I have aquired some ephedrine tabs, 30mg each. I have never used anything to aid with fat loss and i was wondering how would it be best to approach this. How much and when should i take it, is it best to add asprin and caffeine to it if so how much?
I was thinking:
30mg Ephedrine + 300mg caffeine in the morning
30mg Ephedrine + 300mg caffeine 1 hour before training
Sod the aspirin, NSAIDs inhibit protein synthesis to “some” degree (not known how much).
The E:C ratio you’ve got there looks good, 1:10 is the standard. Test the waters at a lower dose first though, some people are hypersensitive to E:C.
All that being said, E:C is pretty crap.
this seems like it would go better under the supps and nutrition forum. Just my 2 cents.
I took ephedrine a couple months ago. I was taking 30mg a day with probably 400mg caffeine. I didn’t really get much out of it, but I had been drinking a lot of coffee before I started running it, so I don’t know how much that affected my weight loss. Oh well, maybe next time I’ll try and get some clen.
You’re gonna want to take it three times a day. And you’re probably going to be increasing that dosage over time. I say screw the aspirin, it honestly doesn’t seem to make a difference.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Now I thought that the aspirin was a worthy addition to the stack as it blocks lipogenesis, or something along those lines.
Bushy[/quote]
I’ve read the theory behind that, and it all sounds solid - but it definitely inhibits protein synth which I’d be more concerned about even when dieting. I suppose it’s six of one half a dozen of the other though.
Maybe try it both ways, as you’re supposed to run it in cycles anyway. Do it first with no aspirin, then next cycle add in 300mg aspirin. Obviously you’d need to keep diet and training comparable to be fair…
Oh and btw I didn’t find ECA to be particularly muscle sparing - despite the claims!
Its been helping me with hunger, and energy. That is all i can ask. And its cheap as hell. I take 20mg/200mg 3 times a day.
i would suggest taking it 3x a day at regular intervals just because your going to crash when the effects where off, i found that if i missed a dose by an hour i was dead tired.
maybe 25 E + 250 C i think that is the standard dose
Cheers guys. I will start low and build up. Also i have not consumed any caffeinated drinks for about 14 months, so not sure how that will effect things. My diet is very clean and i weight train every day and do cardio 3x a week, including Football practice so hopefully it will speed up my fat loss.
[quote]GSOT wrote:
I have aquired some ephedrine tabs, 30mg each. I have never used anything to aid with fat loss and i was wondering how would it be best to approach this. How much and when should i take it, is it best to add asprin and caffeine to it if so how much?
I was thinking:
30mg Ephedrine + 300mg caffeine in the morning
30mg Ephedrine + 300mg caffeine 1 hour before training[/quote]
from my experiance, dont take it after 4pm, because it may prevent from falling asleep
I wouldn’t start out with 30mg. Do half that to access your tolerance. Its best to use right before cardio in the morning on an empty stomach. Just be careful and don’t over do it. ECA kind of weirds me out a bit. I prefer clen.
I never found it to be muscle sparing either. I know Dave Palumbo doesn’t have his clients use it because of the increased cortisol levels.
It will have very little effect on fat loss. It will have a big effect on your adrenal glands if you use it enough. The only good thing I can say about ephedrine, is a pleasant stimulant for me, at least back when I could handle the extra anxiety.
Aspirin is not an NSAID-that’s Ibuprofen etc. and, yes, they do interfere with protein synthesis. Aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production outside of the cells, which, in conjunction with caffeine, greatly prolongs the thermogenic effects and increased metabolism .
Hmm, tried 30mg in the morning…and nothing…Then tried 60mg an hour before workout and felt nothing except for a little light headed, so my mate tried just 30mg and said he felt a big difference in 15mins. Anyone else not get effected by Ephedrine first time taking it or at all, or is it possible that sometimes it works and sometimes not.
[quote]GSOT wrote:
Hmm, tried 30mg in the morning…and nothing…Then tried 60mg an hour before workout and felt nothing except for a little light headed, so my mate tried just 30mg and said he felt a big difference in 15mins. Anyone else not get effected by Ephedrine first time taking it or at all, or is it possible that sometimes it works and sometimes not.[/quote]
Come to think of it I did. I was a senior in high school and I took a few minithins and nothing. Second time I took em to stay awake while driving threw Nabraska and right after I had to struggle to make it to the next rest stop without fall’n asleep.
Now if I go a while with out taking em I need to start out at a smaller dose 15mg and go up from there. Too much and I can get some bad anxiety.
LMAO, where do you live that you have to “acquire” ephedrine. I mean, I buy all kinds of shit at the drug store, but I never use the word “acquire” for toilet paper or cough syrup. I save that word for getting my hands on something illegal.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Now I thought that the aspirin was a worthy addition to the stack as it blocks lipogenesis, or something along those lines.
Bushy
I’ve read the theory behind that, and it all sounds solid - but it definitely inhibits protein synth which I’d be more concerned about even when dieting. I suppose it’s six of one half a dozen of the other though.
Maybe try it both ways, as you’re supposed to run it in cycles anyway. Do it first with no aspirin, then next cycle add in 300mg aspirin. Obviously you’d need to keep diet and training comparable to be fair…
Oh and btw I didn’t find ECA to be particularly muscle sparing - despite the claims!
I too didn’t find it to be muscle sparing, but then I have a theory regarding that… (surprise, lol).
You see, I suffer (I believe) from adrenal fatigue. Now eph is supposed to cause the release of nor-adrenaline, however I believe that if you are in a state where your nor-adrenaline receptors or output cells are a wee bit shagged from too much use/abuse, then you will produce more cortisol (the other main catacholamine) to compensate.
Cortisol however promotes central obesity and muscle wasting. Just look at cushings syndrome/disease to see what I mean.
Bushy[/quote]
I agree absolutely.
I have no idea how ECA would be muscle sparing in a “non-adrenal-fatigued” person, but certainly those of us with a little bit of a stimulant “issue” (including myself) are going to end up with cushingoid features. I’ve also stayed away from ECA in particular due to any possible link with a “steroid diabetes” type effect.
I also thought this might be why I experienced such a dramatic effect from my recent cutting cycle…
[quote]robbiminator wrote:
Aspirin is not an NSAID-that’s Ibuprofen etc.[/quote]
What?? Go and sit in the corner.