As always, thank you for your thoughtful feedback, Yuppie! I really appreciate your continued patience and the time you take to answer my many, many questions!
Did you manage to get anywhere with the HRT?
Progesterone or any other treatment?
One more question, please. I get that it’s better to take the lowest effective dose of any drug. Does more Anavar equal more size? I’m currently taking 5 mg., with a deficit of about 500 kcal. If I bump the dose up to 10 mg., keep the calorie deficit, will it result in muscle growth and greater fat loss? Is it possible to accomplish both while on cycle with Anavar? With the Winny, I focused on growth and strength and was successful. So long as I’m taking the risk, I really want to maximize the cycle. My long term goal is to continue to add muscle, I’m 124 lbs. now, and would be thrilled if I can reach 130ish - I know this will take time.
Thank you for continuing to guide me, I appreciate it so much! Happy Thanksgiving!
-Bunny
@myoscholar
Not yet, I need to do some research, but it’s on my list. Happy Thanksgiving!
When I ran Var I ate at maintenance, gained muscle and lost a tiny bit of fat. Successful recomp, I’d say. You might get more out of the AAS if you don’t drop calories too low
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Considering your period etc are slightly off track, I would try consult with your endo or doc about progesterone + oxandrolone (anavar).
5mg of real Anavar is PLENTY to start. I would try 2.5mg and see. There is no rush as I will explain below.
Men “cycle” due to the ridiculous amounts we need to take to achieve supraphysiological levels and extreme goals, whereas women (please don’t shoot me) do not really ever need to come off, provided reasonable dosing is used in an optimization regiment.
Your lipids etc will not be destroyed by 2.5mg a day and there is no real reason to come off if you are getting regular bloodwork and under the care of a doc you trust. Don’t think “Oh shit I have 8 weeks to make gains I may as well start with 10mg”.
Happy Thanksgiving to you too - it seems like one of the best American holidays lol
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You’re not going to be gaining much of anything on that steep of a deficit. Keep in mind that when men recomp they don’t have that steep of a deficit (and yours is a much higher percentage of your TDEE compared to a man) and they also use way more drugs. So don’t undertake a Sysiphean task when you have viable alternatives.
I think 5mg really should be your base here. You have lots of time to tinker and go higher if one day you want to. But for now that should absolutely be more than enough. 5mg plus a slight deficit should be a good path to recomp. If you were trying to truly cut hard then 5mg would still be sufficient.
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Thanks to the three of you! As always, great advice, and it makes sense.
@myoscholar I won’t shoot you, I come here for advice because I know many of you have experience that I’m lacking. I’m always appreciative of honesty, regardless of whether or not it’s what I want to hear.
You guys are the best and I really appreciate you! And yes, I agree, Thanksgiving IS the greatest American holiday, the BEST food!
-Bunny
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Three week update.
Not in love with Anavar, so far anyway. I’m stronger and leaner, but don’t have that Superman feeling that Winny gave me. I’ve learned that taking the dose with dinner avoids the cramping and diarrhea. I’ve developed some mild acne, no other sides. I know a few of you might give me some shit, but, I went from 6 mg. to 12 mg., and have been at that dose for about a week now. For those you that might be wondering, this is pharma grade, no question about it actually being oxandrolone. We’ll see what happens in a few more weeks, but Winny is going to hard to beat. I’ve definitely seen improvements, however, maybe my first cycle should not have been Winstrol.
I am a bit baffled.
12mg pharma grade oxandrolone should be pretty kickass.
Where I live, I have seen a lot of faked “pharma grade” products so my mind keep pointing in that direction.
Even the acne and diarrhea kind of stand out - with the latter being pretty rare.
I wish I could add more. I’ll sleep on it, but in the meantime was it from a pharmacist or a neighborhood pharmacist?
It’s from a compounding pharmacy, in the form of a troche. Was “prescribed” by an anti-aging/HRT “doctor”. I did some research in these forums and found several people that complained of diarrhea as a side.
Honestly, I was expecting A LOT more from Anavar, but wonder if my expectations were out of line based on my experience with Winstrol.
Sleep on it and let me know what you come up with. Thanks, my friend!
Winstrol is simply stronger mg for mg than anavar. The reason anavar is so sought after is the side effect profile. But you didn’t have any real issues with winstrol, so in the future it seems like you can just stick with it. But it’s worth it to try the anavar too.
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Ok.
I still find it weird you experienced sides such as acne on oxandrolone and not stanozolol.
I think it would be worth doing the 6 week course (or however long you planned) at 12.5mg and judge after how it went. Also, you probably paid an arm and a leg for pharma grade oxandrolone lol
Any positive change on body composition, increase in lean mass, and less bf is a big win.
Curious what the end result is after the cycle. The dry look of stanozolol is difficult to replicate - this is why it is powerful for angioedema.
It is possible stanozolol is more suitable for your goal, ripped jacked look, so that’s great and that adds more tools and info in your arsenal.
Not to mention it is much cheaper, and readily available, and rarely faked so that’s pretty cool.
Could also stack these two compounds.
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Thanks, @myoscholar! I’ll keep at it for a few more weeks and see what happens. If this is it, it’s a big letdown for Var. But hey, like you said, Winny is cheaper, so that’s a win!
Hey Bunny,
How are things progressing?
Hey, @myoscholar! I bailed on the cycle. The acne was making me self-conscious and my throat was getting sore, 12 mg. was too much. Rather than going back down to 6 mg. I decided it was best to bail because I wasn’t liking the anavar from the get go. I’m really disappointed with this cycle and won’t consider anavar again. I’ve been off cycle for about a week, acne is subsiding and sore throat is gone (no voice changes). I considered getting a urine or blood test to see what drug would show up in my system, but thought better of it since it might not be a good idea to have that information in my medical records. I also looked into LabMax, and don’t believe that their kits can test troches.
Thanks for checking in, I really appreciate all of you for holding my hand throughout this process!
-Bunny
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Good to hear back.
I would also be curious on a test of the compound.
Agreed about keeping out any medical or govt noses.
I would think there is a way to get a troche tested for exact active compound.
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That doesn’t really surprise me, if you count in the fact that men on average produce 6-8 mg of testosterone a day. Even if Anavar is less androgenic, that is still a lot for a woman.
Hi lordgains,
I understood what you tried to say but (and I´m not saying I´m right) shouldn´t be more apropiate to say that considering the natural average production of test in men is at least 10 times bigger than in woman, a dose of 12 mg of anavar in a woman has an aproximate equivalent to a dose of 120 mg of Anavar (or more) in men, to have a better idea of the magnitude?
Again, I´m asking not afirming anything.
Best regards!
Yes, yes, I know. You guys warned me. But I like to push the envelope, hopefully not to the point of my own detriment. I’m weighing what I want to do in the future. I really liked Winny, but did get some joint pain towards the end of the cycle. Is that permanent, or does it eventually subside?
What’s left for me? I read in another thread about Androl being decent for women, anything else I can explore?
I’ve heard that osterine can work well for women.