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lol i’d highly disagree with all of the statements. I regret to believe that you haven’t met someone that has trained hard for years without the expected results. I’ve switched training up over years. Had to do 10 months in County in-between those years and continued to not get over 255 ( only done one) ever on my bench. I haven’t maxed on dead lifts in quite some time so estimated what it would be. I understand they are not proportionate.

I don’t believe all my training and nutrition is off when I have friends in the field that don’t understand the lack of growth over the last year. I wanted some advice on the cycle I have set up. Apparently, that was too much to ask for you guys. I’ve read plenty of places its used to get over a plateau.

That’s exactly what I’m using the cycle for. If you had questions about my diet and/or training and could critique that to make it better I would have been open to that as well. Although, seems like the wrong thread for those topics.

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Ok bro I give in, run some tren only 2000Mg a week with 200Mg dbol a day. That should break your plateau.

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Lol disagree with the statements all you want doesn’t change the fact for even a second that any one knowledgeable is going to side with me and Eatliftsleep before they do with you. Making you the minority on this.

Oh and yes you are correct I know plenty of people who have put years into the gym and have not made decent gains. Do you know what they all had in common??? Piss poor training, piss poor eating, and piss poor problem solving. All 3 you just happen to have and are in the same boat they are in huh coincidence… Probably not.

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I’m done explaining to you anything. You are basing all this on conjecture. I’ve made plenty of gains since this start over 100 lbs. and over 20 pounds in body mass. I’ve just been stuck for a while. I get you are going to be no help and continue to believe you have the answer for everything. Have fun with that.

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[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Ok bro I give in, run some tren only 2000Mg a week with 200Mg dbol a day. That should break your plateau. [/quote]
I would have to say that’s an xtra 0 on both doses. Unless your just saying that to fuck with me further. Was that an accident or mean’t to further tell me your not down for advice?

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Definetly telling you your making a mistake.

Never said I had the answers to all but I know you have no fucking clue.

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I train teenagers for a living, been doing it for 20yrs. The goal with the kids i train is 1000lb total, and almost all of them can do it in around a year, with my worst client ever taking 2yrs. The main thing I do other than teach the basic lifts is getting them to eat, then the gains come. your arguing with guys that have been training longer than you’ve been alive, they’re trying to help you, and youer getting deffensive. I personaly didn’t do gear till I was 34, because thats when I plateaued, it may not take you 34yrs, but I highly doubt you’ve hit anywhere near your genetic potential at 18. If I were you I’d try listening and learning from people that know, and have been there. Sorry about spelling and grammer in a rush. Goodluck

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I can’t get over the fact you have been training 4years and weigh 158. What did you do, gain a whopping 2lbs. A year?? Not trying to be a dick but you need to fix the root of the problem ( diet, training, and ATTITUDE) because whatever you’re doing now aint working.

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Thing is, its not conjecture. We look at your stats and we can tell, right up, that your diet is shit. We can then also see from your results that your training is shit. And probably your sleep and recovery as well.

Yes, you will break the “plateau” with the AAS but then you will drop back to where you were after coz you aint doing what you need to do to progress.

On a constructive note, this is what you should do.

Post your diet.
Post your training program.
Post you recovery/rest schedule.
Post your goal. Hint: “getting huge 'n ripped ‘n chit while keepin’ mah abs” is not a goal. Its a fairy tale.

Set one goal. Do what you have to do to reach it.

Nuff said. If you can’t do that, nothing you can do will change your situation in the long run.

Oh, one final thing. AAS building muscle is a myth. Does not happen. AAS helps the body to be more efficient in building muscle. Thats all. So if you diet sucks and your training sucks you are not going to build anything.

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^^ post your diet and routine. Let’s start there before your cycle.

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[quote]isethius wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
Ok bro I give in, run some tren only 2000Mg a week with 200Mg dbol a day. That should break your plateau. [/quote]
I would have to say that’s an xtra 0 on both doses. Unless your just saying that to fuck with me further. Was that an accident or mean’t to further tell me your not down for advice?[/quote]

Oh shit I actually forgot to add a few zeros

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[quote]BUDs wrote:
^^ post your diet and routine. Let’s start there before your cycle.[/quote]

Yes do this, and be honest, unless its too much work or something

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Diet on an average day:
4-5 Eggs w/ spinach for breakfast and a vegetable shake.
{3-4 hours later Whole wheat sandwich of sliced chicken breast and cheese(large amount of meat)
3-4 hours later another sandwich
A Greek yogurt or two in-between this time.
A cliff bar oatmeal and walnut.} Food while at work
Then I have a dinner of a large chicken breast and broccoli or Steak.

If I’m awake longer I sometimes eat a Healthy Choice heat-up dinner (I’ve been cutting these out because I know they are not a healthy choice that’s just when my laziness kicks in.)<< have been moving this more towards just a can of tuna.
Protein shake before bed.
I stick religiously too this besides about every 10 days having one meal where I can eat what I wish but normally try not to make it a horrible meal.

Supplements: Protein w/ BCAA’s, Creatine, Beta Alanine, Glutamine. Vitamins I take in the morning: Chromium and Cinnamon, Multi-Vitamin, Alpha Lipoic Acid w/ Acetly L-Carnitine, Fish Oil.

Training out-lined out:
Chest/Tri day-
Flat Bench- Warm up, 10,8,6,4,2
Skullcrushers- 4x10
Dumbbell Incline- 3x8 Superset with push-ups
Dumbell Decline- 3x8 Superset with push-ups
Tri-pushdown superset with reverse pushdowns 3x10
Cable Cross Over(different variation of height per work-out): 3x8

Back/Bi’s-
Suicide Preacher Curls 3 sets
Bent-over rows 4x10
21’s- 3 sets
One-arm rows- 4x10
Hammer Curls- 4x8
Pull-ups superset with Lat Pulldowns 4x10.

Shoulders-
Military Press- Warm up, 10,8,6,6,4
Shoulder complex- 3 sets
Arnold Press- 4x8
Shrugs 4x15 (hold for 30secs on last 2 sets)

Legs/lower back- ( I changed dead-lift’s to this day about a month ago and going to put it back on back day’s was trying it out.)
Squats- Warm up. 10,8,6,4,4
Dead-lift- warm up 8,6,6,4,4
Lunges- 4x10
Leg Curls 4x10

I do sprints twice a week. 20sec’s on 30ssecs off for 5 sprints.

Also, Every 1 1/2 Months I Do one week of exercises with an inventive way my friend that is a personal trainer learned based on the University of Michigan training. Its basically a mix of all different variations, e.g. Pulse, x and y reps and holds, all in one set at 60% of your normal weight until complete failure. I do these with someone telling me which to do based on which I’m struggling with.

I also try to change the rep range every 2-3 months to a Higher rep range for a couple weeks and then change up a few of the exercises for muscle confusion.

Post workout- Protein shake with milk and glutamine.
Sleep- 8 hours a night.
Goal- I want to weight 170 lbs. and up the 3 major lifts significantly

I am open to any advice although I did get defensive. I started at 130 lbs.(body weight) as well as my lift’s being well under 100 lbs. under the growth I made. Also, stated earlier I did have to do some time in-between these four years.

I work-out 4-5 days a week. Only taking days off when my body needs the rest. Always at the end of the four lifts I do I take a day off. Normally, one other day based on how my body is feeling after whichever muscle group hurt it the worst.

Any questions and/or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I train teenagers for a living, been doing it for 20yrs. The goal with the kids i train is 1000lb total, and almost all of them can do it in around a year, with my worst client ever taking 2yrs. The main thing I do other than teach the basic lifts is getting them to eat, then the gains come. your arguing with guys that have been training longer than you’ve been alive, they’re trying to help you, and youer getting deffensive. I personaly didn’t do gear till I was 34, because thats when I plateaued, it may not take you 34yrs, but I highly doubt you’ve hit anywhere near your genetic potential at 18. If I were you I’d try listening and learning from people that know, and have been there. Sorry about spelling and grammer in a rush. Goodluck[/quote]

I have no idea where you got my age as 18. Read my first post in the thread…

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Sorry I was in a rush yesterday, and was trying to get the point across That you had some really experianced posters, all basicaly saying the same thing, and you were getting deffensive. My point was with 2-3 yrs of hard training you should be in a better place, and the reasons why your not there need to be adressed before you jump to test.

Once you have training and diet in order, you will be able to reap much more from a cycle. If your goals are size and strength i would loosen up my diet, your diet looks good for a competative BBer, but when your trying to get big and strong, calories are king, and lean chicken , and fish don’t cut it.

Right now I’m in a gaining phaze, so i added a pound of ground beef + 4 cups of rice a day to my regular diet. This already includes dozen eggs - bag frozen mixed veg - 200g oatmeal - 3 litters milk - full size lunch - full size dinner. lunch is usually a 12’'sub, and dinner is roast and potatoes, or such. On days i work out I eat 2 peanut butter, banna, and honey sandwich (500 calories each) one before workout, and one after.

This is around 5000 total calories, and would be ecsessive for you, but gives you an idea of what it takes to get your body to grow.
Realize once you start using gear, you’ll be using for life, or as long as you workout. This isn’t up for debate, you may think you’ll do one cycle to get past plateau, but thats what everyone thinks. The best practice is to get as big and strong as you can, know your body, have training and diet that maxamizes gains for you.

Then use the gear to gain an edge, this will work well. Trying to use gear to fill in the holes, won’t work, you might, and thats a big might gain a littlle size from the cycle you planned, but with out fixing everything else. You’ll quickly end up right back where you were.

I say hold off on gear for atleast 6-12mths. Up calories to 3500-4500, get on a basic program, prioritizing strength (531) and work on the basics, get them mastered. I would aim for 200lb body weight, at 15ish % BF and a double body weight squat and dead, then think about the gear. This is easily attainable in a year from where you are now, with consistant effort or take the easy way out, and stay skinney and weak.

Sorry to be harsh, this is the reality, The big guys around here are all going to all give similar advice, but you’ll probably find some skinney kids that will tell you there’s a different way, whatever. goodluck

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[quote]Triceptaurus wrote:

Yes, you will break the “plateau” with the AAS but then you will drop back to where you were after coz you aint doing what you need to do to progress. [/quote]

Well, isn’t that the problem for anybody who uses gear, no matter their level of experience, so why pick on the OP? As far as I can tell, the only guys who keep gains are the ones who keep using gear.

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Nobodys saying not to use gear, but getting yourself closer to your genetic limits first is a better way. Dave Tate says it’s your ace in the hole, save it for when you need it, to take you to the next level. Playing that card to soon, will limit where it will take you.

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Okay I can definitely understand upping the calories. I’ve always been worried of gaining non-lean mass when I up the calories so much. Although, I know bulking up and cutting are mean’t for two completely different phases of lifting. I see that I’ve probably tried to keep them together a little bit too much.

I’ll trying adding lentil soup with a pound of ground beef in there for a bowl everyday as well as, probably some more steak. I love steak so would be an easy addition with plenty of calories to my diet; I’ve just always stayed away from doing it a couple times a week because of the fat content.

I have already purchased the test and was about to start the cycle but, going to strongly consider that I give it and try and see where my potential can get if I just eat excessively while still balanced meals.

Thank you for the suggestions I appreciate it. Any other suggestions on the training aspect? I just went through a 3 week process of the Wendler 5/3/1 approach. I know I should stick this out more and it actually will end the full 3 weeks as of today with my shoulder day. I might just continue staying on this strength program as it seems to be a huge hit with a lot of serious lifters.

I didn’t mention this in my training because I believed you guys were asking about my training over the past few years so I tried to give a good snapshot of the average training.
Do you really believe 200 lb. body weight can’t be attainable in that amount of time without gear for sure.did you mean 40 lbs in a year??? or is that just an idea of I should be at before starting the gear?

and for the record I don’t consider that being harsh; when I can see the information fully explained and know the backing behind it with the research I’ve done and being able to tell its from personal experience I tend to take it in more. Thanks again for the suggestions AnytimeJake

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40 lbs in a year does not sound realistic, no, unless they mean fat. 10-15 lbs muscle mass a year might be more realistic for a beginning natural lifter, less for a non-beginner, unless again they mean fat (which is possible, judging from the pictures of many of the “just eat more” crowd).

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Op, I can only tell you whats worked for me, and training young guys. Our goal is a 1000lb total. At that point my guys are ready to start making they’re own program, and diet desions. It would probably work for you as well. Put your focus into a 1000lbs, and then look at where your at, and what you think about the gear.

I’ve witnessed it lots of times over the years, somthing happens on the way to a 1000 it’s not magical, but along the way, the kids grow up, and understand, diet, and progression, and they’re whole thought process is different when they get there. Follow a simple program such as 531 or somthing similar, with your only goal being 1000lb total.

Usually a year ish. Eat what you need to, and don’t worry about your abs, just get that total. I’m willing to bet your a different guy, mentaly, and physicaly. This is the point where I think guys go from beginer to intermidiate. These are only my thoughts, but I’ve seen it be sucsessfull maney times. It’s a life long journey, and I believe taking a year to build a base of strength, is a great investment, from there you can choose BBing, PLing—gear, or no gear, but you’ll have a strenght base for life. Goodluck

Feel free to ask any questions on my log if you like