Fiscal Cliff Deal Reached

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. I spent time really pondering.

I agree wholeheartedly that people are just not equal and never will be. And the notion of the “handicapper general” is a ridiculous one. It’s been said that if all the money were evenly distributed, it would largely be right back in the hands it’s in now within a short time. And it’s not surprising why.

My views are largely informed by the community I live in: extremely affluent and empty-hearted souls. Elitist, entitled women who don’t work and pay people to do all their bidding: housecleaners, nannies, nail technicians, personal trainers. And then send emails out about the inequity of their taxes potentially being raised. Really annoys the hell outta me. Seems like something is lost when hard work is removed from the equation.

Carry on.[/quote]

Perhaps this is true, but there husbands are our working their ass off to make the money…no?

And those people who “do their bidding” have jobs because of these “entitled” people…no?

Gotta think a little more big picture than hating some rich lady who looked down her nose at you.

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
My views are largely informed by the community I live in: extremely affluent and empty-hearted souls. Elitist, entitled women who don’t work and pay people to do all their bidding: housecleaners, nannies, nail technicians, personal trainers. And then send emails out about the inequity of their taxes potentially being raised. Really annoys the hell outta me. Seems like something is lost when hard work is removed from the equation.

[/quote]

Ah, but “those who marry for money, earn every penny.”*

It sounds like you resent trophy-type wives, which I understand. In fact, if I was guessing, I would suspect you are a personal trainer for more than a few, or at least know their personal trainers well.

And I really do understand your dislike.

I’ve often heard “your Jooooo lawyer is on the phone” over a muffled phone as such a woman calls to her husband, who is typicaly a VERY hard working guy, often geeky, that was insnared by the wiles of a good-looking, silicone enhanced, but seriously bitchy, social climber who thinks her poop does not stink.

I swallow my pride, do my work, and smile at the bitch charmingly when she comes in and abuses my office staff.

Getting back at these women by taking their money (let’s face it: probably their husband’s hard-earned money) because, well, they suck, however, is not good ecomomics.

If you want to help the gardners and maids of the world, you want these ladies to have lots of disposable income, buy lots of stupid crap, and employ lots of poor folk so that said poor folk’s sons and daughters can have a future.

And I say this as a guy who knows how this work.

All of my grandparents, and all my wives’ grandparents, had EVERYTHING but their lives taken away from them by the Nazis or their allies. Successful businesses, just stolen. We were the literal “wretched refuse teeming to be free” that washed up on the shores. No speaky English. Beards. Funny religion. Foreign. Some skinny and traumatized by living through death camps. Families all dead.

In two different countries, the United States and Israel, we just started over.

My grandmother (dad’s mom), was a maid for a newly-rich lady in Syracuse, NY, who hated her, said bitch’s husband who repeatedly grabbed my gandma’s ass — and worse. Both of them repeatedly told my grandma she was going to Hell because she was not a Christian and berated her for her religion. Fired her abruptly after 10 years for taking Rosh Hashana off to pray.

Well, I am happy those people were rich and crappy people.

This meant they couldn’t get any help but a Yiddish-speaking Jewess with an infant boy that no one else would hire.

But for those people being rich and crappy, my grandparents could not have earned money to make Aliyah to Israel and start a little restaurant on a beach in Gush Katiff; that infant boy, my dad, couldn’t have gone to MIT (and then IBM — indeed, run a division of IBM back before home computers), and I couldn’t have gone to MIT, in turn.

I am now far more successful than those nasty folks were, as are all my siblings. My four elder daughters are proud IDF veterans and two going to be medical doctors. I can support my new wife (I was widowed) because she, a doctor, choses to work for little or no money — she works in arab-occupied Gaza reversing “female circumcisions” and other barbarities, and probably does more to bring peace in the area than one could suspect.

All impossible, but for such horrid folk.

So don’t resent them. Pray for them to be richer than Soloman, so they can give the next grandma her start.

  • “Rabbi” Ben Stein

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
My views are largely informed by the community I live in: extremely affluent and empty-hearted souls. Elitist, entitled women who don’t work and pay people to do all their bidding: housecleaners, nannies, nail technicians, personal trainers. And then send emails out about the inequity of their taxes potentially being raised. Really annoys the hell outta me. Seems like something is lost when hard work is removed from the equation.

[/quote]

Ah, but “those who marry for money, earn every penny.”*

It sounds like you resent trophy-type wives, which I understand. In fact, if I was guessing, I would suspect you are a personal trainer for more than a few, or at least know their personal trainers well.

And I really do understand your dislike.

I’ve often heard “your Jooooo lawyer is on the phone” over a muffled phone as such a woman calls to her husband, who is typicaly a VERY hard working guy, often geeky, that was insnared by the wiles of a good-looking, silicone enhanced, but seriously bitchy, social climber who thinks her poop does not stink.

I swallow my pride, do my work, and smile at the bitch charmingly when she comes in and abuses my office staff.

Getting back at these women by taking their money (let’s face it: probably their husband’s hard-earned money) because, well, they suck, however, is not good ecomomics.

If you want to help the gardners and maids of the world, you want these ladies to have lots of disposable income, buy lots of stupid crap, and employ lots of poor folk so that said poor folk’s sons and daughters can have a future.

And I say this as a guy who knows how this work.

All of my grandparents, and all my wives’ grandparents, had EVERYTHING but their lives taken away from them by the Nazis or their allies. Successful businesses, just stolen. We were the literal “wretched refuse teeming to be free” that washed up on the shores. No speaky English. Beards. Funny religion. Foreign. Some skinny and traumatized by living through death camps. Families all dead.

In two different countries, the United States and Israel, we just started over.

My grandmother (dad’s mom), was a maid for a newly-rich lady in Syracuse, NY, who hated her, said bitch’s husband who repeatedly grabbed my gandma’s ass — and worse. Both of them repeatedly told my grandma she was going to Hell because she was not a Christian and berated her for her religion. Fired her abruptly after 10 years for taking Rosh Hashana off to pray.

Well, I am happy those people were rich and crappy people.

This meant they couldn’t get any help but a Yiddish-speaking Jewess with an infant boy that no one else would hire.

But for those people being rich and crappy, my grandparents could not have earned money to make Aliyah to Israel and start a little restaurant on a beach in Gush Katiff; that infant boy, my dad, couldn’t have gone to MIT (and then IBM — indeed, run a division of IBM back before home computers), and I couldn’t have gone to MIT, in turn.

I am now far more successful than those nasty folks were, as are all my siblings. My four elder daughters are proud IDF veterans and two going to be medical doctors. I can support my new wife (I was widowed) because she, a doctor, choses to work for little or no money — she works in arab-occupied Gaza reversing “female circumcisions” and other barbarities, and probably does more to bring peace in the area than one could suspect.

All impossible, but for such horrid folk.

So don’t resent them. Pray for them to be richer than Soloman, so they can give the next grandma her start.

  • “Rabbi” Ben Stein[/quote]

Great post.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
My views are largely informed by the community I live in: extremely affluent and empty-hearted souls. Elitist, entitled women who don’t work and pay people to do all their bidding: housecleaners, nannies, nail technicians, personal trainers. And then send emails out about the inequity of their taxes potentially being raised. Really annoys the hell outta me. Seems like something is lost when hard work is removed from the equation.

[/quote]

Ah, but “those who marry for money, earn every penny.”*

It sounds like you resent trophy-type wives, which I understand. In fact, if I was guessing, I would suspect you are a personal trainer for more than a few, or at least know their personal trainers well.

And I really do understand your dislike.

I’ve often heard “your Jooooo lawyer is on the phone” over a muffled phone as such a woman calls to her husband, who is typicaly a VERY hard working guy, often geeky, that was insnared by the wiles of a good-looking, silicone enhanced, but seriously bitchy, social climber who thinks her poop does not stink.

I swallow my pride, do my work, and smile at the bitch charmingly when she comes in and abuses my office staff.

Getting back at these women by taking their money (let’s face it: probably their husband’s hard-earned money) because, well, they suck, however, is not good ecomomics.

If you want to help the gardners and maids of the world, you want these ladies to have lots of disposable income, buy lots of stupid crap, and employ lots of poor folk so that said poor folk’s sons and daughters can have a future.

And I say this as a guy who knows how this work.

All of my grandparents, and all my wives’ grandparents, had EVERYTHING but their lives taken away from them by the Nazis or their allies. Successful businesses, just stolen. We were the literal “wretched refuse teeming to be free” that washed up on the shores. No speaky English. Beards. Funny religion. Foreign. Some skinny and traumatized by living through death camps. Families all dead.

In two different countries, the United States and Israel, we just started over.

My grandmother (dad’s mom), was a maid for a newly-rich lady in Syracuse, NY, who hated her, said bitch’s husband who repeatedly grabbed my gandma’s ass — and worse. Both of them repeatedly told my grandma she was going to Hell because she was not a Christian and berated her for her religion. Fired her abruptly after 10 years for taking Rosh Hashana off to pray.

Well, I am happy those people were rich and crappy people.

This meant they couldn’t get any help but a Yiddish-speaking Jewess with an infant boy that no one else would hire.

But for those people being rich and crappy, my grandparents could not have earned money to make Aliyah to Israel and start a little restaurant on a beach in Gush Katiff; that infant boy, my dad, couldn’t have gone to MIT (and then IBM — indeed, run a division of IBM back before home computers), and I couldn’t have gone to MIT, in turn.

I am now far more successful than those nasty folks were, as are all my siblings. My four elder daughters are proud IDF veterans and two going to be medical doctors. I can support my new wife (I was widowed) because she, a doctor, choses to work for little or no money — she works in arab-occupied Gaza reversing “female circumcisions” and other barbarities, and probably does more to bring peace in the area than one could suspect.

All impossible, but for such horrid folk.

So don’t resent them. Pray for them to be richer than Soloman, so they can give the next grandma her start.

  • “Rabbi” Ben Stein[/quote]

Great post.[/quote]

Great post, indeed.

I got my start by taking care of ski houses for absentee rich people, teaching people how to ride horses, teaching people how to ski, and serving in the Army. Happy to have rich people.

Didn’t resent them, a bit. I did have sex with their daughters and even the occassional wife, but I did that because they were hot and bored, not becaue I resented them.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Whether Nixoncare passed or not is beside the point. He introduced it. So does that mean Nixon was a socialsit?[/quote]

Nixon was from the left end of Republican politics at the time, with strong centralization and socialist tendancies.

Basically Bill Clinton without the whores and lies under oath.[/quote]

I made the assertion because people (Zeb is who I was directing this to) refer to Obama as a socialist, which is an absolute joke! They use Obamacare as major proof. So if that makes him a socialist then it follows that Nixon was as well.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Everyone should ease up a bit from the “people getting welfrare are people sitting around playing video games and making illegitimate babies” rhetoric.[/quote]

I see it on a daily basis and I won’t be easing up on it any time soon. The very people who are collecting welfare are the ones with the cigarette hanging from their mouths and a case of beer in the back seat of their car. And yes more kids than they should have had. We’ve have encouraged these people to become lazy by giving them things that they did not earn and do not deserve. And we’ve punished the hard working people by taking money from them to encourage this entitlement mentality from the welfare crowd.

This country took a huge step backwards with LBJ’s war on poverty. He was the single worst modern day President. And now Obama is adding to the pain.

I don’t. Maybe this has to do where we live. In addition people pay into system and once they begin to collect they receive some of it back. So to make a blanket assertion that they do absolutely nothing to receive these benefits isn’t true. Taking these benefits away will harm the economy. These people spend virtually every dime they get on food, rent and/or mortgage.

[/quote]

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Thanks for all the responses. I spent time really pondering.

I agree wholeheartedly that people are just not equal and never will be. And the notion of the “handicapper general” is a ridiculous one. It’s been said that if all the money were evenly distributed, it would largely be right back in the hands it’s in now within a short time. And it’s not surprising why.

My views are largely informed by the community I live in: extremely affluent and empty-hearted souls. Elitist, entitled women who don’t work and pay people to do all their bidding: housecleaners, nannies, nail technicians, personal trainers. And then send emails out about the inequity of their taxes potentially being raised. Really annoys the hell outta me. Seems like something is lost when hard work is removed from the equation.

Carry on.[/quote]

Hey you know there’s no problem in posting up like you did, although I concede that my first long post was much more animatedly ranting than it was supposed to be. It was an honest inquiry, those I don’t mind (nor do most people here who you were asking for input). As for myself, you would probably still classify myself as “poor” even though I have a nice place to live and good food, and movies and a smartphone…but I still stand by the richer folks perspective lol :wink: . Tongue in cheek obviously–because clearly the only people who could ever disagree with the increased taxing of the rich are the evil rich…not middle class and poor folks. Noooo.

Anyway, its not any easy question…but think about it this way–you could take every single penny from every single one of the “rich folks”, and it would STILL only pay for a year to a year and a half of the federal deficit. THAT is unjust. That is completely unsustainable and it’s not the rich people faults, nor will taxing them more work–if you took every dime they had earned/saved and you STILL could only pay for 1.5 yeats of the deficit, what good is taxing them more realistically going to do? THAT is how much waste there is in the govt. As I said elsewhere, I am a team player…always have been, always will be. If the govt showed it was seriously fixing its own problems, I would totally be ok kicking in more of my own “poor” money into the pot to help…but it doesn’t. They aren’t REALLY serious about fixing things. And it is unjist to do ehst they want to do, not to mention my post above about all the dumbasses I have lived arpund, and all of them put there in “activism” for the occupy cause.

Jewbacca, unbelievable post. That is an incredible–and hard–family history and story. And thats why I dont hate rich people…and thats the value of work ethic instead of occuoy activism–one seeks to attain, one seeks to be given thru “reimbursement” the fruits of others. Ultimately only one of those philosophies will be truly successful, and it’s the one who is willing to work 70 hours a week for their kids, or education (my friend in vet school, all on her own without parents who can help). The other is hamstrung by their unwillingness to change znything about themselves to rise to the challenge…instead they want the challenge brought down to their liking, and this thru other people’s money.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Jewbacca, unbelievable post. [/quote]

I have to agree, again.

Unfortunately, the ones who agree with JB are the only ones who read him.

Those who would actually learn something from that post won’t bother to read it.


Someone left this in a San Francisco restaurant today, kinda funny…

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Someone left this in a San Francisco restaurant today, kinda funny…

[/quote]

Yeah, so hilarious. I’m sure the waiter or bartender will remember this douchebag the next time they come in and cut down on the service they will receive. Cheap ass will wonder why.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Someone left this in a San Francisco restaurant today, kinda funny…

[/quote]

Yeah, so hilarious. I’m sure the waiter or bartender will remember this douchebag the next time they come in and cut down on the service they will receive. Cheap ass will wonder why.[/quote]

But that is all he can do.

And if the patron decides not to visit his place of employment again he loses his job eventually.

That is so wonderfully egalitarian and democratic about the free market.

Everyone can walk away at any given time.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Someone left this in a San Francisco restaurant today, kinda funny…

[/quote]

Yeah, so hilarious. I’m sure the waiter or bartender will remember this douchebag the next time they come in and cut down on the service they will receive. Cheap ass will wonder why.[/quote]

Agree.

They needed to go someplace with a Drive-Thru or pick-up…not a full-service Restaurant.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Someone left this in a San Francisco restaurant today, kinda funny…

[/quote]

Yeah, so hilarious. I’m sure the waiter or bartender will remember this douchebag the next time they come in and cut down on the service they will receive. Cheap ass will wonder why.[/quote]

Agree.

They needed to go someplace with a Drive-Thru or pick-up…not a full-service Restaurant.

Mufasa[/quote]

Nobody needs to do anything.

There are people who think that they can fleece other people at gunpoint but that those people will not change their behavior in the non government coerced sectors of society.

That, is utterly, painfully, idiotic.

Plus, if the one in question frequents only drive throughs from now on, snobby waiter is unemployed.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Someone left this in a San Francisco restaurant today, kinda funny…

[/quote]

Yeah, so hilarious. I’m sure the waiter or bartender will remember this douchebag the next time they come in and cut down on the service they will receive. Cheap ass will wonder why.[/quote]

I doubt it. The patron will be forgotten, while the lesson learned by the waiter will not.

You get farther in life offering honey than you do vinegar.

And like Orion pointed out, people will simply choose another place.

He who wields the cash is the king, because so many options mean the asshole is always on the losing side of the equation.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Someone left this in a San Francisco restaurant today, kinda funny…

[/quote]

Yeah, so hilarious. I’m sure the waiter or bartender will remember this douchebag the next time they come in and cut down on the service they will receive. Cheap ass will wonder why.[/quote]

Agree.

They needed to go someplace with a Drive-Thru or pick-up…not a full-service Restaurant.

Mufasa[/quote]

LOL, yeah and when everyone thinks like this, the restaurant goes under and the waiter loses his job.

Great solution.

Everyone will not think like this…only people who choose to blame the President for not leaving a tip.

My Mom dealt with cheapskates like this for YEARS as a Waitress.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Everyone will not think like this…only people who choose to blame the President for not leaving a tip.

My Mom dealt with cheapskates like this for YEARS as a Waitress.

Mufasa[/quote]

Silly wishful thinking.

Here is the situation

Person A:

I used to have X in disposable income. Now I have Y less disposable income. I can do one of two things:

  1. Not go out ot eat anymore
  2. Tip less if I do

Now, the service person is hurt either way. But 500-700 people in a town choose option 1, and that service person either has less shifts or no job.

My point has zero to do with a stupid president. You want my point to be about a president so you can ignore simple economics. Zeplin up there, when he isn’t ignoring posts that his bias can’t address, will just say the government should give people handouts so they can dine out more, ignoring the fact that is a next zero, because he too wants this to be about a president and ignore basic economics.

But what do I know, I want to keep what I earn and give my kids more opportuinity than I had, I guess my priorities are “all fucked up”.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Everyone will not think like this…only people who choose to blame the President for not leaving a tip.

My Mom dealt with cheapskates like this for YEARS as a Waitress.

Mufasa[/quote]

I do have to agree with the sentiment that this person was just an ass for not tipping, presumably because of something totally unrelated to service received. Of course it would be another thing if he got horrible service from a waiter/waitress that kept going off about how left-wing they are, and wouldn’t shut up about politics to the customer, etc…then something like this might be understandable. But I doubt that was the case.

If they went to a full-service restaurant, they should factor in the money expected to tip. If they honestly couldn’t afford it, they’re just being dumb by going there in the first place.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Everyone will not think like this…only people who choose to blame the President for not leaving a tip.

My Mom dealt with cheapskates like this for YEARS as a Waitress.

Mufasa[/quote]

Silly wishful thinking.

Here is the situation

Person A:

I used to have X in disposable income. Now I have Y less disposable income. I can do one of two things:

  1. Not go out ot eat anymore
  2. Tip less if I do

Now, the service person is hurt either way. But 500-700 people in a town choose option 1, and that service person either has less shifts or no job.

My point has zero to do with a stupid president. You want my point to be about a president so you can ignore simple economics. Zeplin up there, when he isn’t ignoring posts that his bias can’t address, will just say the government should give people handouts so they can dine out more, ignoring the fact that is a next zero, because he too wants this to be about a president and ignore basic economics.

But what do I know, I want to keep what I earn and give my kids more opportuinity than I had, I guess my priorities are “all fucked up”. [/quote]

How dare you want to live a quality of life relative to the work you put in!