Just thought I would share some stuff now that I am 2 weeks in. This is my first cycle ever, fronted 1500mg test enth, running a 750/week now. biggest thing so far is workouts have been crazy!!! Strength is way up, last chest workout I hit 50x12, 75x10, 95x10, 100x8, and 110x6 on flat db bench. My previous pr was 95x5. Weight is up from 213 to 224, I suspect much is water weight.
My mood has been better than normal. I tend to be a little more agressive lately, but nothing major. No probs sleeping yet. Also, no acne thank gosh.
On the bad side, my soulders have been killing me, and i had to travel last week and forgot nova at home. Had to have a friend overnight me some, oops. Have been having a hard time getting enough clean calories down, but I’m doing my best. Came down with a cold halfway through second week, it is still lingering but I’ve been trying to kick it. The biggest problem is that I really like this stuff and already don’t want to come off! Anyways, will keep everyone updated a little later on.
I’ll admit to being completely naive when it comes to steroids. But shouldn’t you be a little more advanced than these poundages to be doing them. I know you have to start somewhere, no
dis intended really. 100*8 db flat??
This is a serious question. I know there is not a specific weight where you say ok now it’s time for roids, but
I feel most people could do this workout with some training and good nutrition. Enlighten me–please
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
I’ll admit to being completely naive when it comes to steroids. But shouldn’t you be a little more advanced than these poundages to be doing them. I know you have to start somewhere, no
dis intended really. 100*8 db flat??
This is a serious question. I know there is not a specific weight where you say ok now it’s time for roids, but
I feel most people could do this workout with some training and good nutrition. Enlighten me–please [/quote]
Eh, strength might not be his main goal, it may just be something he’s noticing right now. Without knowing his full stats and goals we can’t fairly judge him, not that we should anyway.
[quote]Zell959 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
I’ll admit to being completely naive when it comes to steroids. But shouldn’t you be a little more advanced than these poundages to be doing them. I know you have to start somewhere, no dis intended really. 100*8 db flat??
This is a serious question. I know there is not a specific weight where you say ok now it’s time for roids, but I feel most people could do this workout with some training and good nutrition. Enlighten me–please
Eh, strength might not be his main goal, it may just be something he’s noticing right now. Without knowing his full stats and goals we can’t fairly judge him, not that we should anyway.[/quote]
agreed, but those poundages for a 200+ pound guy aren’t very advanced. i also think decline dumbell press is a waste of time, but hey that’s just me. maybe he’s pretty tall…
Again I’ll show my blissful ignorance, but progress can be made through the workout. Why else would you spend the money, go thru the hassle of pharmacology if not to get stronger. Especially at his current weight. He did not list a medical situation as to why steroids, so then what other reason than strength. Don’t go off on some long-winded da da da about all the benefits of steroids. That may or may not be so. Most take them to get stronger, but my limited emperical evidence would suggest that most of these people are at a MUCH more advanced training level. This is not to blast the original poster, Do what you want when you want, it was originally just a fact finding question posed by me when I first saw it posed.
Of course I have. Don"t turn this into a negative situation–it was never intended to be. If it were about size that is what his result would have been based on, not the numbers. My original question was and still is, "are most of the users in this strength range when they begin or are they more advanced and using to bust plateaus[sp]. Stay positive–this was a learning site–and as a relative newcomer to the weights I just was looking for info. New-been lifting about 8 years 5 of them more serious the last 2 with very specific short term goals.
I understand what you’re saying Sasquatch, but there really is no average steroid user IMO. They’re all over the charts in terms of age, stats, experience, goals, current fitness/strength levels, etc.
I was ready for some flamage when I first posted this. Will try to hit all points but I’m sure I’ll miss some stuff.
First off, due to the fact that I am only 2 weeks in I don’t think I should have a big body change. So, Strength going up was just a sign that it was working and real. My main goal in this cycle was to add 15lbs lean mass while lowering bf%. Strength was not my primary concern.
Second, I am fairly tall, 6’3 to 6’4. So to get a good range of motion is a long way for me to reach. I thought I was doing ok at 95 pounds before I started. I have added 40lbs naturally since I began lifting, and while I’m sure that there was more to gain on my own, I’ve wanted to try this stuff since I started lifting, that wsa over 3.5 years ago. Like the feedback, will continue to keep posting. Thanks
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
I’ll admit to being completely naive when it comes to steroids. But shouldn’t you be a little more advanced than these poundages to be doing them. I know you have to start somewhere, no
dis intended really. 100*8 db flat??
This is a serious question. I know there is not a specific weight where you say ok now it’s time for roids, but
I feel most people could do this workout with some training and good nutrition. Enlighten me–please [/quote]
This intrigues me because you admit to everybody that you are nieve about steroids but then you are basically giving this guy grief. I feel that 20 pounds added on to a dumbell press and 15 pounds in two weeks is pretty good to me, but hey I just dont see alot of guys repping 110 pd dumbells in my gym sasquatch, these fourms are meant to be supportive buddy!!! Obviosuly you have not heard of hypertrophy.
Nice job Grabaum. My intent was not to level insults at you, it was fact gathering. I to am tall 6’4", so I know what you speak of. My biggest obstacle is in the squat. High rep squats are a real burner. Keep us informed of your progress, I am interested to see results. Make sure you find out from the guys at this site about after cycle needs. It will help both your overall health as well as keeping those gains.
Sidebar:Anyone knoe of a routine called
The 20 Squat Routine? or something similar. I’ve heard people rave about results, but not seen the program.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
I’ll admit to being completely naive when it comes to steroids. But shouldn’t you be a little more advanced than these poundages to be doing them. I know you have to start somewhere, no
dis intended really. 100*8 db flat??
This is a serious question. I know there is not a specific weight where you say ok now it’s time for roids, but
I feel most people could do this workout with some training and good nutrition. Enlighten me–please
This intrigues me because you admit to everybody that you are nieve about steroids but then you are basically giving this guy grief. I feel that 20 pounds added on to a dumbell press and 15 pounds in two weeks is pretty good to me, but hey I just dont see alot of guys repping 110 pd dumbells in my gym sasquatch, these fourms are meant to be supportive buddy!!! Obviosuly you have not heard of hypertrophy.[/quote]
I didn’t give anyone grief-read again-I simply asked about what level one begins steroid use. Naive about steroids, not weights. I certainly agree that 100 and 110lb is big weight, but I’ve seen many guys lift these poundages and none to my knowlege on drugs. As stated before and now again, it was to find out from those that do,at what level is this a more likely option.
[quote]Gnostic wrote:
Orbitalboner wrote:
uh, am I the only one here who thinks 110lb dumbell press is pretty damn good?
Man, no kidding…I’m scratching my head. I just assumed that it was misinterpreted as being flat-bench.
I don’t see many guys jerking around the 110’s for reps…When I do, I certainly don’t question their strength, or lack there of, regardless of size.[/quote]
At no point in time did I question his strength. Only relative to the decision to do a steroid cycle
You seem to be making great progress already! I tend to think you could have run your cycle with a little less test than you’re doing, but I’m sure you’ve got all the finer details sorted to keep it safe.
I’m about 9 days into my first cycle also, so I’m pretty much going through all the same stuff you are no doubt. And yeah… it’s pretty damn exciting!
One thing I’ll add about the side topic of strength above: my max ever squat has been 110kgs (242lbs), max deadlift 120kgs (264lbs), etc. Basically, I’m not very strong. I’m 6 foot but I don’t think height hinders me much.
Anyway… despite my lack of big strength (I don’t care much about increasing strength), I’ve managed to put on 26kgs (57lbs) of muscle since I began lifting 7 odd years ago.
I’m not moving fore or against anyone’s comments above, I suppose just relaying my experience of being able to add reasonable size while not being very strong. I suppose that if Grabaum’s goal has never been strength then what he lifts is irrelevant as long as he’s achieving what he set out to achieve.
Sorry to sidetrack.
Great work bud. Keep us posted!
Of course my example above begs the argument that if I’d worked on strength more I may have become bigger in the long run… but that’s a whole different debate for another forum.
Did my first quad shot on tues. This is the first time I have injected myself. One reason I always have been afraid to do this stuff is my fear of needles so it was tuff for me. Injection was a breeze and did not hurt for about a day. Now, it hurts! But it was easy for me to inject in that spot so I will use it again. My cold has still been hampering workouts but have been trying to push through, had a good shoulder/tri workout tonight. Weight up to 226. My big problem now is getting clean calories down. Don’t really want to put on sloppy weight but getting 400 grams of protein down has been tough for me. This is the first time I have tried to be clean with my diet while bulking. And speaking of food, it’s time to eat again! Will update later…
All I’ve done is quad shots actually. And I agree, it takes a day or so and the pain sets in. It’ll go away in 2-3 days though, and I find I can train on it no problems.
Oddly enough, I can’t stretch the muscle very well, even though training it is fine. [shrug]