Flame Free Confession III: Even More Flame Free (Part 1)

[dt79]

My fault. I should have been more clear about what she was learning. I did tell her that if she wants to learn self defense, she should go learn a legit martial art that emphasizes being able to adapt and react to dynamic situations.

[anna_5588]

Pre sheiko: I have to do 7 sets of squats?!
Sheiko: yay EasY day! I ONLY have 7 sets of squats

[T3hPwnisher]

Self defense always occupied a weird space as far as “pressure testing” goes, compared to any other activity out there.

Like, if you’re Eddie Hall, you can say something like “speed work can help you deadlift 500kg”, and if someone says “Prove it!”, you go and do it.

But you’re in a self defense class and someone says “Quarter circle forward and punch while allow you to defeat a knife attack”, they’re not going to let you come at them with a knife to prove it. And then when you ask “Ok, but you’ve at least used it to defend against a knife before, right?”

And even if they did, that woulda been just ONE knife ONE time. Could have just very well have been a fluke. The people out there that have defended against multiple knives on multiple occasions are most likely in a prison somewhere NOT teaching self defense.

Same thing with the crippling/maiming/killing techniques. “Ok cool: what’s your current bodycount?” should be the same question as “What is your total?” to a powerlifter, but people will teach you “killing blows” that they’ve never killed someone with.

I get the same way with dudes that cluck their tongues over caliber of choice for handgun carries. “You carry .380? Psh, that doesn’t penetrate enough to stop an attacker”. Oh wow, cool man: how many men have you killed with a HANDGUN? I didn’t realize I was talking to Billy the Kid.

I know for certain there are a few badass out there than have the legit bona fides to be able to comment on such topics, but the volume of people that DO comment on them vastly outnumber those that are qualified to do so.

[mattjp]

@T3hPwnisher

I know for certain there are a few out there that have legit bona fides to be able to comment on topics, but the volume of people that DO comment on them vastly outnumber those that are qualified to do so.

One quick edit and this is applicable to pretty much any subject you can think of.

[Frank_C]

@dt79

The wife has been going to cardio kickboxing classes for some time. Now she tells me she joined a Women’s Self Defense class in the gym. Then she tells me they taught her how to disable someone attacking you with a knife. I’m trying to get her to stop going.

Self defense is great, but you’re right, it’s usually slow motion. I’ve been through two police academies and I wouldn’t consider myself competent in hand to hand combat. It takes years.

@dt79

You don’t fucking disable someone when he attacks you with a knife and is determined to use it. You fucking RUN.

And carry a gun.

@T3hPwnisher

they’re not going to let you come at them with a knife to prove it.

We used knives that were kind of electrified in training. If you failed to get out of the way then you got shocked. We also didn’t practice disarming them. We practiced not getting stabbed and then shooting them.

@T3hPwnisher

The people out there that have defended against multiple knives on multiple occasions are most likely in a prison somewhere NOT teaching self defense.

Notice how he doesn’t go for the knife or other weapons? Go for the head. Disorient the mind and the knife isn’t all that dangerous anymore. He also got stabbed.

Daredevil - Punisher prison fight Scene (HD 1080p)

[mattjp]

You need some serious balls to be the sixth lad to attack him after five of your mates have had seven shades of shite knocked out of them.

[alex44938]

Dog is actually decent
*Flame free

[Frank_C]

He didn’t even start with a knife! He won the first three or four blows. That was his fatal mistake. Do not settle for punches when they could be stabs.

[whang]

I’m not too keen on finding out. Kinda curious about snake blood and meat though

[Pinkylifting]

@mattjp

applicable to pretty much any subjec

I read your edit and comment before the original, i genuinely thought this was aimed at people giving advice on T nation.

[EmilyQ]

@dt79

I’m saying you can’t use these skills in real life situations. If someone uses a knife on you and you try using one of these disabling tricks, not only do they not work, after one failed attempt to disable the person, you’ve set yourself up for multiple consecutive stabs at close range before you have time to react.

I think most women’s instinct would be to run rather than engage, so to me the value in the class would be that if running failed, I’d have other responses to try, which would not be geared to disabling the attacker, taking his knife, and holding him at knifepoint while with my free hand I called the authorities, but rather to “disable” enough to wrench free and retry the running thing.

I think you’re making a mistake in discouraging it.

Men vs women anecdote: I had a nightmare once in which my husband and I were hiding under the bed while an intruder approached. It was terrifying because we weren’t well-hidden. Anyway, my husband was furious when I reported it that I had him hiding under a bed. My nightmare apparently emasculated him.

[dchris]

flappinit
This is straight up one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said. Ever.

random poster
I disagree with that statement I think it was one of the most intelligent things I’ve ever wrote

This exchange made me lmao. As both can and are probably true.

[Pinkylifting]

Sigh, time to go hunting

[thefourthruffian]

@EmilyQ

I think most women’s instinct would be to run rather than engage, so to me the value in the class would be that if running failed, I’d have other responses to try, which would not be geared to disabling the attacker, taking his knife, and holding him at knifepoint while with my free hand .

Your instinct started off right. If someone attacks you with a knife, try to run. If someone attacks you with a gun, charge.

If have taken the the knife, there is no “holding him at knifepoint while …”

No, you stab the shit out of him until you can’t stab anymore.

Source: I’ve fought for my life at close range repeatedly, and I am still fucking alive.

[Chris_Colucci]

@T3hPwnisher

Same thing with the crippling/maiming/killing techniques. “Ok cool: what’s your current bodycount?”

Confession: My Sensei studied with a Sensei who served three years for killing a guy with a screwdriver (Nimr Hassan, Kenpo). So I got that going for me.

@Frank_C

We used knives that were kind of electrified in training

Always wanted to try these. We used to use rubber training knives with red lipstick on the blade to indicate cuts. Major eye-opener when you check your body for the aftermath, and arguably/theoretically more realistic since you don’t often feel the contact at the time it happens.

@EmilyQ

I’d have other responses to try, which would not be geared to disabling the attacker, taking his knife

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[bulldog9899]

I get a laugh out of the amount gear some beginners run. For the sole purpose of looking like a bad ass in your average commercial gym.

[flappinit]

We learned knife disarming techniques in the Philippines from a Kali instructor.

The TL;DR was, “if you’re in a knife fight, prepare to get cut.”

We found that disarming someone with a handgun without getting yourself shot, and while breaking the attackers finger in the trigger well, is way easier than getting a knife out of someone’s hand. I’m honestly not sure how psyched I’d be to try either of them, though.

Also, one of the instructors carried a wanted poster of himself in Mindanao, that said he was wanted for killing 3 people. At least, that’s what he said it said. I don’t speak or read Tagalog.

[whang]

@bulldog9899

looking like a bad ass in your average commercial gym.

Sometimes, all it takes is squatting to depth

[dt79]

@EmilyQ

I think most women’s instinct would be to run rather than engage, so to me the value in the class would be that if running failed, I’d have other responses to try, which would not be geared to disabling the attacker, taking his knife, and holding him at knifepoint while with my free hand I called the authorities, but rather to “disable” enough to wrench free and retry the running thing.

I think you’re making a mistake in discouraging it.

I really don’t think there will be any difference. These “self-defense” techniques taught in these kinds of classes don’t work in reality. If she wants to go learn BJJ or something where there’s some actual sparring going on for a couple of years, I’m all for it.

[strongmangoals]

@EmilyQ

I had a nightmare once in which my husband and I were hiding under the bed while an intruder approached. It was terrifying because we weren’t well-hidden. Anyway, my husband was furious when I reported it that I had him hiding under a bed. My nightmare apparently emasculated him.

Show him the @Chris_Colucci video lol

I had the same dream a long time ago and now I keep a baseball bat within arm’s reach in bed haha