Fiscal Cliff Deal Reached

[MaximusB]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Now I know why you’re making more, you’re a government leech. Did you vote for Obama with both hands out ?[/quote]

LOLOL I would be making more regardless of who signed my fucking paychecks, because unlike you Maxi-pad, I have an iota of talent and drive and don’t just sit around sulking about how unfair life is.

The real question is that since you obviously aren’t a job creator, and you certainly aren’t making more than $400k/year, why on Earth are you so adamantly against the Democratic party? It’s not YOUR money they are taking and handing out LOL[/quote]

I don’t recall every sharing my financial portfolio with anyone here, so why are you even opening your mouth about me and my financial situation ? So please STFU.

I have seen big government, not just in the US but also in my home country before I moved to here. I have NEVER seen good deeds done with government money (which is inevitably from taxpayers). I have seen such blatant thievery, lies, betrayal, whoredom, and regal fuckery on monumental levels in any other place than government. If you did this shit in the private sector, you would be in jail, or you would have a hit out on you.

I have seen laws intentionally places to emotionally manipulate the public into paying more taxes, or outright lies spoken by mayors and governors, bribes by corporations or Unions, the shit I have seen makes the Mafia look like guys singing in the church choir.

Now I have a slapdick like you, throwing the idea of higher taxes in the face of people here, as it directly profits YOU. Then you have the nerve to insult us ? Dude you deserve a blanket party.

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
The real question is that since you obviously aren’t a job creator, and you certainly aren’t making more than $400k/year, why on Earth are you so adamantly against the Democratic party? It’s not YOUR money they are taking and handing out LOL[/quote]

I don’t know about him, but I’m against a criminal mugging someone entirely unknown to me, even though it’s not my money. I’m against rape too, even though it’s not my person.

[sufiandy]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Number of people VTBalla34 helps on a daily basis: 311,591,917 (not including allies and others that might be affected by mutually assured destruction)
[/quote]

Helping 300m+ people is a good deed. If I did that for free I would certainly feel better about myself.

Just doing your job is not

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Why would I be expected to do that since I never referred to my line of work as doing a good deed?
[/quote]

If you now claim your line of work is not a good deed then this argument can be over due to my miscommunication of what you originally said.

[Zeppelin795]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

1.) The rich got the overwhelming majority of the tax cuts.[/quote]

One more time IT WAS A 5% ACROSS THE BOARD TAX CUT FOR ALL TAX PAYERS! Completely fair!

2.) Obama didn’t get rid of them because he is a corporate owned dummy.

Expalain this corporate owned fixation that some young paulies have. I’d love to hear it.

3.) I am talking about tax cuts for the ultra rich not for middle and poor class people.

The ultra rich earned their money and they don’t deserve to be punished for not only doing well but helping the country by employing people. It is not logical. You cannot harm the job creators and expect employment to pick upt. Sheesh!

4.) According to the Labor Bureau of Statistics W created 1,095,000 jobs. Not 4 MM. A huge difference!

I disagree, however even if your figure is correct (which it is not) that is 1,095,000 more jobs than the socialist idiot Obama has created.

Let me ask you a question ZEB. Do you think Nixon was a socialist?

No, just a bad President and far too liberal.

I disagree with your premise that rich people are job creators. You walk around believing you are some kind of demigod. Get over yourself!

You make a good point, it is the poor people that create the jobs. Just the other day I saw a wino out on the street begging for money. I bet he has 100 to 200 people working for him in his um…factory. LOL…sorry to burst your bubble Skippy but I am a job creator. You don’t like it? That’s called class envy. Go march up and down on wall street and whine like a little baby girl.

Fact: Small business creates about 65% of all new jobs. So get the fuck over yourself jealous bastard!

The economy is spurred on by demand not rich people.

LOL you are a comedian right? Tell me Einstein where do all these people get money to by goods and services?

Ready?

They work for some business entity, or the government which has grown under socialist Obama. However, as I said about 65% of all people work for small business. If you harm them they will not expand and there goes the recovery.

If the middle class and poor do not have the money to spend on goods and services the economy contracts. No amount of rich people can save this country. It is the middle class and poor who keep the economy running.

Don’t be dense. “Rich people” are the ones who employ people…who are the ones who spend money which expands the economy. I am not talking about some knuckle head who inherited a fortune and sits on his ass drinking martini’s. That is a tiny fraction of “rich people”. Most are small business people like me who employ…ready? About 65% of all who work. Go google it.

When you harm the job creators you harm the economy!

Got it?

[quote]The government can and does create jobs along with other things.
[/quote]

And who supports the government with tax dollars? The poor people? Nooo…the good tax fairy? Nooo. RICH PEOPLE! The top 10% pay 70% of all income tax. I know you are envious of the wealthy and apparently those who own their own business however facts are facts so…you’re going to have to live with it.

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Hey Einstein how do you sell goods and services when people do not have money to spend? Cutting social services will only drag down the economy.

Look at what’s currently happening in Europe with there austerity measures. They are falling back into a major recession with unemployment up. And people like you want to follow this model because you are married to an ideology which when is applied to the real world demonstrates the exact opposite of what is believed. The proof is right there but in order to be consistent you have to deny reality. You are a pseudo-intellectual clown who most likely gets all his info from talk-radio fools and Faux News. Just like the 4 MM jobs Bush created.

Why would anyone want to invest when there is no demand?

In terms of types of financial wealth, the top one percent of households have 35% of all privately held stock, 64.4% of financial securities, and 62.4% of business equity. The top ten percent have 81% to 94% of stocks, bonds, trust funds, and business equity, and almost 80% of non-home real estate. Since financial wealth is what counts as far as the control of income-producing assets, we can say that just 10% of the people own the United States of America. So they ought to pay the majority of the taxes.

You say “When you harm the job creators you harm the economy!” Unfortunately there is no evidence of that assertion. In fact when money is redistributed in order to make things more equitable and keep people and corporations from amassing too much power it works out better for all and democracy. This is a good reason why the major banks need to be broken up.

Do you get it?

[VTBalla34]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
The real question is that since you obviously aren’t a job creator, and you certainly aren’t making more than $400k/year, why on Earth are you so adamantly against the Democratic party? It’s not YOUR money they are taking and handing out LOL[/quote]

I don’t know about him, but I’m against a criminal mugging someone entirely unknown to me, even though it’s not my money. I’m against rape too, even though it’s not my person.[/quote]

Sixteenth Amendment

You’ve got some research to do…after all, its in the constitution and everybody knows the constitution is the bible and is always right!

[VTBalla34]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
If you now claim your line of work is not a good deed then this argument can be over due to my miscommunication of what you originally said.[/quote]

Well since I never once used the word “good deed” to describe what I did, I think you have your answer.

I am not NOW claiming it–I never claimed it in the first place!!! Sorry I didn’t say what you wanted me to say to make your argument relevant.

[Zeppelin795]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

1.) The rich got the overwhelming majority of the tax cuts.[/quote]

Such as?

Please explain the progressive tax system in your answer.

Without google, can you even name 3 additional changes to the IRC other than qualified dividends and long term capital gains that came about in the Bush era?

2.) Obama didn’t get rid of them because he is a corporate owned dummy.

I don’t believe anything is this simple, and for someone with your views you swallow up enough propoganda and bullshit “reporting” as anyone you call out for doing so.

The fact is, no one is getting to that level of office without selling out. Selling out to corporate interests and the interests of fellow life long “statesmen”. Just to get your name on the funding list you owe more favors than you can re-pay. By the time you collect enough money to spend on a primary commercial, enough party people have you in their pockets where your ideas aren’t your won anymore.

He is all about money and power, calling him a “corporate owned dummy” is a lazy thinking waste of bandwith. Obama is anything but a dummy, anything.

3.) I am talking about tax cuts for the ultra rich not for middle and poor class people.

Such as? If your talking about them, how about some details?

I disagree with your premise that rich people are job creators.

While the rhetoric around this idea is often abused by both sides, it is true. No, every start up isn’t born in the mind of a rich person, but the funding comes from, get this, people with money…

We live in a complex society with many moving parts. Rich people play an important role in the life style you are accustomed to. Get over it.

The economy is spurred on by demand not rich people. If the middle class and poor do not have the money to spend on goods and services the economy contracts. No amount of rich people can save this country. It is the middle class and poor who keep the economy running.

Lazy rhetoric at its best. Ignoring basic economics at its worst.

[quote]The government can and does create jobs along with other things. The internet was conceived and incubated in the dynamic public sector. Not the private sector!

[/quote]

no, the government didn’t create a single job involving the internet in the private sector. It released a technology into the private sector and the private sector created jobs to use the technology.

Que “semantics” post from pitt.[/quote]

In regards to the development of the internet it never would have made it in the private sector. In addition why was it fair to release that technology to only a few people so that they can make gargantuan profits off a public sector technology?

Also Nixon was to the left of Obama on healthcare. So for you to be consistent in your argument you have to call NIxon a socialist. Obviously you do not want to do that so you are stuck trying to find a way to wiggle out of this contradiction. This is what happens when you are married to a desecrated ideology.

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
The real question is that since you obviously aren’t a job creator, and you certainly aren’t making more than $400k/year, why on Earth are you so adamantly against the Democratic party? It’s not YOUR money they are taking and handing out LOL[/quote]

I don’t know about him, but I’m against a criminal mugging someone entirely unknown to me, even though it’s not my money. I’m against rape too, even though it’s not my person.[/quote]

Sixteenth Amendment

You’ve got some research to do…after all, its in the constitution and everybody knows the constitution is the bible and is always right![/quote]

You confusedly think that I am motivated by legality. My morals drive my stances. Legality has nothing to do with what I’m for or against. It is again, both sad and telling that you don’t differentiate.

And you keep making it obvious you know little about my beliefs even if that weren’t the case. So, you’re wrong even if you weren’t already wrong.

[VTBalla34]

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Now I have a slapdick like you, throwing the idea of higher taxes in the face of people here, as it directly profits YOU.[/quote]

Truth be told, my year over year salary increase is less under Obama than it was under Bush. My job security is also a bit less certain with the Dems in charge than the warmonger Republicans (well not MY job specifically because I have set myself up personally to succeed, plus that whole having talent and drive thing).

But you would have never known that because I don’t sit around sulking about my station in life and blaming others.

ahem

[quote]
Dude you deserve a blanket party.[/quote]

You gonna throw me a party big boy?

[sufiandy]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:
If you now claim your line of work is not a good deed then this argument can be over due to my miscommunication of what you originally said.[/quote]

Well since I never once used the word “good deed” to describe what I did, I think you have your answer.

I am not NOW claiming it–I never claimed it in the first place!!! Sorry I didn’t say what you wanted me to say to make your argument relevant.[/quote]

My argument was simply that you don’t help 300m+ people per day, or even 1 for that matter with your job. Outside job maybe but I wasn’t arguing those.

[VTBalla34]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You confusedly think that I am motivated by legality. My morals drive my stances. Legality has nothing to do with what I’m for or against. It is again, both sad and telling that you don’t differentiate.

And you keep making it obvious you know little about my beliefs even if that weren’t the case. So, you’re wrong even if you weren’t already wrong.[/quote]

Maybe you should write your Congressman?

[VTBalla34]

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

My argument was simply that you don’t help 300m+ people per day, or even 1 for that matter with your job. Outside job maybe but I wasn’t arguing those.[/quote]

Ok Lucy…you are only helping if you don’t get paid for it? Got it.

[Zeppelin795]

[quote]Xav wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

No big business monopolies is the disease and both parties are owned by them and that is the disease.
[/quote]

There are laws that prevent businesses from becoming monopolies. That’s the point of businesses: competition to have a high productivity and a good quality / price ratio. Maybe a business monopoly might exist, but it’s the exception…

The vast majority, if not all, of the monopolies that exist in the world are government-run leading to inefficiency due to the lack of competition. Competing with the government is impossible.

EDIT: I forgot to add that I really do not understand how you can speak of “corporate media”. The vast majority of the media has a huge left wing bias…
[/quote]

Try the finance sector, big pharma just to name a few. Well entrenched monopolies. They exist and have an unfair advantage over everyone else and do a net harm to the population of the U.S.

The corporate media exists. I think there are only 6 major companies that own over 80% of the news outlets. They are there to further their own agenda which is often at odds with the public. They continually tell you things they want you to hear. The news is filtered to represent a narrow point of view for the elites. The NY Times is often referred to as liberal. But they led the drumbeat for the immoral Iraqi war. When you know that GE is a major defense contractor who makes billions off war and that they own the NY Times is it any wonder? So no the corporate media is not liberal it is biased to those who own it. And who are they?

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You confusedly think that I am motivated by legality. My morals drive my stances. Legality has nothing to do with what I’m for or against. It is again, both sad and telling that you don’t differentiate.

And you keep making it obvious you know little about my beliefs even if that weren’t the case. So, you’re wrong even if you weren’t already wrong.[/quote]

Maybe you should write your Congressman?[/quote]

Again, what makes you assume I haven’t?

[csulli]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
The real question is that since you obviously aren’t a job creator, and you certainly aren’t making more than $400k/year, why on Earth are you so adamantly against the Democratic party? It’s not YOUR money they are taking and handing out LOL[/quote]

It is though. I am only 24, I don’t even make that much money, but the government still takes a pretty sizable sum of it, and you’re crazy if you think I’ll ever see a cent of the money they’re taking from me for social security. I’m not saying the Republicans would be any better, because neither of the fucking parties is going to get rid of social security for me, but still… the government is taking money from me and giving it to some old motherfucker.

Also, I don’t like how much of my money they need to take for other shit. The logic behind voting Republican is in the hopes that they’ll spend less money, reduce the deficit, and therefore feel less need to take mine to buy their way out. I’m sure that’s wrong too, because both parties are probably just going to spend all the money they can imagine and get every penny they can squeeze out of me.

Anyway… that’s the logic I think. My taxes have gone up, my health insurance has gotten worse, and my pay has increased at a slower rate than previous since Obama took office. Financially my life is more difficult than it used to be. That’s just been my experience. I’m sure other people are having a great time.

[VTBalla34]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Again, what makes you assume I haven’t?[/quote]

Some of your posts make me wonder if you CAN write.

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Again, what makes you assume I haven’t?[/quote]

Some of your posts make me wonder if you CAN write.[/quote]

I am better at calculus than spelling. One point for you.

[MaximusB]

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Now I have a slapdick like you, throwing the idea of higher taxes in the face of people here, as it directly profits YOU.[/quote]

Truth be told, my year over year salary increase is less under Obama than it was under Bush. My job security is also a bit less certain with the Dems in charge than the warmonger Republicans (well not MY job specifically because I have set myself up personally to succeed, plus that whole having talent and drive thing).

But you would have never known that because I don’t sit around sulking about my station in life and blaming others.

ahem

Dude you deserve a blanket party.[/quote]

You gonna throw me a party big boy?

You never know, dreams do come true.

[Zeppelin795]

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

1.) The rich got the overwhelming majority of the tax cuts.[/quote]

Such as?

Please explain the progressive tax system in your answer.

Without google, can you even name 3 additional changes to the IRC other than qualified dividends and long term capital gains that came about in the Bush era?

2.) Obama didn’t get rid of them because he is a corporate owned dummy.

I don’t believe anything is this simple, and for someone with your views you swallow up enough propoganda and bullshit “reporting” as anyone you call out for doing so.

The fact is, no one is getting to that level of office without selling out. Selling out to corporate interests and the interests of fellow life long “statesmen”. Just to get your name on the funding list you owe more favors than you can re-pay. By the time you collect enough money to spend on a primary commercial, enough party people have you in their pockets where your ideas aren’t your won anymore.

He is all about money and power, calling him a “corporate owned dummy” is a lazy thinking waste of bandwith. Obama is anything but a dummy, anything.

3.) I am talking about tax cuts for the ultra rich not for middle and poor class people.

Such as? If your talking about them, how about some details?

I disagree with your premise that rich people are job creators.

While the rhetoric around this idea is often abused by both sides, it is true. No, every start up isn’t born in the mind of a rich person, but the funding comes from, get this, people with money…

We live in a complex society with many moving parts. Rich people play an important role in the life style you are accustomed to. Get over it.

The economy is spurred on by demand not rich people. If the middle class and poor do not have the money to spend on goods and services the economy contracts. No amount of rich people can save this country. It is the middle class and poor who keep the economy running.

Lazy rhetoric at its best. Ignoring basic economics at its worst.

[quote]The government can and does create jobs along with other things. The internet was conceived and incubated in the dynamic public sector. Not the private sector!

[/quote]

no, the government didn’t create a single job involving the internet in the private sector. It released a technology into the private sector and the private sector created jobs to use the technology.

Que “semantics” post from pitt.[/quote]

I didn’t mean Obama was dumb like W. Obviously he is educated. I should have used the word puppet which is much more accurate.

And unfortunately for you it is YOU who is ignoring basic economics. Tell me who invests money in anything if there is little purchasing power among the middle class? Little demand leads to a contraction of the economy. All one needs to do is watch the current state of the European economy. Austerity measures have been taken and unemployment is up, people are rioting and the economy is contracting. A real world example of those who are in power and the sheep that follow them are prescribing for the U.S.

The Grand Bargain for the fiscal cliff that was recently reached was very good for the rich. The Bush-era tax cuts were made permanent. Any estate worth 5MM or less will not be taxed. Cap gains for those in the 400k range are only 15%. And for those who are over that mark it slightly went up to 20%. The unemployment benefits were extended, which is good. However, payroll tax went up 2% and this will do nothing but help to drag the economy downward as it gives the middle class less to spend.

Finance is needed to grease the wheels of the economy but it is not intended to be a be all end all unto itself. And this is what happened. It has become very insular.

[Zeppelin795]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

1.) The rich got the overwhelming majority of the tax cuts.[/quote]

One more time IT WAS A 5% ACROSS THE BOARD TAX CUT FOR ALL TAX PAYERS! Completely fair!

2.) Obama didn’t get rid of them because he is a corporate owned dummy.

Expalain this corporate owned fixation that some young paulies have. I’d love to hear it.

3.) I am talking about tax cuts for the ultra rich not for middle and poor class people.

The ultra rich earned their money and they don’t deserve to be punished for not only doing well but helping the country by employing people. It is not logical. You cannot harm the job creators and expect employment to pick upt. Sheesh!

4.) According to the Labor Bureau of Statistics W created 1,095,000 jobs. Not 4 MM. A huge difference!

I disagree, however even if your figure is correct (which it is not) that is 1,095,000 more jobs than the socialist idiot Obama has created.

Let me ask you a question ZEB. Do you think Nixon was a socialist?

No, just a bad President and far too liberal.

I disagree with your premise that rich people are job creators. You walk around believing you are some kind of demigod. Get over yourself!

You make a good point, it is the poor people that create the jobs. Just the other day I saw a wino out on the street begging for money. I bet he has 100 to 200 people working for him in his um…factory. LOL…sorry to burst your bubble Skippy but I am a job creator. You don’t like it? That’s called class envy. Go march up and down on wall street and whine like a little baby girl.

Fact: Small business creates about 65% of all new jobs. So get the fuck over yourself jealous bastard!

The economy is spurred on by demand not rich people.

LOL you are a comedian right? Tell me Einstein where do all these people get money to by goods and services?

Ready?

They work for some business entity, or the government which has grown under socialist Obama. However, as I said about 65% of all people work for small business. If you harm them they will not expand and there goes the recovery.

If the middle class and poor do not have the money to spend on goods and services the economy contracts. No amount of rich people can save this country. It is the middle class and poor who keep the economy running.

Don’t be dense. “Rich people” are the ones who employ people…who are the ones who spend money which expands the economy. I am not talking about some knuckle head who inherited a fortune and sits on his ass drinking martini’s. That is a tiny fraction of “rich people”. Most are small business people like me who employ…ready? About 65% of all who work. Go google it.

When you harm the job creators you harm the economy!

Got it?

[quote]The government can and does create jobs along with other things.
[/quote]

And who supports the government with tax dollars? The poor people? Nooo…the good tax fairy? Nooo. RICH PEOPLE! The top 10% pay 70% of all income tax. I know you are envious of the wealthy and apparently those who own their own business however facts are facts so…you’re going to have to live with it.

[/quote]

Also Nixon was to the left of Obama on healthcare. So for you to be consistent in your argument you have to call NIxon a socialist. Obviously you do not want to do that so you are stuck trying to find a way to wiggle out of this contradiction. This is what happens when you are married to a desecrated ideology.