Fittest Man in the World

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

You have to admit Brick that its a brilliant marketing and business model.

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Of course! And I can’t see how that’s bad either so long as Crossfit trainers have safety in mind for their box members. Zumba is a great business too, and I can’t see how a form of dance for people to get in shape is bad either. [/quote]

My only point in this is this is Business, good guys will succeed if smart and CF trainers who are not smart will not. At least that is what I believe.

CF will stabilize to a point. But they are popping up all over the fucking place here in Houston. I drive by 5 to get to my gym every morning.

Not taking side in any argument, but a guy who is 5’9" 200 pounds throwing around weights well over his BW and running, swimming and jumping while he is doing that is nothing to sneeze at. [/quote]

Good post!

Other business models:

Mountain Dog Diet
Abel Bodies
Elite Fitness Systems
Madcow
Starting Strength
5/3/1
Warrior Training
Renegade
Underground Strength (correct name?)
Doggcrapp/True Nutrition
Troponin Nutrition
Precision Nutrition/Scrawny to Brawny
Brink Zone

For some reason it seems MANY people have beef with CF as a business but don’t have beef with these.
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Which one of these advertises itself as a sport and the ‘best and only way to train,’ yet have athletes that don’t use the prescribed training?[/quote]

Let me ask you this- What isn’t part of CF training?

There is a trend in training which says “If it works, use it.” and viola! it is part of that school of training. Not that it is a bad thing either.

Unless you start combining bands and chains with poodle jumps.
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That’s a cop out BS response. CF training is the WOD. The CF claim is that’s all you need, appropriately scaled, of course.

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[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:

  1. He’s way too involved in his faith (he’s a devout Christian) and I think it would really tear him up inside to do that to his body considering that he lives by and through his faith.

CS[/quote]

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

However, I do remember many years ago Scott Abel saying Innervation Training was the most complete training system in the entire world, or something similar. [/quote]

So one idiot making idiotic claims validates every other idiotic claim?

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Didn’t they use to say Lance has special mitochondria? =D

Back on topic, I’m not a hater, seriously I’m not! BUT I am SOOOOO fucking sick of crossfit. Seriously I cannot escape it in if I want to be involved with weightlifting and it is really grating on my nerves.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it. In fact it’s good, it helps people get fit and all that. They promote lifting. And working hard. And squatting to depth. But fuck it all, as a sport I just don’t give a fuck if I ever have to hear about it or a WOD or a fucking burpee ever again.

I hate baseball too but it’s not like it’s constantly in my face.

/rant

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[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

You have to admit Brick that its a brilliant marketing and business model.

[/quote]

Of course! And I can’t see how that’s bad either so long as Crossfit trainers have safety in mind for their box members. Zumba is a great business too, and I can’t see how a form of dance for people to get in shape is bad either. [/quote]

My only point in this is this is Business, good guys will succeed if smart and CF trainers who are not smart will not. At least that is what I believe.

CF will stabilize to a point. But they are popping up all over the fucking place here in Houston. I drive by 5 to get to my gym every morning.

Not taking side in any argument, but a guy who is 5’9" 200 pounds throwing around weights well over his BW and running, swimming and jumping while he is doing that is nothing to sneeze at. [/quote]

Good post!

Other business models:

Mountain Dog Diet
Abel Bodies
Elite Fitness Systems
Madcow
Starting Strength
5/3/1
Warrior Training
Renegade
Underground Strength (correct name?)
Doggcrapp/True Nutrition
Troponin Nutrition
Precision Nutrition/Scrawny to Brawny
Brink Zone

For some reason it seems MANY people have beef with CF as a business but don’t have beef with these.
[/quote]

Which one of these advertises itself as a sport and the ‘best and only way to train,’ yet have athletes that don’t use the prescribed training?[/quote]

Let me ask you this- What isn’t part of CF training?

There is a trend in training which says “If it works, use it.” and viola! it is part of that school of training. Not that it is a bad thing either.

Unless you start combining bands and chains with poodle jumps.
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That’s a cop out BS response. CF training is the WOD. The CF claim is that’s all you need, appropriately scaled, of course. [/quote]

No it isn’t, for a couple of reasons-

  1. It is a question, followed by an observation.
  2. I’m not speaking for anybody.

There is no claim being made here except by you. Maybe you could debate CFs assertions and methods with hipsare4running though, because he seems much more informed than either you or me.

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Its so cute how people think I am say what I am saying like its fact :slight_smile: Please lets keep going

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[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

However, I do remember many years ago Scott Abel saying Innervation Training was the most complete training system in the entire world, or something similar. [/quote]

So one idiot making idiotic claims validates every other idiotic claim? [/quote]

No. I said that as an aside.

By the way, people will be hard pressed to find gurus NOT saying idiotic things.

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[quote]colt44 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Couple thoughts. How did they prove or support that phelps produces less lactic acid because genetics rather thn training? In that article they claim he is at 4% bf which then throws the accuracy into question of much of the other info.

We cannot test accurately for steriod metabolites in the blood. How can you expect testing for gene doping to work? Also to my knowledge we do not have the needed information to accurately do any kind of gene doping though the idea sounds easy on paper. Soon though I wouldn’t doubt it.

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Epo, we discussed in my phys class this year and our professor argued it probably does not help any where near as much as people think. Tissue oxygen delivery is going to depend in rate of delivery of blood as well as how much oxygen it can carry. More hematocrit more oxygen carrying but also the blood becomes more viscous and slows [/quote]

They also tell you roids will kill you and make you suicidal…EPO works maybe even better than the people who think it works thinks[/quote]

Care to actually support this? I never said I believe my professors but it makes sense when looking at the physiology. Of course we were moving fast so we didn’t have a lot of time to dig deep, only scratch the surface. And since I don’t care about Epo I never looked further

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[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
There was some “article” on Froning on the crossfit FB page. He says he doesn’t have any kind of a diet or training program.[/quote]

There was a crossfit artcile in one of the major health mags a few months ago, said Froning follows an Olympic lifting schedule in the morning, Crossfit specific workouts in the afternoon, and Cardio (rower I think) at night. I think it was 6-7 days a week. I’ll have to dig it up to check.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:
basically that’s a lot of guys that are about average size.
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What world do you live in where a lean 200lbs at 5’9" is average sized? 5’9"-5’11" and around two hundo is not fucking average lol, that’s pretty darn big. Do you have to be like Dan Green before you’re considered above average sized in your book? lol[/quote]
Yeah, that’s not what I meant. Obviously, these guys are in fantastic shape that is well above average. I mean that they weren’t born particularly tall, or long limbed, or short limbed, etc. Average framed guys. Diet and exercise make up the difference. Compare to WSM, for instance, where the average winner is probably 6’4" and over 350lbs.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Im pretty close to HQ and they do get tested, albeit piss tested, often and throughout the year. A lot of the athletes, major ones and especially champions of Xfit games constantly check to make sure any supplementation they take isn’t on the naughty list. A lot of companies are coming out of the wood work trying to sponsor these people and it causes problems.

Last year a team was banned because a member of the team took a drink of a banned product between workouts while walking around the vendor village. They made a pretty big deal about it.

My actual interest is the genetic side of this. I believe, and I heard this a while ago, that there is a special clause or act that prevents genetically gifted athletes from not being banned from Olympic events. That some athletes have tested to be genetically gifted, have a super-human like potential, and therefore can not be kicked out. I believe where I heard about this also spoke how Michael Phelps doesn’t produce lactic acid the same way as a normal athlete so his fatigue doesn’t set in until WAY later into the race. This could also be a cover by the Oly organization.

I know in CF they talk a lot about Fronings back ground and how he worked as a concrete mover, and then sports and then worked out all his life. Basically he has always been picking up and moving shit all day long. From that, and other things, he has become acclimated to the work load. If you look at him in past events and articles, his strength numbers, muscle building, speed, recovery have been about typical from a serious lifter. If potentially he was on roids, you would expect greater number increases than average. Right?

There may be something to his abilities. For instance, we have a athlete in our Box who has extreme VO2/endurance skills. 5 min miles, and an engine that wont quit. Dude buffers acid like a mother, well when he got accepted to sheriffs academy they did some testing, turns out the dude basically has 2 hearts. This allows him to suffer less and be faster than an average person. I can only catch him on strength stuff but if he goes, hes gone.

I think froning might be on something because of the football background. Hgh would help in crossfit I believe. I think he is just around some people who know more about it at a college level. Some other people, they literally don’t know enough to take them. Ive worked with some of the big crossfit peeps, they really couldn’t figure it out and they don’t have anyone in their camp that would know how to cycle for this kind of “sport.”[/quote]

What does “basically has 2 hearts” mean? Either he does or he doesn’t. And considering that the heart doesn’t filter the blood or add nutrients to the blood, I’m not sure how a second would increase your endurance.

Anyways, I remember reading about how Lance Armstrong had some rare genetic lungs or blood or something that increased his oxygen intake. Turns out he just took drugs. Your post reminds me of this.

As far as the testing, crossfit HQ seems to have a penchant for finding some expendable scapegoat and slapping the life out of him or her to prove that they really slap people. They then make sure not to touch their special snowflakes.

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[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:
basically that’s a lot of guys that are about average size.
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What world do you live in where a lean 200lbs at 5’9" is average sized? 5’9"-5’11" and around two hundo is not fucking average lol, that’s pretty darn big. Do you have to be like Dan Green before you’re considered above average sized in your book? lol[/quote]
Yeah, that’s not what I meant. Obviously, these guys are in fantastic shape that is well above average. I mean that they weren’t born particularly tall, or long limbed, or short limbed, etc. Average framed guys. Diet and exercise make up the difference. Compare to WSM, for instance, where the average winner is probably 6’4" and over 350lbs. [/quote]
Hahahaha I understand now. You were just saying they were born average blokes and not giants like the strongmen for example.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
Didn’t they use to say Lance has special mitochondria? =D

Back on topic, I’m not a hater, seriously I’m not! BUT I am SOOOOO fucking sick of crossfit. Seriously I cannot escape it in if I want to be involved with weightlifting and it is really grating on my nerves.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it. In fact it’s good, it helps people get fit and all that. They promote lifting. And working hard. And squatting to depth. But fuck it all, as a sport I just don’t give a fuck if I ever have to hear about it or a WOD or a fucking burpee ever again.

I hate baseball too but it’s not like it’s constantly in my face.

/rant[/quote]
If you watched ESPN over the last month than Baseball would be in your face.

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Silyak: he has an abnormally large heart. So whatever Drs. he saw when in sheriffs academy told him two things would happen: it would give out or it would cause an increase in performance. This is all I was told. He is gifted in endurance capabilities. 5 min mile time (as per recorded by Sheriffs dept), crazy endurance abilities in the gym, so forth and so on.

Probably something on the lines of this: Athletic heart syndrome - Wikipedia

I had never heard of this shit either until he came back with the test. His resting heart rate is very low. They told him “you basically have two heart.” please read into that, deeper, as clearly I am stating that I know a dude who has two hearts and isn’t a medical science mystery. Please, read this more literally. Go ahead, Ill wait…

The only reason I brought this up is CF finds these obscure scape-goat ass reasons to justify a questionable performance of an individual.

When a 16 year old female Chinese Oly swimmer out swims the males…it raises eyesbrows and concerns. For Forning who struggles the 1st 2 days of the Games this weekend all of a sudden on the last day, where usually youre most wrecked, churns out 3 1st place finishes in a row…I would say same eyebrows get raised.

Whats crossfit say? “In typical rich froning fashion” Are you fucking kidding me?! Im a little concerned over the dudes performance.

I only brought this up as a means to discuss any validity to claims made that athletes hold these genetically gifted secrets that propels them past the average folks. The Phelps thing, which clearly cant be discussed, was a small example, that I didn’t state as solidified, undoubtable fact. Do I think Phelps is genetically gifted? Not really. We took his weed away and sponsored him with foot longs and see a performance drop.

But shit like this: Is gene doping coming to the Olympics?

made me bring up this back story they put against Froning, which again, I don’t buy into.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Didn’t they use to say Lance has special mitochondria? =D

Back on topic, I’m not a hater, seriously I’m not! BUT I am SOOOOO fucking sick of crossfit. Seriously I cannot escape it in if I want to be involved with weightlifting and it is really grating on my nerves.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it. In fact it’s good, it helps people get fit and all that. They promote lifting. And working hard. And squatting to depth. But fuck it all, as a sport I just don’t give a fuck if I ever have to hear about it or a WOD or a fucking burpee ever again.

I hate baseball too but it’s not like it’s constantly in my face.

/rant[/quote]
If you watched ESPN over the last month than Baseball would be in your face.[/quote]

Probably. I don’t know any baseball players either but I know a ton of Crossfitters and many weightlifters I know are affiliated or are fans of Crossfit. I usually watch the games but this year I found I was already tired of it all. The games are done now so I hope it quiets down. I’m calm now :slight_smile:

Also, it occurred to me last night that Strongmen champs call themselves 's strongest man or women and no one seems to take issue with that but the title is debatable.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

I hate baseball too but it’s not like it’s constantly in my face.

/rant[/quote]

I feel the same way about hockey because it’s constantly in my face.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
Didn’t they use to say Lance has special mitochondria? =D

Back on topic, I’m not a hater, seriously I’m not! BUT I am SOOOOO fucking sick of crossfit. Seriously I cannot escape it in if I want to be involved with weightlifting and it is really grating on my nerves.

Not that there’s anything wrong with it. In fact it’s good, it helps people get fit and all that. They promote lifting. And working hard. And squatting to depth. But fuck it all, as a sport I just don’t give a fuck if I ever have to hear about it or a WOD or a fucking burpee ever again.

I hate baseball too but it’s not like it’s constantly in my face.

/rant[/quote]

Also, it occurred to me last night that Strongmen champs call themselves 's strongest man or women and no one seems to take issue with that but the title is debatable.
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But they are also in a specialized sport. If you think about it, who could contend with high level strongmen? Some powerlifters? Possibly a few NFL lineman? Their main focuse(in a nutshell) is to lift as heavy an object as many times as possbile or from point A to point B. While CF involves multiple properties like strength, speed, edurance, etc., which athletes of other sports easily compete in.

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Well the outstanding problem, even that I have had with this, is it is “Fitness” as defined by CF. Glassman just made up a definition because one didn’t exist to his liking. The preach this at the L1. I recently added it for my 3rd time and we had a 45 minute debate/sale on fitness and its concepts.

We tried to argue that Chris Spealer would out run an elite level marathon runner if the challenge was: who could make it to the top of the staircase of the empire state building?

Their idea of fitness or fittest is if we took random ass tasks, and put them into a hat or hopper, and pulled them out as a series of events to complete, who would win most overall? So take 1) Froning 2) Elite Level Marathon runner 3) Power lifter: who would win at?:
1)600lb deadlift 2) 30 muscle ups for time 3) 1/2 triathlon 4) Back Squat 350lbs for reps 5) 15 rope climbs 6) whatever the fuck 7) some fucking wod like grace etc etc

By their count: froning would win almost all events. Remember we are increasing work capacity over broad times and modal domains but if you use the definition of power: Cfers are also the most powerful. I wanted to replace the selected, sport specific athletes they choose and put Froning against some other “elite” individuals. They didn’t want to play.

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Sorry this is a bit off topic, but how much do CrossFit gyms in the states tend to cost? This thread made me curious about CF in general, and I checked out the website of my nearest “box”. £60 ($92) per month if you join for several months (more if you just pay for a single month)! How can they jusitfy that?!

EDIT: Just checked out another one and it is £70 ($107) per month.

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[quote]furo wrote:
Sorry this is a bit off topic, but how much do CrossFit gyms in the states tend to cost? This thread made me curious about CF in general, and I checked out the website of my nearest “box”. Ã??Ã?£60 ($92) per month if you join for several months (more if you just pay for a single month)! How can they jusitfy that?!

EDIT: Just checked out another one and it is �?�£70 ($107) per month.[/quote]
That’s actully a pretty decent price.
I’ve seen $140 a month before.
Maybe it was $120?