Alright, not THAT expensive. AAS really are interesting and tempting, but to me the side effects aren’t worth it. Though I’ll certainly hop on TRT when I’m older
He is gearing up (pun intended 
) to compete next year. His show got pushed back due to the rona so he’s switched gears and is trying to gain a little more size.
We literally just talked about this at work the other day, but I can’t remember what all he’s on. I think 3 injectables and maybe some var. all big boy doses
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Depends. Test/primo/anavar/HGH for 20 weeks? ~$1,900 if you’re not using pharma GH but choose pharma primo and test.
Test/NPP for 10 weeks with the first four on dbol, all UGL? Under $200.
There’s a pretty big chasm in pricing.
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Damn! But yeah isn’t GH one of the most expensive thing there is?
My friend did his first cycle with primo and test not long ago, 400mg of each, but I did not ask about the price ahahah
Agreed. If not for TRT I would not be doing any of it. Since my hormones are already chemically controlled it was a slight gateway for me to push the limit a bit. If I were running with decent natural levels and a functional HPTA I would NOT risk it at all. Almost every time I’ve had issues of some sort which is why I mentioned I’m pretty much done.
Sorry to derail your thread @ironbunny. I read you had issues and bailing was a wise choice. As mentioned, I’ve had some sort of issue with almost everything i’ve run outside of test solo.
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Generally speaking its around $2/iu UGL at least from what I’ve seen. The article that @studhammer wrote stated that around 4iu per day was needed for decent results but I’ve heard more if your goal is growth over just fat burning/recovery.
You guys have at it! Thanks for the support, bailing was the only way to go, albeit disappointing. I’m not giving up though!
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I’m back (again) for some of your wisdom, please. I was off of Winny for 4 days, received the 5 mg. caps, and have been taking them since. Everything I experienced with 10 mg. went away, I’m still not positive that it was virilization.
Which brings me to my questions. I’m about to close out on 8 weeks, when should I get my blood tested to see how my liver handled the winstrol (I’ve been supplementing with NAC)? I am planning to be clean for 8 weeks (is that much time necessary?), should I wait until that time passes, or get checked right after I finish the Winny?
Also, I’ve really focused on building during this time and am pretty satisfied with my progress. My body fat certainly isn’t low (17-ish%) as I’ve been keeping my calories on the higher end to focus on strength and building. What is the best strategy with food and supplements to keep as much muscle as possible? I’m not worried about being a little fluffy if it means I keep what I worked for. I’m planning to try Var for my next cycle and will take advantage of the anti-wasting properties to cut then.
As always, thank you!
-Bunny
Carb manipulation. High saturated fat intake.
I would wait a bit to get bloods, they are probably not great.
I personally don’t “care” what my LDL or HDL sits at, as long as my HDL is high.
Triglycerides are worth looking at, liver enzymes too.
I would say liver enzymes would be worth getting done now to see how much, if at all, stress your liver took.
Also to add, I would suggest you steer clear of any SARM.
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Yea, I’ve been reading up on SARMs and am not really all that interested in them. Thanks for the diet/blood suggestions!
Yep with stanozolol, oxandrolone maybe methenolone (Primobolan), depending on legitimacy of the product, you can get a pretty crazy physique.
I believe it is not easy to get in the US, however, and definitely will require more than a “bro’s” approbation.
How did you like the winny results? Overall body composition changes were what you wanted?
You dived quite deep for a first run
I feel confident with my source, so I think I’ll be good to go on the Var. Primo is something I want to explore, too, but I want to give anavar a shot first. I really liked Winny, I put on quality weight fast. My better half told me the other day that my delts were noticeably larger, my lower half has improved considerably. I’ve been struggling with calves for years and am super pleased with how they’ve come along. Definitely got the hard muscle that people rave about on Winstrol. I’ve always wanted to try anavar, but would definitely do another cycle of Winny. I kept my diet super clean, I wanted to get the most out of the cycle, and feel really good about the risk vs. reward.
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Very nice congrats. Oxandrolone is a beautiful compound.
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Hi everyone, I just had some labs done to see what my values are after completing my first cycle of winstrol (10 mg.), and wanted to know if you would please take a look and let me know if anything is unexpected. I’ve only been off cycle for three days from when I had the blood drawn. My diet was very clean and consistent for the duration of the cycle.
Total Cholesterol
Before - 171
After - 141
HDL
Before - 72
After - 31
Triglycerides
Before - 59
After - 49
LDL
Before - 85
After - 96
ALT
Before - 35
After - 27
AST
Before - 60
After - 35
I was taking NAC for the entire cycle, and assume that I should continue to take it (please let me know if I’m wrong). What are your thoughts on how long it takes for the values to come into normal range so I can get started on my next cycle?
As always, your advice and knowledge are tremendously appreciated!
-Bunny
Liver values look fine. HDL and LDL did what you’d expect them to do. I’d wait a little longer and see if you can’t get your HDL up a bit. The LDL increase wasn’t too bad, but the HDL got cut in half. How were the results?
Thanks for responding @iron_yuppie! I assume normal diet and exercise will bring cholesterol levels back to normal? Any need to continue the NAC?
I’m pretty pleased with the results. I gained quite a bit of muscle, strength went through the roof. I did get achy elbows and knees around week 6, hoping that will subside soon, otherwise no sides. I am going to give anavar a shot the next cycle, but would definitely consider stanolozol again.
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NAC is good for you all on its own, so you don’t necessarily need to stop. But at this point you don’t need it, strictly speaking.
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It’s good but watch out for the bad breath for like an hour after you take it haha
Hi guys, I’ve been off cycle for four weeks and have some questions. I’ve secured some Anavar (from a reliable source) for my next cycle and intend to take 10 mg per day, split in two doses per day, for six weeks. Here are my questions:
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Can I start the cycle now (last cycle, Winny, 10 mg lasted 8 weeks)?
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Does it matter that my female cycle hasn’t restarted? I’m done having children.
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If I do a cycle now, can I do at least one more in preparation for summer? At what point does the number of cycles per year get stupid?
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I’ve been losing weight since coming off Winny, about 4 pounds-for reference, I only weigh 124 lbs.- (I’m eating at maintenance), and have definitely kept my strength gains. I’ve read that Winny is not prone to water retention. WTH?
Thank you for your continued counsel!
-Bunny
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Yes. The difference between men and women (despite what a lot of unemployed angry people on Twitter will try to tell you) is profound. Women take such small doses that the usual limitations on cycle lengths and such are entirely changed when you have different chromosomes.
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I don’t know, I would investigate that further.
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Yes, as long as both are reasonable and you don’t overdo anything. How do you think you look now vs what you want for summer? I’d ask you to include before/after pictures but for some reason it’s so much less creepy when we ask other dudes to do that.
You should assess whether or not you need two cycles to get where you want to be or if one will do. That’s something only you can decide. -
Probably some glycogen being shed, but yeah, winstrol won’t hold water at all. It’s possible you were retaining water from something entirely unrelated.
Now, separate from your questions, I’ll add this: start out the anavar at 5mg/d for the first week or so. Assess tolerance. If you can do more with less then that’s good. Otherwise if you bump the dose it won’t much matter if you split it or take it all at once. Most guys when using 50mg take it once daily. The half life is perhaps eight hours and nobody actually notices a difference when splitting the dose.
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