I’m guessing “worlds kind of good at most athletic events but not great at anything” man doesn’t have the same ring to it.
This kind of gets my irk, fitness is an ability to perform a specific task. Not some arbitrary of physical ability. I’m many times fitter than a powerlifter to fight in a boxing match, but he would smoke me on powerlifts.
So many haters.
Froning is also extremely mentally tough on top of his athletic prowess. He trains his mind by swimming laps in freezing cold lakes in the middle of the winter. Not saying he is the fittest man on earth but he definitely deserves a ton of respect.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
first of all who exactly decided what defines “fittest man”? secondly as much as I despise crossfad those are some impressive numbers. Id like to know what steroids stack he uses. There was a lot of debate about crossfit and PEDs recently on ironradio podcasts and their facebook page. I also went to a lifting seminar hosted at a crossfad box and was surprised when all the guys openly admitted to either using steroids and or knowing that the top10 crossfitters are using as well. I was surprised about the crossfitters using steroids because I had a lot of preconcieved notions about them. [/quote]
Saw a piece on Froning last year where the interviewer asked about steroid use and Fronings exact response was “I don’t see how they’d help in Crossfit”. Obviously he can’t admit to being juiced to the gills for a variety of reasons, but thought that was just plain dumb. [/quote]
That’s absolutely fucking retarded. First of all, I’m willing to bet that Rich is a way better athlete than almost anyone on this forum and is stronger than at least 90%. Let’s take a look at why he wouldn’t use PEDs.
What the fuck would you even take? The sport is so highly varied that there’s no cookie-cutter test program to run. Look up Dave Tate’s video “Human Potential” on YouTube and you’ll see what I’m talking about; he says the same thing.
He’s way too involved in his faith (he’s a devout Christian) and I think it would really tear him up inside to do that to his body considering that he lives by and through his faith.
CS
With regards to being the Fittest Man on Earth title, CrossFit’s view on what fitness is as follows…
“CrossFit makes use of three different standards for evaluating and guiding fitness. The first is based on the ten general physical skills:
Cardiovascular/Respiratory Endurance, Stamina, Strength, Flexibility, Power, Speed, Coordination, Agility, Balance, and Accuracy.
The second standard, or model is based on the performance of athletic tasks, while the third is based on the energy systems (3 metabolic pathways - phosphagan, glycolytic, oxidative) that drive all human action.”
The other day I watched a replay of the last day of the 2012 games Men’s competition (Froning won). They did the following workouts -
Elizabeth (135lbs Clean followed by Ring Dips for 21-15-9 reps)
Isabel (Snatch - 130lbs x 30)
Fran (95lbs Thrusters followed by Pull-ups at 21-15-9 reps)
Definitely bad ass. I’ve done a scaled version of the Fran workout before and it’s a total mind-body fuck.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
What the fuck would you even take? The sport is so highly varied that there’s no cookie-cutter test program to run. Look up Dave Tate’s video “Human Potential” on YouTube and you’ll see what I’m talking about; he says the same thing.
He’s way too involved in his faith (he’s a devout Christian) and I think it would really tear him up inside to do that to his body considering that he lives by and through his faith.
CS[/quote]
1 - Steroids basically make you better at everything… Having a highly varied sport would be a great reason to take them because they would make you stronger and allow you to recover from a varied training program much more easily. If you can raise your deadlift from 405 max to a 600 max, suddenly 315 for reps becomes much easier.
2 - And we know nobody who is religious has ever done anything wrong (see: Every congressman ever, the catholic church, faith healers, etc…)
I’m not saying he is on, I know nothing about the man, but these two reasons are certainly not any form of evidence that he isn’t.
On a totally different note, CT has stated many times that the top Crossfit people rarely train in the manner most people associate with the sport(High rep WODs), and instead focus much more on strength work in the lifts they typically see in the WODs.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
What the fuck would you even take? The sport is so highly varied that there’s no cookie-cutter test program to run. Look up Dave Tate’s video “Human Potential” on YouTube and you’ll see what I’m talking about; he says the same thing.
He’s way too involved in his faith (he’s a devout Christian) and I think it would really tear him up inside to do that to his body considering that he lives by and through his faith.
CS[/quote]
1 - Steroids basically make you better at everything… Having a highly varied sport would be a great reason to take them because they would make you stronger and allow you to recover from a varied training program much more easily. If you can raise your deadlift from 405 max to a 600 max, suddenly 315 for reps becomes much easier.
2 - And we know nobody who is religious has ever done anything wrong (see: Every congressman ever, the catholic church, faith healers, etc…)
I’m not saying he is on, I know nothing about the man, but these two reasons are certainly not any form of evidence that he isn’t.
On a totally different note, CT has stated many times that the top Crossfit people rarely train in the manner most people associate with the sport(High rep WODs), and instead focus much more on strength work in the lifts they typically see in the WODs.[/quote]
Im confused, how would your christian values not allow you to cycle?
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
What the fuck would you even take? The sport is so highly varied that there’s no cookie-cutter test program to run. Look up Dave Tate’s video “Human Potential” on YouTube and you’ll see what I’m talking about; he says the same thing.
He’s way too involved in his faith (he’s a devout Christian) and I think it would really tear him up inside to do that to his body considering that he lives by and through his faith.
CS[/quote]
1 - Steroids basically make you better at everything… Having a highly varied sport would be a great reason to take them because they would make you stronger and allow you to recover from a varied training program much more easily. If you can raise your deadlift from 405 max to a 600 max, suddenly 315 for reps becomes much easier.[/quote]
Bingo x100
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I’m not saying he is on, I know nothing about the man, but these two reasons are certainly not any form of evidence that he isn’t.
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I’ve seen him in person and I’m saying he’s on. Besides he’d be stupid not to lol.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
first of all who exactly decided what defines “fittest man”? secondly as much as I despise crossfad those are some impressive numbers. Id like to know what steroids stack he uses. There was a lot of debate about crossfit and PEDs recently on ironradio podcasts and their facebook page. I also went to a lifting seminar hosted at a crossfad box and was surprised when all the guys openly admitted to either using steroids and or knowing that the top10 crossfitters are using as well. I was surprised about the crossfitters using steroids because I had a lot of preconcieved notions about them. [/quote]
Saw a piece on Froning last year where the interviewer asked about steroid use and Fronings exact response was “I don’t see how they’d help in Crossfit”. Obviously he can’t admit to being juiced to the gills for a variety of reasons, but thought that was just plain dumb. [/quote]
That’s absolutely fucking retarded. First of all, I’m willing to bet that Rich is a way better athlete than almost anyone on this forum and is stronger than at least 90%. Let’s take a look at why he wouldn’t use PEDs.
What the fuck would you even take? The sport is so highly varied that there’s no cookie-cutter test program to run. Look up Dave Tate’s video “Human Potential” on YouTube and you’ll see what I’m talking about; he says the same thing.
He’s way too involved in his faith (he’s a devout Christian) and I think it would really tear him up inside to do that to his body considering that he lives by and through his faith.
CS[/quote]
Great troll would read again.
Crossfit is…well…crossfit.
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Rich Froning is the Crossfit Games Champion. That’s a substantial statement to say the least.
But honestly, Crossfit has their heads up their ass with their terminology and equations that wouldn’t fly in a basic physics class… and fire coaches that speak the truth.
[quote]anothrjrzmike wrote:
Got a lot of respect for the guy’s accomplishments for sure. But calling him the Fittest Man in the World is a bit of a stretch. Best CrossFit athlete, sure.
It’s like when Outside Magazine calls the Olympic Decathalon winner the Fittest Man in the World.
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Outside referred to Trey Hardee the “World’s Greatest Athlete” in a piece they did about him before he lost to Ashton Eaton at the Games (they dubbed triathlete Mark Allen "World’s Fittest Man in the late 90’s). However they didn’t invent the title. It’s been customary since the 1912 Stockholm Games when the King of Sweden declared the winner of the Decathlon to be the “World’s Greatest Athlete” in much the same way as the winner of the 100m is traditionally called the “World’s Fastest Human”.
IMO, this carries slightly more weight in terms of history and tradition than CrossFit appropriating the title for themselves as part of their marketing engine. But this stuff is rampant. We love superlatives. “World’s Strongest Man”, “Sexiest Man Alive”, “Person of the Year”. It’s just marketing. The CF games are cool and Froning’s a beast by any reasonable standard, all hype and questionable titles aside.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
first of all who exactly decided what defines “fittest man”? secondly as much as I despise crossfad those are some impressive numbers. Id like to know what steroids stack he uses. There was a lot of debate about crossfit and PEDs recently on ironradio podcasts and their facebook page. I also went to a lifting seminar hosted at a crossfad box and was surprised when all the guys openly admitted to either using steroids and or knowing that the top10 crossfitters are using as well. I was surprised about the crossfitters using steroids because I had a lot of preconcieved notions about them. [/quote]
Saw a piece on Froning last year where the interviewer asked about steroid use and Fronings exact response was “I don’t see how they’d help in Crossfit”. Obviously he can’t admit to being juiced to the gills for a variety of reasons, but thought that was just plain dumb. [/quote]
That’s absolutely fucking retarded. First of all, I’m willing to bet that Rich is a way better athlete than almost anyone on this forum and is stronger than at least 90%. Let’s take a look at why he wouldn’t use PEDs.
What the fuck would you even take? The sport is so highly varied that there’s no cookie-cutter test program to run. Look up Dave Tate’s video “Human Potential” on YouTube and you’ll see what I’m talking about; he says the same thing.
He’s way too involved in his faith (he’s a devout Christian) and I think it would really tear him up inside to do that to his body considering that he lives by and through his faith.
CS[/quote]
Was gonna call you a “retard” but then remembered you’re 17 or so and that every 17-25 year old male on the planet thinks they have it all figured out. Then (if we’re lucky) they get out and actually see the world and all of their preconceived notions on life get shattered and they stop being so naive and inflexible.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]anothrjrzmike wrote:
Got a lot of respect for the guy’s accomplishments for sure. But calling him the Fittest Man in the World is a bit of a stretch. Best CrossFit athlete, sure.
It’s like when Outside Magazine calls the Olympic Decathalon winner the Fittest Man in the World.
[/quote]
Outside referred to Trey Hardee the “World’s Greatest Athlete” in a piece they did about him before he lost to Ashton Eaton at the Games (they dubbed triathlete Mark Allen "World’s Fittest Man in the late 90’s). However they didn’t invent the title. It’s been customary since the 1912 Stockholm Games when the King of Sweden declared the winner of the Decathlon to be the “World’s Greatest Athlete” in much the same way as the winner of the 100m is traditionally called the “World’s Fastest Human”.
IMO, this carries slightly more weight in terms of history and tradition than CrossFit appropriating the title for themselves as part of their marketing engine. But this stuff is rampant. We love superlatives. “World’s Strongest Man”, “Sexiest Man Alive”, “Person of the Year”. It’s just marketing. The CF games are cool and Froning’s a beast by any reasonable standard, all hype and questionable titles aside.[/quote]
Sort of like when Miley Cyrus and Gweneth Paltro were both declared sexiest and most beautiful women alive this year by Maxim and People, something like that right?
Not to get off topic, but that friggin’ killed me. When did a broom (with a decent face) and a 12-year old boy become the epitome of beauty and desire? At give it to a women with some curves, or a head of hair.
I don’t know if this has been covered here before, but does anyone know how the elite CrossFit athletes do structure their training? I often hear that they don’t follow the standard training that CrossFit put up on their website. I’m guessing they put a greater emphasis on traditional powerlifting and olympic lifting styles, with lots of conditioning thrown in, but I don’t know really.
They are impressive for sure, though I don’t know much about it.
I have 2 close friends who own Crossfit boxes and they have friends who work at Crossfit HQ. So they have heard some things.
Most of the top men AND ladies are on something.
Most of the top athletes have a hard core weight workout, followed by hard conditioning…crazy huh?
The “testing” program for the Gaymes is a joke, they would never fail a top person because Reebok (main sponsor) would pull out ASAP.
All Crossfit HQ cares about is cash, Glassman is a greedy little troll.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I have 2 close friends who own Crossfit boxes and they have friends who work at Crossfit HQ. So they have heard some things.
Most of the top men AND ladies are on something.
Most of the top athletes have a hard core weight workout, followed by hard conditioning…crazy huh?
The “testing” program for the Gaymes is a joke, they would never fail a top person because Reebok (main sponsor) would pull out ASAP.
All Crossfit HQ cares about is cash, Glassman is a greedy little troll.[/quote]
#3 And 4. Especially if Crossfit is in control of the testing and not an outside source, they would never do anything to hurt the brand name that is crossfit
Rich Froning is definitely a stud, but I think the crossfit definition of fitness is kept vague(yes it has a lot of words but is actually very short on substance and measurable specifics) so that you can’t disprove their fitness claims. Basically, no one can beat them in every category, so they’ll always claim superiority.
Even in the categories where a crossfitter is beaten, they claim superiority because it proves the opponent is too specialized. In short, if you beat a crossfitter at something you are too specialized and if he beats you at something you are too specialized. It’s a fantastic definition from their standpoint.
As far as body proportions, the crossfit men’s champions are:
Jason Khalipa 5’9", 210 lbs
Mikko Salo 5’9", 187 lbs
Graham Holmberg 5’11", 190lbs
Rich Froning 5’9", 195lbs
James Fitzgerald 5’9", 172lbs
I don’t have body proportions (limb length) and that really isn’t enough data to get a sure trend, but basically that’s a lot of guys that are about average size. In strength sports you get a little bit thrown off because we’re used to top competitors being so big.
As far as Rich Froning this year, he dominated in the open and at regionals, but it looks like the crossfit games have a lot of running, which he really isn’t that good at.
[quote]furo wrote:
I don’t know if this has been covered here before, but does anyone know how the elite CrossFit athletes do structure their training? I often hear that they don’t follow the standard training that CrossFit put up on their website. I’m guessing they put a greater emphasis on traditional powerlifting and olympic lifting styles, with lots of conditioning thrown in, but I don’t know really.
They are impressive for sure, though I don’t know much about it.[/quote]
I had read a while back that real trainers/owners and WOD fanatics with enough cash who could buy a franchise and run it like a health club were at odds over training methodology and system wide continuity.
My take from it was that each place is run the way the owner wants it to be run, including training methods. Some may even utilize methods selected to help their clients.
I know a gal who does crossfit games. I don’t know at what level. She is from a PL and OL background. Personally I don’t care for watching that shit. Rather watch strongman comps. Then a bunch of circus acts. I was at the gym and some idiots were literally doing circus acts in the middle of the floor. Get a fucking tent and do your stupid shit in it.
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
I was at the gym and some idiots were literally doing circus acts in the middle of the floor. Get a fucking tent and do your stupid shit in it.[/quote]
Circus acts like what? Bent presses?