Alright guys, I’m new to this forum but look forward to Everyone’s advice and encouragement!
Been doing my research on gear for about a year and a half now but always been too scared to try it. WEELLL, Just started my first cycle EVER last monday (26JUL10) and decided to go with Sustanon 250. I’ve got my Nolvadex (10mg tabs) on hand in case I start seeing any ‘warning signs’ and for my PCT. I plan on running 250mg of the Sustamed E3D for 8 full weeks, and one injection into my 9th week (ending on 21SEP10). Gonna start my PCT 2.5 weeks after my last injection and run that for about 3 weeks).
Starting weight is 176 and current body fat % is 7, so I’m hoping to get past that 190lbs mark…195lbs would be insane!
Here goes the nutrition:
0530: ON protein shake (Casein/Whey blend 45g protein)
0730: Breakfast (@ least 50g protein, 100g carbs, and 800-1000 calories)
0845: Workout (Chest + abs day, Back + traps day, LEG day, Shoulders + abs day, Arms day, rest)
1030: ON Whey protein shake (60g protein)
1230: Lunch (@ least 50g protein, 100g carbs, and 1000-1200 calories)
1500: Ultimate Nutrition meal replacement shake (55g protein, 162g carbs, 1020 calories)
1730: Dinner (@ least 50g protein, 100g carbs, and 1000-1200 calories
2000: ON Casein protein shake (50g protein)
2100: Lights out!
That nutrition plan has me roughly 350g protein, 350g carbs, and an overall caloric intake over 4,000. I’m a hard-gainer so I use the idea of 40%protein/40%carbs/20%fats, so Obviously I’m making up my fats with Saturated fats from the meat, dairy, nuts, ect…
Feel free to make suggestions or let me know what you think…
Thanks guys!
Hey dude. Sorry if I missed it but just curious what your height and age?
Also with the sust, you are gonna be much better off injecting Eod. Is there some reason that you cannot? The more frequently you inject sust, the better you will be able to take advantage of the faster acting esters such as prop. Injecting Eod will go a long ways in helping to stabilize your blood levels.
I understand it is your first cycle, so the thought of injecting Eod may be a little scary at first, but after a few short days you most likely wont even be thinking about it. Also if you are worried about soreness in the injection site, you can go to a 4 site rotation. Glute x2, Ventro Glute x2. The ventro is a little tricky to find at first, but once you do it becomes very easy and painless.
[quote]EzP wrote:
Hey dude. Sorry if I missed it but just curious what your height and age?
Also with the sust, you are gonna be much better off injecting Eod. Is there some reason that you cannot? The more frequently you inject sust, the better you will be able to take advantage of the faster acting esters such as prop. Injecting Eod will go a long ways in helping to stabilize your blood levels.
I understand it is your first cycle, so the thought of injecting Eod may be a little scary at first, but after a few short days you most likely wont even be thinking about it. Also if you are worried about soreness in the injection site, you can go to a 4 site rotation. Glute x2, Ventro Glute x2. The ventro is a little tricky to find at first, but once you do it becomes very easy and painless.[/quote]
I’m JUST short of 6ft and 25 y/o. The MAIN reason I didn’t go with injecting EOD was due to the fact that I only have 20ml of the Sust. I wanna make it last 8 weeks, and from a lot of what I’ve been researching says that as long as you don’t give it more then 3 days between injections, you should maintain the levels in your blood. HOWEVER, that’s not to say that guys who have done Sust before don’t know better…know what I mean? I’m open to advice for sure. If I run the Sust that I have EOD, then that will only run me 6 weeks, and that’a a little shorter then I’m looking for. Does that make sense to you? I DEF have noticed the pain at the injection site over the couple days following it, but I also know that’s due to the high BA in Sust. I just administered my 3rd shot today, and went with the L delt. I’m on a 4 site rotation right now, R Glute - L Glute - L Delt - R Delt. I chose the Delts due to the idea that (1) It’s a great spot with a lot of muscle mass, and (2) Even though it isn’t technically classified as a ‘site injection’ maybe it will help with those basketball Shoulders! I’m a Medic so I get shots all the time, the difference is doing it to yourself! lol. Not too bad though. I’ve been warming up the gear prior to injecting, then massaging it for 3-4 minutes, taking a little walk and then following it up with a HOT shower. My buddy tells me that it gets more tolerable once you inject the same site twice.
Thanks for your advice though. I think I’ll keep running THIS cycle E3D and see how it goes, and my next one (when I plan to run Deca with it) I’ll try EOD. Take it easy man!
You can still run your Sust EOD and keep the same weekly dose. Just use .7ml per shot instead of 1ml and viola just about the same mls/per week. Virgin muscle is always more tender
[quote]saps wrote:
You can still run your Sust EOD and keep the same weekly dose. Just use .7ml per shot instead of 1ml and viola just about the same mls/per week. Virgin muscle is always more tender[/quote]
I’m freaking retarded! lol. I should have thought to cut the dose so i can get it EOD! Thanks saps!
[quote]saps wrote:
You can still run your Sust EOD and keep the same weekly dose. Just use .7ml per shot instead of 1ml and viola just about the same mls/per week. Virgin muscle is always more tender[/quote]
I’m freaking retarded! lol. I should have thought to cut the dose so i can get it EOD! Thanks saps![/quote]
Two heads are better than one sometimes
[quote]saps wrote:
You can still run your Sust EOD and keep the same weekly dose. Just use .7ml per shot instead of 1ml and viola just about the same mls/per week. Virgin muscle is always more tender[/quote]
Alright saps, works out perfectly! You genius you! lol. If I inject .7ml (175mg) EOD that will give me EXACTLY an 8 week cycle. No injections in my 9th week at all, which is ACTUALLY better for me. I’m gonna go with this, and keep you guys updated.
BTW, today marks one week into my first cycle. Obviously no strength or size gains yet, but I understand how this works and will be looking forward to some serious results starting the end of week 3 and into week 4. Thanks for your help thus far!
So many people say this it makes me sad. IMO honestly if after one week you are not noticing something you are doing it wrong. Now I do normally advocate the frontload practice. In your case that would throw off your desired 8 week plan. But isnt it better to run 7 great weeks than 8 so-so weeks?
I realize that Sust is not the ideal choice for front loading but since its what you got you gotta go with it. So if you wanna see tangible results by the end of week 1 instead of week 4 consider putting 2mls in on your first day and then just go with your .7ml EOD protocol.
OK Maybe I was mis-reading your words but it seems you are already one week in so at this point you probably have put in as much Sust as you would have with a front load so might as well just continue with the EOD from here on out. In the future look to front load
Exactly, my first week I injected 750mg (3ml) and every subsequent week will be 525mg or 700mg depending on which week it falls (Injecting EOD obviously ends up with 3 175mg/.7ml shots one week and 4 the next.) So essentially my first week was a ‘front load’ of sorts, especially on Sustanon and for my first cycle.
Next time I do a cycle though, I will be stacking it with something else and will take full advantage of the Front load. I don’t think that one week is enough to see drastic gains, I may be wrong. Anybody else wanna comment!?
You would have to define drastic my friend. I am just over a week into a sust cycle and am already feeling a difference, but I did have a substantial front-load in my first two injections. I am up about 5 lbs (but it is probably mostly water). I feel great, and of course the gf is loving the test.
Next wk marks the start of the d-bol and tren e. Can’t wait
Yeah one week is enough time to see drastic gains. In terms of bodyweight I’ve gained 8lbs in my first week of a test front load before. Sure its water and eating but its tangible. In terms of strength one week into tren ace I’ve had significant strength gains e.g. doing a weight for 10 reps where one week ago failure was hit a 5 reps stuff like that.
Stepped on the Scale today and weighed 179lbs, so gained 3lbs in 10 days. Today’s my rest day, and I HATE it! lol. I just wanna be in the gym! You guys know how that goes. Can’t wait to get back in there on Friday and hit chest HARD. Gotta keep pushing to hit 1,200lbs during my ‘1,000lbs club’ attempt last week of September!
Food intake is proportional to scale weight gain. I can’t tell by your response if you are please with that 3lbs or disappointed. If you want it to be greater eat more and drink more water too. Also appreciate the days off, they make you mentally wanna hit it harder on the days you are in there but your body does need the rest
[quote]saps wrote:
Food intake is proportional to scale weight gain. I can’t tell by your response if you are please with that 3lbs or disappointed. If you want it to be greater eat more and drink more water too. Also appreciate the days off, they make you mentally wanna hit it harder on the days you are in there but your body does need the rest[/quote]
Oh, I was Definitely pleased with 3lbs after a week and a half. I’m a hard gainer so I know that it will take time, hard training, LOTS of food, and plenty of rest. Stepped on the scale yesterday (2 week mark), and saw 181lbs. I’m Loving this! Gains in the gym and on the scale, although I’m still at about 7% Body Fat. 5lbs in 2 weeks is 100% acceptable in my book. At this rate, I think I’m looking at gaining about 20lbs over the cycle.
7% bodyfat is actually part of your problem [if thats really a problem]. Also remember weight gain is not linear. Often times you gain more in the beginning and then really tale off. While its true you dont wanna get or gain fat just for fats sake; with your body it would probably help you if you gained some fat.
Might sound counter-intuitive but the hardness thing in the world to do is gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Second hardest is gain muscle without gaining fat. This is exactly why you see the pro bodybuilders looking so soft in the off season. This bulk and cut thing just works.
It appears you have a rapid metabolism so I’d encourage you to not fear adding fat. I mean if you gain 30lbs and 20 of it is muscle the 10lbs of fat you gain will quickly melt off you once you return your diet to your general status quo.
Try/Add this: Drink a gallon of milk [not skim or non-fat/ whole if you can drink it but no less than 2%] a day [thats per day everyday] on top of everything you listed in your diet. I guarantee you will gain weight with that and it will put you in a much better anabolic environment.
Seriously its just 2 glasses everytime you eat. I cannot drink whole milk myself so I always used 2%. But I assure you it plain old works. The last time I was bulking and cycling I did this. Combined with a frontload of long estered test I gained 8lbs the first week and 13lbs after 2 weeks.
If you wanna call it water weight or not all lean fine go ahead. But the scale increase was noted in the gym as well with lifts. Dave Tate has a great article over at elitefts about gaining weight I wish I could find it but I cannot right [will link it if I find it]. His bottom line also is eat more.
Im not saying you should not be pleased with a 5lb gain in two weeks. But how would you feel if that had been 13lbs in the same time period? This I think the reason guys complain longer test esters take weeks to kick in a]they dont front load and b] they dont eat enough.
So if you go from 176lbs and 7% bodyfat to say 210lbs and 11% bodyfat I hope you view that as a success. Its far easier to go from 210lbs and 11% and drop to 200lbs and 7% than to stay at 176 7% and gain 24lb of lean muscle without gaining any fat
[quote]saps wrote:
7% bodyfat is actually part of your problem [if thats really a problem]. Also remember weight gain is not linear. Often times you gain more in the beginning and then really tale off. While its true you dont wanna get or gain fat just for fats sake; with your body it would probably help you if you gained some fat.
It appears you have a rapid metabolism so I’d encourage you to not fear adding fat. I mean if you gain 30lbs and 20 of it is muscle the 10lbs of fat you gain will quickly melt off you once you return your diet to your general status quo.
Try/Add this: Drink a gallon of milk [not skim or non-fat/ whole if you can drink it but no less than 2%] a day [thats per day everyday] on top of everything you listed in your diet. I guarantee you will gain weight with that and it will put you in a much better anabolic environment.
Im not saying you should not be pleased with a 5lb gain in two weeks. But how would you feel if that had been 13lbs in the same time period? This I think the reason guys complain longer test esters take weeks to kick in a]they dont front load and b] they dont eat enough.
So if you go from 176lbs and 7% bodyfat to say 210lbs and 11% bodyfat I hope you view that as a success. Its far easier to go from 210lbs and 11% and drop to 200lbs and 7% than to stay at 176 7% and gain 24lb of lean muscle without gaining any fat[/quote]
I couldn’t agree and understand more what you are trying to say! I WOULD LOVE TO PUT ON BODYFAT! Just can’t do it! lol. That’s why I say it’s a blessing and a curse! last year, My old workout partner had me on a similar diet as the one I am on now. However on top of that he had me eating all kinds of crazy shit like 2 extra cheeseburgers and pizza. Obviously that is loaded with tons of trans fat, but he was telling me that with my metabolic rate, that I need to do anything possible to put that on. NOW, since you mention the milk…I’ve never tried that, but have read a lot about it. Currently I’m in Afghanistan, so I’m gonna try extra hard to get that whole gallon of milk a day. What makes it hard, is only having 200ml cartons so 19 of those make a gallon. Hard to get that many out of the dining facility. lol. Don’t worry though, I WILL make it happen!
Afghan huh. Much respect to you if you are serving. God in Heaven that must be hard to put on weight over there. I know some guys serving there and they dont even joke about the heat. Some people find greater success actually eating less total meals but just having bigger ones. That way your metabolism does not kick in as much.
The milk thing flat out works. If you have access to nuts [peanuts, almonds whatever] eat some with the milk.
Given your circumstances you are clearly compromised. Quite frankly you probably cannot achieve the kinda of results you could in a better environment. All you can do is play the cards you’re dealt
[quote]saps wrote:
Afghan huh. Much respect to you if you are serving. God in Heaven that must be hard to put on weight over there. I know some guys serving there and they dont even joke about the heat. Some people find greater success actually eating less total meals but just having bigger ones. That way your metabolism does not kick in as much.
The milk thing flat out works. If you have access to nuts [peanuts, almonds whatever] eat some with the milk.
Given your circumstances you are clearly compromised. Quite frankly you probably cannot achieve the kinda of results you could in a better environment. All you can do is play the cards you’re dealt[/quote]
Thanks man for your respect, seriously! All my gains have been made on deployments (2x to Iraq and now here in Afghanistan). That’s why I can’t stand when people complain about having to work all day and not having time to hit the gym. I say, “You make time for what you want to do” and that really is the truth man. Last deployment (May '07-Jul '08) was when I started working out and decided to make this a lifestyle, not only a hobby. Started working out in Nov '07 at 150lbs and left there at 170lbs. Only used creatine, nitric oxide, and protein and OF COURSE my body repsonded well, as it was my first attempt at getting ‘bigger’. Went home, came off supplements completely to see if I could maintain my weight, and did with in 4lbs. Deployed this time at 167 and just saw 181lbs on the scale the other day (as you know already) and really started to beat myself up about staying ‘stagnant’ while I was at home. I’ve decided to keep pushing to 210lbs, and when I get there I’ll just set a new weight goal. I decided to try my first cycle over here because 1) I got it pretty cheap, including my PCT without having to buy it online or from a source I didn’t really know, and 2) If I can achieve the desired results over here, then when I get back stateside and have NO REASON to gain, then it will only work all the better! make sense!? Anyways, thanks for staying up on this thread bro. I appreciate it.
I did as Saps says, add milk. Although I only added a halk gallon of whole milk. I also made sure to toss in a tbs or two of olive oil in nearly all the food i cooked, and when it came to protein shake time-I added 1-2 tbs of creamy peanut butter with the milk. I was worried at first that I may need a blender for the shake with peanut butter but you really dont.
As long as its creamy, nut chunky, you can just shake the piss out of it with a shaker cup. By adding pb, olive oil, and half a gallon+ per day, that eeeeasily adds 2000 cals to your diet. -Mainly good fats too not sat. Good luck, the first one should be the most fun.
If olive oil is a problem getting your hands on for whatever reason in the sand land, Canola oil is nearly the same (fats wise, cal.) -I’ve also even put the oil in my shaker cup with the protein and milk and sucked it down real fast, cant even taste it.