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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Im pretty close to HQ and they do get tested, albeit piss tested, often and throughout the year. A lot of the athletes, major ones and especially champions of Xfit games constantly check to make sure any supplementation they take isn’t on the naughty list. A lot of companies are coming out of the wood work trying to sponsor these people and it causes problems.

Last year a team was banned because a member of the team took a drink of a banned product between workouts while walking around the vendor village. They made a pretty big deal about it.

My actual interest is the genetic side of this. I believe, and I heard this a while ago, that there is a special clause or act that prevents genetically gifted athletes from not being banned from Olympic events. That some athletes have tested to be genetically gifted, have a super-human like potential, and therefore can not be kicked out. I believe where I heard about this also spoke how Michael Phelps doesn’t produce lactic acid the same way as a normal athlete so his fatigue doesn’t set in until WAY later into the race. This could also be a cover by the Oly organization.

I know in CF they talk a lot about Fronings back ground and how he worked as a concrete mover, and then sports and then worked out all his life. Basically he has always been picking up and moving shit all day long. From that, and other things, he has become acclimated to the work load. If you look at him in past events and articles, his strength numbers, muscle building, speed, recovery have been about typical from a serious lifter. If potentially he was on roids, you would expect greater number increases than average. Right?

There may be something to his abilities. For instance, we have a athlete in our Box who has extreme VO2/endurance skills. 5 min miles, and an engine that wont quit. Dude buffers acid like a mother, well when he got accepted to sheriffs academy they did some testing, turns out the dude basically has 2 hearts. This allows him to suffer less and be faster than an average person. I can only catch him on strength stuff but if he goes, hes gone.

I think froning might be on something because of the football background. Hgh would help in crossfit I believe. I think he is just around some people who know more about it at a college level. Some other people, they literally don’t know enough to take them. Ive worked with some of the big crossfit peeps, they really couldn’t figure it out and they don’t have anyone in their camp that would know how to cycle for this kind of “sport.”[/quote]

I’m sure you’re an alright dude, but this post is the dumbest thing I’ve read since CSEagles post.[/quote]
LOL
Some people are just very naive.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

You have to admit Brick that its a brilliant marketing and business model.

[/quote]

Of course! And I can’t see how that’s bad either so long as Crossfit trainers have safety in mind for their box members. Zumba is a great business too, and I can’t see how a form of dance for people to get in shape is bad either. [/quote]

My only point in this is this is Business, good guys will succeed if smart and CF trainers who are not smart will not. At least that is what I believe.

CF will stabilize to a point. But they are popping up all over the fucking place here in Houston. I drive by 5 to get to my gym every morning.

Not taking side in any argument, but a guy who is 5’9" 200 pounds throwing around weights well over his BW and running, swimming and jumping while he is doing that is nothing to sneeze at. [/quote]

Good post!

Other business models:

Mountain Dog Diet
Abel Bodies
Elite Fitness Systems
Madcow
Starting Strength
5/3/1
Warrior Training
Renegade
Underground Strength (correct name?)
Doggcrapp/True Nutrition
Troponin Nutrition
Precision Nutrition/Scrawny to Brawny
Brink Zone

For some reason it seems MANY people have beef with CF as a business but don’t have beef with these.
[/quote]

Which one of these advertises itself as a sport and the ‘best and only way to train,’ yet have athletes that don’t use the prescribed training?

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[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

You have to admit Brick that its a brilliant marketing and business model.

[/quote]

Of course! And I can’t see how that’s bad either so long as Crossfit trainers have safety in mind for their box members. Zumba is a great business too, and I can’t see how a form of dance for people to get in shape is bad either. [/quote]

My only point in this is this is Business, good guys will succeed if smart and CF trainers who are not smart will not. At least that is what I believe.

CF will stabilize to a point. But they are popping up all over the fucking place here in Houston. I drive by 5 to get to my gym every morning.

Not taking side in any argument, but a guy who is 5’9" 200 pounds throwing around weights well over his BW and running, swimming and jumping while he is doing that is nothing to sneeze at. [/quote]

Good post!

Other business models:

Mountain Dog Diet
Abel Bodies
Elite Fitness Systems
Madcow
Starting Strength
5/3/1
Warrior Training
Renegade
Underground Strength (correct name?)
Doggcrapp/True Nutrition
Troponin Nutrition
Precision Nutrition/Scrawny to Brawny
Brink Zone

For some reason it seems MANY people have beef with CF as a business but don’t have beef with these.
[/quote]

Which one of these advertises itself as a sport and the ‘best and only way to train,’ yet have athletes that don’t use the prescribed training?[/quote]

OK, fine, good point.

However, I do remember many years ago Scott Abel saying Innervation Training was the most complete training system in the entire world, or something similar.

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hipsr4runnin: “If potentially he was on roids, you would expect greater number increases than average. Right?”

No.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Im pretty close to HQ and they do get tested, albeit piss tested, often and throughout the year. A lot of the athletes, major ones and especially champions of Xfit games constantly check to make sure any supplementation they take isn’t on the naughty list. A lot of companies are coming out of the wood work trying to sponsor these people and it causes problems.

Last year a team was banned because a member of the team took a drink of a banned product between workouts while walking around the vendor village. They made a pretty big deal about it.

My actual interest is the genetic side of this. I believe, and I heard this a while ago, that there is a special clause or act that prevents genetically gifted athletes from not being banned from Olympic events. That some athletes have tested to be genetically gifted, have a super-human like potential, and therefore can not be kicked out. I believe where I heard about this also spoke how Michael Phelps doesn’t produce lactic acid the same way as a normal athlete so his fatigue doesn’t set in until WAY later into the race. This could also be a cover by the Oly organization.

I know in CF they talk a lot about Fronings back ground and how he worked as a concrete mover, and then sports and then worked out all his life. Basically he has always been picking up and moving shit all day long. From that, and other things, he has become acclimated to the work load. If you look at him in past events and articles, his strength numbers, muscle building, speed, recovery have been about typical from a serious lifter. If potentially he was on roids, you would expect greater number increases than average. Right?

There may be something to his abilities. For instance, we have a athlete in our Box who has extreme VO2/endurance skills. 5 min miles, and an engine that wont quit. Dude buffers acid like a mother, well when he got accepted to sheriffs academy they did some testing, turns out the dude basically has 2 hearts. This allows him to suffer less and be faster than an average person. I can only catch him on strength stuff but if he goes, hes gone.

I think froning might be on something because of the football background. Hgh would help in crossfit I believe. I think he is just around some people who know more about it at a college level. Some other people, they literally don’t know enough to take them. Ive worked with some of the big crossfit peeps, they really couldn’t figure it out and they don’t have anyone in their camp that would know how to cycle for this kind of “sport.”[/quote]

  1. piss tests are worth absolutely nothing. At all. If they were worth anything, don’t you think A-Rod would’ve tested positive at some point? That dude’s clearly been on since he was a teenager, is now 38, and has never failed a drug test.

  2. Kicking a guy out for a banned drink makes for good theater. It makes it look like they’re super duper serious. Plus this was apparently out in the open for people see. A good opportunity for Crossfit to grandstand. If that competitor had been Froning, do you think there’s a chance in hell they would have kicked him out? If you do, I’ve got some beachfront property in Iowa to sell you.

  3. As to Froning’s gains being consistent over a long period of time equating to him being clean, you’re assuming he hasn’t simply been on for that entire duration. How do you know he hasn’t been using for a decade, maybe more? You don’t. You’re also ignoring PED’s that simply increase work capacity with this statement.

  4. As if you weren’t wrong enough up to this point… an athlete with ‘basically 2 hearts’… gtfo. I don’t even know what the ‘basically’ qualifier is supposed to mean. You’re clearly not interested in committing to saying the guy has 2 hearts, because that would be full retard. What you seem to mean is that his 1 heart is really awesome. You should have said that.

  5. Not knowing shit about steroids hasn’t kept thousands and thousands of people from using. There are plenty of mindless idiots at gyms across the country using steroids who don’t have a clue what they’re doing. I’ve seen it several times. I used to know a guy who came across a bottle of D Bol and just started taking it. Zero research. He thought it was a magic pill. The guy didn’t even lift…

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[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

You have to admit Brick that its a brilliant marketing and business model.

[/quote]

Of course! And I can’t see how that’s bad either so long as Crossfit trainers have safety in mind for their box members. Zumba is a great business too, and I can’t see how a form of dance for people to get in shape is bad either. [/quote]

My only point in this is this is Business, good guys will succeed if smart and CF trainers who are not smart will not. At least that is what I believe.

CF will stabilize to a point. But they are popping up all over the fucking place here in Houston. I drive by 5 to get to my gym every morning.

Not taking side in any argument, but a guy who is 5’9" 200 pounds throwing around weights well over his BW and running, swimming and jumping while he is doing that is nothing to sneeze at. [/quote]

Good post!

Other business models:

Mountain Dog Diet
Abel Bodies
Elite Fitness Systems
Madcow
Starting Strength
5/3/1
Warrior Training
Renegade
Underground Strength (correct name?)
Doggcrapp/True Nutrition
Troponin Nutrition
Precision Nutrition/Scrawny to Brawny
Brink Zone

For some reason it seems MANY people have beef with CF as a business but don’t have beef with these.
[/quote]

Which one of these advertises itself as a sport and the ‘best and only way to train,’ yet have athletes that don’t use the prescribed training?[/quote]

Let me ask you this- What isn’t part of CF training?

There is a trend in training which says “If it works, use it.” and viola! it is part of that school of training. Not that it is a bad thing either.

Unless you start combining bands and chains with poodle jumps.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Re: Crossfit competition involves exercise/training to get better at exercise/training.

Same can be said about the competitive runners who run to get better at running, some of whom do little to nothing else and put up 80 miles per week.

Same can be said about swimmers who swim to get better at swimming and our own beloved powerlifters and Olympic lifters who keep lifting to get better at lifting. [/quote]

Well geez, when you put it like that it sounds very reasonable.

Really though, it kind of cracks me up when people can’t see the analogy of their own training and the practices of others. Like what someone else does is completely absurd, but they are totally on the level.

[/quote]

Same here. No one gets better at something unless they do it over and over and over again.

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[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

Which one of these advertises itself as a sport…?[/quote]

I think this is OK, considering CF competition involves physical feats.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

Which one of these advertises itself as a sport…?[/quote]

I think this is OK, considering CF competition involves physical feats.[/quote]

Never really understood why people get their panties in a bunch about this. Running is a sport so is swimming, gymnastics, throwing, strongman, timbersports, weightlifting etc, provided you compete with other people doing the same thing under a previously agreed upon set of rules and standards. Why, when you combine these elements into a single competition does it become stupid/fraudulent to call it a sport? Makes no sense to me.

It might not be a sport that you like or are interested in, but who cares? I don’t have any interest in marathon running, but they can still call it a sport without taking any skin off my ass.

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when this guy can beat tiger woods at golf, chris fromme in the tour de france, roger federrer in tennis, michael phelps in swimming, hit, field and play baseball better than the current best baseball player, be a better QB than tom brady, run the 200 faster than bolt, run a faster 10k than the 200 kenyans that go under 28:00, play hockey better than crosby, then i’ll call him the fittest man alive. until then, i’ll call him the best crossfitter…

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[quote]spk wrote:
when this guy can beat tiger woods at golf, chris fromme in the tour de france, roger federrer in tennis, michael phelps in swimming, hit, field and play baseball better than the current best baseball player, be a better QB than tom brady, run the 200 faster than bolt, run a faster 10k than the 200 kenyans that go under 28:00, play hockey better than crosby, then i’ll call him the fittest man alive. until then, i’ll call him the best crossfitter…[/quote]
Until all of them can beat him at crossfit then he’ll lose his fittest man alive title.

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[quote]spk wrote:
when this guy can beat tiger woods at golf, chris fromme in the tour de france, roger federrer in tennis, michael phelps in swimming, hit, field and play baseball better than the current best baseball player, be a better QB than tom brady, run the 200 faster than bolt, run a faster 10k than the 200 kenyans that go under 28:00, play hockey better than crosby, then i’ll call him the fittest man alive. until then, i’ll call him the best crossfitter…[/quote]

I’m sorry you don’t have to be fit to play baseball or golf

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Whatever happened to lifting things in an orderly manner on a consistent basis?

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hot damn there are some emotional people on here…

I really believe that froning is on something. I talk to a lot of coaches and they just cant wrap their heads around a natural athlete claiming to have a work load like that and surviving.

The dude just won for the 3rd time in a row.

I was really asking if they would be normal gains, not being sarcastic.

The piss test is shit, never said it wasn’t. Im one of the reasons CF started testing in the first place because I voiced concern over female athletes.

I fully believe CF would hide athletes testing positive…because I was at the fucking lunch when HQ was talking about it…

As to our gym member everyone is fucking up in arms about for reading my statement literally, he kid has some kind enlarged heart (condition), its not normal size. How Dr.s explained it to him was that he has “basically two hearts” a heart that does 2xs the work, because its slightly abnormally larger.

They were worried that during exercise his heart would give out OR that he was able to maintain a level of conditioning not seen in regular people. His endurance ability is amazing, his fatigue is super low, he just goes and goes and goes. Does this mean he literally has to heart? no fucking way, and you shouldn’t be so sensitive when you read posts.

I think a lot of people thought I was on the CF bandwagon and froning, I am not. I would love to find the kid out, I do think he uses and hides behind his “faith” to not make it look like a big deal. Again I was there at a lunch when some of the HQ guys were discussing this same subject. I was extremely surprised as to what was said. I also know some of the top women and what they take and they have coaches that are very aware of what is legal and what is not.

As far as genetics and Olympics I was referring to these kinds of article ideas:

This was the Phelps advantage I was speaking of:
?He has a genetic advantage that cause his muscles to produce 50% less lactic acid than other athletes. This means he can work at higher work loads for longer periods.

The only reason I brought that up is CGHQ uses Fronings work history in construction as an excuse. ‘he moved concrete all day every day so that’s how he built his stamina’…literally, they told us this.

I figured at the very least hes on HGH, he also fits the profile from what other coaches have told me. His gains in the past 4 games are pretty weird, watch videos of him 4 years ago and he didn’t have the same engine. I was asking if his gains were normal, not saying. I think too many of you read my post as literal, which it was not.

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Couple thoughts. How did they prove or support that phelps produces less lactic acid because genetics rather thn training? In that article they claim he is at 4% bf which then throws the accuracy into question of much of the other info.

We cannot test accurately for steriod metabolites in the blood. How can you expect testing for gene doping to work? Also to my knowledge we do not have the needed information to accurately do any kind of gene doping though the idea sounds easy on paper. Soon though I wouldn’t doubt it.

Edit

Epo, we discussed in my phys class this year and our professor argued it probably does not help any where near as much as people think. Tissue oxygen delivery is going to depend in rate of delivery of blood as well as how much oxygen it can carry. More hematocrit more oxygen carrying but also the blood becomes more viscous and slows

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Ryan: agreed and pretty smart posts man. I don’t know where I first heard it but there was a part in a documentary about genetics in Olympics. They spoke specifically how Phelps buffers acid differently, and if I remember, other teams were “upset” about his “genetic flaw” and spoke of banning. There was something in the documentary but I believe it was an Act they wanted to initiate, I think they even tried to call it the X Men Act, where an athlete could not be banned because of genetic advantages. This is all off memory though.

We all know what east Germany has done in sports.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Im pretty close to HQ and they do get tested, albeit piss tested, often and throughout the year. A lot of the athletes, major ones and especially champions of Xfit games constantly check to make sure any supplementation they take isn’t on the naughty list. A lot of companies are coming out of the wood work trying to sponsor these people and it causes problems.

Last year a team was banned because a member of the team took a drink of a banned product between workouts while walking around the vendor village. They made a pretty big deal about it.

My actual interest is the genetic side of this. I believe, and I heard this a while ago, that there is a special clause or act that prevents genetically gifted athletes from not being banned from Olympic events. That some athletes have tested to be genetically gifted, have a super-human like potential, and therefore can not be kicked out. I believe where I heard about this also spoke how Michael Phelps doesn’t produce lactic acid the same way as a normal athlete so his fatigue doesn’t set in until WAY later into the race. This could also be a cover by the Oly organization.

I know in CF they talk a lot about Fronings back ground and how he worked as a concrete mover, and then sports and then worked out all his life. Basically he has always been picking up and moving shit all day long. From that, and other things, he has become acclimated to the work load. If you look at him in past events and articles, his strength numbers, muscle building, speed, recovery have been about typical from a serious lifter. If potentially he was on roids, you would expect greater number increases than average. Right?

There may be something to his abilities. For instance, we have a athlete in our Box who has extreme VO2/endurance skills. 5 min miles, and an engine that wont quit. Dude buffers acid like a mother, well when he got accepted to sheriffs academy they did some testing, turns out the dude basically has 2 hearts. This allows him to suffer less and be faster than an average person. I can only catch him on strength stuff but if he goes, hes gone.

I think froning might be on something because of the football background. Hgh would help in crossfit I believe. I think he is just around some people who know more about it at a college level. Some other people, they literally don’t know enough to take them. Ive worked with some of the big crossfit peeps, they really couldn’t figure it out and they don’t have anyone in their camp that would know how to cycle for this kind of “sport.”[/quote]

I’m sure you’re an alright dude, but this post is the dumbest thing I’ve read since CSEagles post.[/quote]

Thank you whiteflash. I havent logged on my account for almost a year now, but have popped in the forums here and there, but this post and cseagles have brought me back. My god there are some retarded posts…keep up the good work

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Couple thoughts. How did they prove or support that phelps produces less lactic acid because genetics rather thn training? In that article they claim he is at 4% bf which then throws the accuracy into question of much of the other info.

We cannot test accurately for steriod metabolites in the blood. How can you expect testing for gene doping to work? Also to my knowledge we do not have the needed information to accurately do any kind of gene doping though the idea sounds easy on paper. Soon though I wouldn’t doubt it.

Edit

Epo, we discussed in my phys class this year and our professor argued it probably does not help any where near as much as people think. Tissue oxygen delivery is going to depend in rate of delivery of blood as well as how much oxygen it can carry. More hematocrit more oxygen carrying but also the blood becomes more viscous and slows [/quote]

They also tell you roids will kill you and make you suicidal…EPO works maybe even better than the people who think it works thinks

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:

Which one of these advertises itself as a sport…?[/quote]

I think this is OK, considering CF competition involves physical feats.[/quote]

I’m not sure why you’re only quoting part of what I said except to purposefully take it out of context. I would have no contention saying the crossfit games are as much a sport as any other.

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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
hot damn there are some emotional people on here…

I really believe that froning is on something. I talk to a lot of coaches and they just cant wrap their heads around a natural athlete claiming to have a work load like that and surviving.

The dude just won for the 3rd time in a row.

I was really asking if they would be normal gains, not being sarcastic.

The piss test is shit, never said it wasn’t. Im one of the reasons CF started testing in the first place because I voiced concern over female athletes.

I fully believe CF would hide athletes testing positive…because I was at the fucking lunch when HQ was talking about it…

As to our gym member everyone is fucking up in arms about for reading my statement literally, he kid has some kind enlarged heart (condition), its not normal size. How Dr.s explained it to him was that he has “basically two hearts” a heart that does 2xs the work, because its slightly abnormally larger.

They were worried that during exercise his heart would give out OR that he was able to maintain a level of conditioning not seen in regular people. His endurance ability is amazing, his fatigue is super low, he just goes and goes and goes. Does this mean he literally has to heart? no fucking way, and you shouldn’t be so sensitive when you read posts.

I think a lot of people thought I was on the CF bandwagon and froning, I am not. I would love to find the kid out, I do think he uses and hides behind his “faith” to not make it look like a big deal. Again I was there at a lunch when some of the HQ guys were discussing this same subject. I was extremely surprised as to what was said. I also know some of the top women and what they take and they have coaches that are very aware of what is legal and what is not.

As far as genetics and Olympics I was referring to these kinds of article ideas:

This was the Phelps advantage I was speaking of:
?He has a genetic advantage that cause his muscles to produce 50% less lactic acid than other athletes. This means he can work at higher work loads for longer periods.

The only reason I brought that up is CGHQ uses Fronings work history in construction as an excuse. ‘he moved concrete all day every day so that’s how he built his stamina’…literally, they told us this.

I figured at the very least hes on HGH, he also fits the profile from what other coaches have told me. His gains in the past 4 games are pretty weird, watch videos of him 4 years ago and he didn’t have the same engine. I was asking if his gains were normal, not saying. I think too many of you read my post as literal, which it was not.

[/quote]

Please just completely ignore the Phelps article and never speak of it again. That is ridiculously misleading in every way possible, and they offered nothing to support the claim.