Football - Need Size

Training Powerlifting
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150 6-1 hard hitter? are you a freshman?
What division and state are you in?

Yeah the most important thing is to work on speed, and explosion. Not just bulk up.

As JMB has a great nutritional protocol I would not follow advice of someone who really hasn’t specifically coached, or been around the field. I know he consults with great teams and such, but football is a whole different story if you haven’t physically playedor coached.

I have played at a high level HS team, the reason I ask, is playing at a top 6A team in division I vs, being in 2a is a very different system. I have also coached at both levels, and found that the main difference was the kids weren’t taught proper lift technique.

Don’t just hire an olympic lifter to teach you how to squat, there is a difference in how to powerclean and squat for football vs. lifting meets.

that being said, eating all you can is great, but until you know how to squat, full squat, front squat, powerclean, hang clean, deadlift and constantly increase your lifts. Your weight gain will just be FAT gain.

I would suggest Poliquins Modern Trends in strength training book and follow some of those protcols. but Learn to do the lifts correctly, building your poundages will allow you to get bigger.

don’t forget to work on LATERAL speed!

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" there is a difference in how to powerclean and squat for football vs. lifting meets. "

I don’t know what lifting meets they do power cleans at other than the clean in the clean and jerk. What would be the difference in how to clean and squat for football vs lifting meets?

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What I was getting at was POWERLIFTERS, Do practice Powercleans and will often teach football players (in the gym technique).

THe difference. Well a powerlifters only focus is to get the weight up. Ie Usually extra wide stance, overleaning back, really wide grip on bar.

for cleans, basically a slowcatch and squat it up.

For football you stance should mimic the stance of your position.
You should be focused on EXPLOSION, not just moving the weight. Your back should mimic how you set your stance. Ie a linebackers shouldbe straigher than an O lineman.

this especially transalates to powercleans there is a big difference in a well timed exploaded, quick catch, powerclean and how it transalates to the field. Than a jumping reverse curl, thats squated up.

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[quote]Shortest Straw wrote:
What I was getting at was POWERLIFTERS, Do practice Powercleans and will often teach football players (in the gym technique).

THe difference. Well a powerlifters only focus is to get the weight up. Ie Usually extra wide stance, overleaning back, really wide grip on bar.

for cleans, basically a slowcatch and squat it up.

For football you stance should mimic the stance of your position.
You should be focused on EXPLOSION, not just moving the weight. Your back should mimic how you set your stance. Ie a linebackers shouldbe straigher than an O lineman.

this especially transalates to powercleans there is a big difference in a well timed exploaded, quick catch, powerclean and how it transalates to the field. Than a jumping reverse curl, thats squated up.[/quote]

I’m going to disagree somewhat here. Good powerlifting form in the squat should be fine for a football player. I understand why you might think that squatting in a style that mimics your football position would be beneficial but you must remember that a football player will be doing numerous drills outside his squatting that address those issues. A powerlifting squat will allow the football player to maximize the weight he handles with a large ROM. I also believe (contrary to lots of S&C coaches) that competitive PLing is good for football players. It fires up the competitve juices and helps get maximum effort out of the lifting.

As for the clean, I don’t know how else to do it other than explosively. Maybe there is some risk to a very low catch but since cleans performed by a PLifter are not subject to any rules I don’t know how you would compare a football clean to a PL clean. Again, all I can think of is that a football player may need to be cautious about a low catch if they have knee issues to begin with.

I’m disagreeing not to be disagreeable but it’s a good debate. I think PLing and football are very complementary activities and love them both.

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Not to steal your thread here, but I’m a 185 sophmore o-linemen. I’ve been training seriously for just over a year (pissin around for about 4)I’m just going in to the offseason and I have the training mostly planned out. I periodize from mid-high reps to low, with 3 powerlifting meets and 2 maxouts to work up to during the offseason. My workouts go “bench muscles”(chest, ant. delts, tris), “chinning muscles” (back, post. delts, bis)and legs. I rotate these regardless of day of the week and usually get 5-6 of these in per week. Any tips or comments on training would be appreciated.

Diet wise I’m not quite sure what I need to do. I eat 4000-5000 calories (mostly clean, little to no sugar) a day with 300-350 grams of protein. Right now I supplement with whey and a multivit. I will start creatine supplementation soon. I don’t think I have a high metabolism (ffb), but would I benefit by eating crap to bump it up to 5k-6k a day? Even at 4k-5k I seem to gain muscle in season while getting slightly leaner.
Tips would be helpful.

The only thing I can think I need more of is sleep. I average 7-7.5 h per night.

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[quote]Shortest Straw wrote:
What I was getting at was POWERLIFTERS, Do practice Powercleans and will often teach football players (in the gym technique).

THe difference. Well a powerlifters only focus is to get the weight up. Ie Usually extra wide stance, overleaning back, really wide grip on bar.

for cleans, basically a slowcatch and squat it up.

For football you stance should mimic the stance of your position.
You should be focused on EXPLOSION, not just moving the weight. Your back should mimic how you set your stance. Ie a linebackers shouldbe straigher than an O lineman.

this especially transalates to powercleans there is a big difference in a well timed exploaded, quick catch, powerclean and how it transalates to the field. Than a jumping reverse curl, thats squated up.[/quote]

Would the hundreds of authors, coaches, lifters, and athletes that have posted why that is a bad idea dissuade you from this line of thought? I’ll rehash why this is a general consensus no-no:

There will be ZERO transferrence of motor skill from a lifting activity to the field (squatting in your football stance with a barbell on your back and getting into your stance and making a tackle are so far removed from one another that they just won’t help one another). By altering the form, you will sacrifice working on the muscles or groups that you might have been targeting, and neccessarily have to reduce the load… the worst of both worlds!

If someone does a squatting reverse curl, call it that. A clean is a clean. Properly taught, by its very nature it’s explosive. You can no more clean very slowly than you can jump very slowly.

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[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
Shortest Straw wrote:
What I was getting at was POWERLIFTERS, Do practice Powercleans and will often teach football players (in the gym technique).

THe difference. Well a powerlifters only focus is to get the weight up. Ie Usually extra wide stance, overleaning back, really wide grip on bar.

for cleans, basically a slowcatch and squat it up.

For football you stance should mimic the stance of your position.
You should be focused on EXPLOSION, not just moving the weight. Your back should mimic how you set your stance. Ie a linebackers shouldbe straigher than an O lineman.

this especially transalates to powercleans there is a big difference in a well timed exploaded, quick catch, powerclean and how it transalates to the field. Than a jumping reverse curl, thats squated up.

Would the hundreds of authors, coaches, lifters, and athletes that have posted why that is a bad idea dissuade you from this line of thought? I’ll rehash why this is a general consensus no-no:

There will be ZERO transferrence of motor skill from a lifting activity to the field (squatting in your football stance with a barbell on your back and getting into your stance and making a tackle are so far removed from one another that they just won’t help one another). By altering the form, you will sacrifice working on the muscles or groups that you might have been targeting, and neccessarily have to reduce the load… the worst of both worlds!

If someone does a squatting reverse curl, call it that. A clean is a clean. Properly taught, by its very nature it’s explosive. You can no more clean very slowly than you can jump very slowly.
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I agree with the second post here. Weightlifting for any sport is general, meaning that mimicing your “football stance” while you squat is not going to translate.

With all the drills on the field being done, practicing stance, getting out of the stance, etc etc etc (the list goes on), no need to overthink things in the weight room and complicate/risk form. Squat and it’s variations done to at least parallel should suffice fine; As far as the clean goes, I feel as long as you’re getting the speed out of the movement and triple-extension achieved, then the lift is going to benefit that athlete. That is why the clean/powerclean are very much emphasized my most if not all major college and high school football programs.

Im not a fan when people say "you’re never going to do this movement in football, so why do it? " or something around these lines, you get the picture… Save the specificity for on the field!

Hope that helped.