is definitely possible to steer clear of fast food and get enough calories.
Not true for someone as poor as I am, so I have to tuck in the occassional hamburger/whopper/whatever (or three) and raid my roommate’s supplement stacks. I just step up the cardio and lift with intensity…trust me, it works.
It’s not just the financial side.
I know of no one who can get in 4500 calories clean. Do you realize how much food that is?[/quote]
depends on your definition of clean. I take in 4500-4800 a day of most whole foods (a fair share of protein powder though) :shrug:
I know of no one who can get in 4500 calories clean. Do you realize how much food that is?
jehovasfitness wrote:
depends on your definition of clean. I take in 4500-4800 a day of most whole foods (a fair share of protein powder though) :shrug:[/quote]
4500 cals is nothing.
A couple Tablespoons of of Olive Oil here, a few handfuls of nuts (walnuts, macadamias, etc) there, 1/4 of heavy cream in your protein shake is effortless.
1/4c Heavy cream ~100+ cals
EVOO 2 T = 240 cals
1/4c Walnuts (about a handful) = 200+ cals
Hell, that’s over 500 right there. You can blend all that in one 2 scoop Grow! Whey shake (240 cals) with water and you have 700 cals, overwhelmingly protein and good fats.
I love fast food burgers. Especially hardies thick burgers, but they are not needed as a staple to gain mass.
A tripple whopper with no cheese is 1130 calories
67g of protein
74g of fat
51g of carbs
1160 mg of sodium
If you made a meal at home using 2 cups of cooked rice and 3/4 lbs of 90% lean ground beef.
1008 calories
77g of protein
34g of fat
89g of carbs
227 mg of sodium
So to me the only benefit is the convenience, because that meal cooked at home is cheaper, less sodium, less fat, and less saturated fat.
[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
I love fast food burgers. Especially hardies thick burgers, but they are not needed as a staple to gain mass.
A tripple whopper with no cheese is 1130 calories
67g of protein
74g of fat
51g of carbs
1160 mg of sodium
If you made a meal at home using 2 cups of cooked rice and 3/4 lbs of 90% lean ground beef.
1008 calories
77g of protein
34g of fat
89g of carbs
227 mg of sodium
So to me the only benefit is the convenience, because that meal cooked at home is cheaper, less sodium, less fat, and less saturated fat.[/quote]
Convenience is the issue. I don’t know about you, but the bigger guys getting in over 6,000 cals a day would be spending all day in a kitchen if they honestly had to cook all of it when gaining. Even when cooking ahead of time, it is still difficult for me to get the calories in without eating out at all when my goal is weight gain.
This is a concept that seems foreign to those who don’t really need that much food.
I’m at about 1200 cals. I started eating at 6am after the bike.
2 scoops of Grow! and a handful of walnuts
An hour later, 3 HB eggs, handful of raw cashews
A bit later a couple handfuls of cashews in a client meeting.
1200 calories and I haven’t even had PWO shake, lunch, meals, etc.
If I just ate that 3 more times I’m at 4800 cals and probably pretty close to my protein/fat requirements for the day. (not that I’m saying that’s a healthy or smart thing to do-- just crunching numbers).
[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
I love fast food burgers. Especially hardies thick burgers, but they are not needed as a staple to gain mass.
A tripple whopper with no cheese is 1130 calories
67g of protein
74g of fat
51g of carbs
1160 mg of sodium
If you made a meal at home using 2 cups of cooked rice and 3/4 lbs of 90% lean ground beef.
1008 calories
77g of protein
34g of fat
89g of carbs
227 mg of sodium
So to me the only benefit is the convenience, because that meal cooked at home is cheaper, less sodium, less fat, and less saturated fat.[/quote]
I agree, Sodium is a silent killer bastard. When I started to user fitday, I discovered I was consuming 3.5 times the recommended sodium intake, the funny thing is that I tought i was under eating sodium.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I’m not against fast food, but bulking is possible without it. I’ve gained about 60 pounds in the last 18 months and I haven’t had fast food once.
Although I should state that those were my first 18 months of training.[/quote]
Would you define your metabolic rate as high? or you think it is because you work hard?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
I love fast food burgers. Especially hardies thick burgers, but they are not needed as a staple to gain mass.
A tripple whopper with no cheese is 1130 calories
67g of protein
74g of fat
51g of carbs
1160 mg of sodium
If you made a meal at home using 2 cups of cooked rice and 3/4 lbs of 90% lean ground beef.
1008 calories
77g of protein
34g of fat
89g of carbs
227 mg of sodium
So to me the only benefit is the convenience, because that meal cooked at home is cheaper, less sodium, less fat, and less saturated fat.
Convenience is the issue. I don’t know about you, but the bigger guys getting in over 6,000 cals a day would be spending all day in a kitchen if they honestly had to cook all of it when gaining. Even when cooking ahead of time, it is still difficult for me to get the calories in without eating out at all when my goal is weight gain.
This is a concept that seems foreign to those who don’t really need that much food.[/quote]
how many cal do you eat?
How do you solve the massive amount? density? It would be nice to eat a little bar 500kcal with low glicemic index.
how many cal do you eat?
How do you solve the massive amount? density? It would be nice to eat a little bar 500kcal with low glicemic index.[/quote]
How many calories I eat depends on what my goals are. I also have yet to actually sit and count out the exact specific number of calories I eat daily. While that may benefit some advanced bodybuilder who is trying to go pro as they diet down for a contest, it is over analysis for most people up to that level.
I know for a fact that it is MORE than 5,000cals when I am at my heaviest. The amount for me to gain weight would require me making a second job out of cooking if I actually try to do things that way. That may work for Jay Cutler who literally spends all day long cooking, eating, sleeping, shitting and lifting…but I personally have more shit to do in a day than cook over 5,000cals worth of food daily.
I usually have enough food cooked to cover me for 2 of those meals in a day when gaining. With a couple of protein shakes, I generally still have to eat out once or twice to ensure a weight gain.
The point being, there are those of us with faster metabolisms who need a hell of a lot more than 2,000 cals a day to make progress and if it helps me to eat out in order to accomplish my goal without making this pure hell, then so be it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The point being, there are those of us with faster metabolisms who need a hell of a lot more than 2,000 cals a day to make progress and if it helps me to eat out in order to accomplish my goal without making this pure hell, then so be it.[/quote]
I can’t say that I have much experience bulking but I am trying to increase my caloric intake and have found that consumption of olive oil, natural peanut butter, and milk are easy ways to increase your caloric intake.
Olive oil, and natural peanut butter have been mentioned. Those are great for adding calories to the diet. 4 tablespoons of each over the day will add a total of about 800 calories to anyone’s diet.
A quart of 2% milk will add around 400 calories - a half gallon would give you 800. If you are lactose intolerant, buy the lactaid version.