First Injection Question

Pharma / TRT
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Hey all,

Bought from an offshore supplier the following:
Andropen 275
DecaJect 200mg./ml.
Nolvadex 10mg

I’ve never done an injection before last night, but I have read online how and where to do it. I used a 23Gx1.5 needle and injected only 0.5cc of Andropen 275 for starters. I’ve been tested to reveal I have low T. So I figured this will help me.

My question: I had difficulty getting the stuff out of the vial. I injected 0.5cc air in but the plunger fought me in extracting the fluid. Finally got it though. Injected in the upper outer quadrant of the right butt cheek. No issues with the sticking but in pulling the plunger out a little to check for blood, it did not want to pull out anything so I figured it was ok and pushed it into me and pulled out the needle. About 1/2 hour later and still continuing through the next day, my butt muscle feels bruised and a little sore. Does all this sound normal and like I did it OK? Any feedback or advice would be great. - Thanks!

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Did you heat the oil before injecting? Also, a litttle soreness after injection is commom, especially with it being your first. It usually subsides in a day or two.

And Im just curious, is this your first cycle? If so, why no Test?

Jazz

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Andropen 275 is a 5 blend test made by BD. along the lines of sust, but supposed to be better.

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Oh… I dont know why I was thinkin his post was talkin about this injectable anadrol I recently heard about. Thanks Game! Sorry OP.

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Thanks, yes it is a test blend. Seemed like a good idea to me as I have low T of below 200 and I am looking at this as TRT for life. I am 42, bin snipped, and so will not be having any more kids. Plan to up the dosage to 100 mg per week and cycle in the DecaJect after a while for some gains. Figure to take the Nova daily at 5 or 10 mg as my tested Estrogen was 30 already and I don’t want it to go up any. Butt area is still a little sore; feels like a muscle bruise; nothing visible though. Was just wondering if it is normal and if it sounds like I did OK. Thanks.

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Heating the oil before injecting will solve your problems, and I’ve found a heating pad to be the best way personally.

Also, andropen has both test acetate and test propionate, which means frequent injections are required to maintain steady blood levels.

What weekly dosage and pinning schedule are you planning?

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Since I am new to this, I did not know to heat the oil first. I planned to pin once per week on the Andropen 275 at 100 mg and cycle the DecaJect at 200 mg once per week between the Andropen injections. Guess I’ll have to buy a heating pad.

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Ok, so you’re going the self prescribed TRT route.

For lower doses like this pinning once per week may work, as I believe that’s what test blends like this were created for.

Hopefully someone with experience with TRT will chime in with real world results concerning your proposed dose and schedule, as I have only used the Andropen at a much higher dose.

As far as adding the deca at 200mg/week at some point, most will recommend that you raise your weekly test dose as well. Generally a test/deca ratio of 5:3 is recommended for optimal results and to avoid sexual side effects (500mg test/ & 300mg/deca is a popular standard cycle).

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Don’t forget to drip a tiny amount of the oil on your skin first if you are planning on heating it!

I doubt a heating pad will cause it to get “hot” but a drop of oil on the injection site helps A LOT regardless.

From your description, you aspirated correctly. If you are in a vessel, blood flows out very easily.

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A couple of things that have been overlooked here. With your test blend there are both short and fast acting esters. Due to the fact that this product contains the shorter esters it should be injected a minimum of EOD (every other day). Overall not a very suitable product for TRT.

Adex would also be a much better choice to bring your estrogen levels back to the low end of the normal range.

Get some 20GA needles to pull the product out of the vial and then swap back to your 23GA prior to injecting. The larger bore will make getting the oil out eaiser and the fresh needle will be that much sharper allowing it go to in eaiser and cause less scar tissue.

A cup of warm water will work fine to warm the oil as well. Place it in there needle tip up with the pin itself not under the water.

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I think it is a suitable choice for TRT though, lillguy is right in the action of the drug and the release times… so if you compare 100mg of this stuff to 100mg of cyp, the cyp is better as gives more stable blood levels over the week.

With this stuff the 100mg is seperated into 2 or more doses… fast and slow. a good percentage it totally gone by day 5, whereas with the cyp… there will be more active drug still in the system (a long and shallow peak)

BUT if a higher dose is used, say 250mg, then you would get the benefit of fast onset PLUS a good 100mg of a slow acting test component giving stability…

Hard to explain, but true IMO, and the reason sustanon is always 250mg in medical use, but test enanth or cyp is used from 100mg.

JJ

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I did select it due to the multiple T types and release times figuring it would be good for TRT because if it. It is rated at 275mg/ml and I only injected 0.5ml to start but based on JJ’s post I will next week start injecting 1ml to get the full 275mg. I will still inject once per week though and see how it goes.

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I’ve been on TRT for 2 years through a doc myself. 120mg test cyp / week, and taking .5mg arimidex on day 0 and day 3 of week. HCG near the end of the week and it’s been working great for me - but I’m guessing you don’t need the HCG.

I don’t know how the cost compares, but I would think enanthate or cypionate would be cheaper than the andropen. It’s really helped me out in every way.

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[quote]TrueDude1965 wrote:
I did select it due to the multiple T types and release times figuring it would be good for TRT because if it. It is rated at 275mg/ml and I only injected 0.5ml to start but based on JJ’s post I will next week start injecting 1ml to get the full 275mg. I will still inject once per week though and see how it goes.[/quote]

Why do you think it would be good for TRT purposes injected once per week? You think that your hormone levels riding a roller coaster is a good idea?

If you want to run this product at 275mg per week a much more correct way to do it is to use .3ml EOD. Which will work out to 82.5mg of test per shot or just under 290mg/wk. Assuming that your test is dosed at 275mg/ml.

If you dont understand the reasoning behind this then you should do some more research regarding multi estered products and the half lives of all the different test components within the product.

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My first cycle i used andropen and pinned in my quads. Hurt the entire cycle.

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I thought the Andropen with multiple Ts would be good once per week because I read that is what it was designed for and some Ts would be more effective earlier in the week and others later in the week.

After I finish this vial maybe I’ll try straight test cyp at 100 mg or so to see how I feel it compares. I figure next week to start to cycle in the DecaJect. I am taking one 10mg Nolvadex per day; does that sound like the right amount? I currently only weigh a fairly lean 144 lbs.

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[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
TrueDude1965 wrote:
I did select it due to the multiple T types and release times figuring it would be good for TRT because if it. It is rated at 275mg/ml and I only injected 0.5ml to start but based on JJ’s post I will next week start injecting 1ml to get the full 275mg. I will still inject once per week though and see how it goes.

Why do you think it would be good for TRT purposes injected once per week? You think that your hormone levels riding a roller coaster is a good idea?

If you want to run this product at 275mg per week a much more correct way to do it is to use .3ml EOD. Which will work out to 82.5mg of test per shot or just under 290mg/wk. Assuming that your test is dosed at 275mg/ml.

If you dont understand the reasoning behind this then you should do some more research regarding multi estered products and the half lives of all the different test components within the product.
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I understand what you are saying 1005, and i agree for the purpose of building muscle and high doses, a sust/andro type drug is like running a shorter and longer dose of test at lower doses.

BUT if you read the post i made as it relates to TRT, i think you should understand my point RE: TRT dosing and effect.

The steady blood level of 100mg a week (ok twice would be better, but for those who want to, once is fine) of the longer chain ester test, and a good bosst of a shorter ester…

Take sust 250. 250mg once a week is 90mg of Prop and PhenP for the kick, but 160mg of iso and deca… which both have long half lives giving steady blood levels for the required 100mg a week with the generic comparison test Cyp.

See what i mean, this is why it was originally designed and it serves its purpose correctly at the higher dosage (for trt).

For us, it doesnt convert as usefully into bodybuilding purposes unless injected EOD to make full benefit of the shorter estered component, as it is a waste of nearly half the product otherwise.

From a purely bodybuilding standpoint you are totally right of course…

JJ