First cycle for e2 control

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Hello all.

I have been balls deep in research for the past few months, and after years of being a strict natty, then dipping my toes in with anabolics (non AAS), i’ve made the decision to hop on. For context I’m 170lbs 5’6 (and still growing somehow), 12ish% bf, and 19 years old with 6 years of lifting exp.

I’m currently on:

9iu HGH (perscribed for idiopathic short stature)

Novolin R preworkout

some random peptides that are irrelevant

all of the above i am very knowledgable and experienced with, I don’t wanna hear y’all coming after me for insulin, I promise to you I know how to use it.

The following is my cycle design:

Month 1 & 2: 150 Test C (TRT dose)

Month 3-6: 300-350 Test C, 250 Primo, 25mg Tbol

Month 6 onward: drop back to TRT

I do have aromasin, telmisartan, nebivolol, ru58841, tudca, glutathione, reta, and some other ancillaries ON HAND

I suppose my main question and concern is with managing e2 given that I am somehow still growing. I would like to know how y’all go about using exemestane (aromasin) should I start feeling e2 symptoms, and how to balance that with my primo.

Another conern of mine is maintaining testicle size (lmao), but I’m reluctant to take hcg because of its estrogenic potential. I could easiley get ahold of something like enclomifene, but from what i’ve read, the ER modulation from it might not even do anything in the presence of AAS in the HPGA.

Also, just so y‘all don’t shit ur pants I do my bloods regularly and as of now everything is perfect.

TY

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Nope. Your too young. Your body/brain are still developing. Taking gear now is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

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LMAO. Years… and years huh. You’ve been an adult for one year bro.

If this is important to you, stay off the sauce. Excess E2 will fuse your growth plates.

F… what!? You were legit prescribed 9iu a day? I don’t buy that.

It freaking better be, you’re 19.

Look man, do what you gotta do but if you’re prioritizing growth … you’re gonna jeopardize that. You may eek out another inch or so. Why not wait?

What’s your goal to starting steroids so young? Are you a competitor? Future career?

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Dude better look like Aaron Clark, when he first posted here (sock it to me)

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Yeah he was a specimen for sure

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Well, I was perscribed 6.6iu, but they always send excess for some reason lmao

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Overall masculinization, especially in facial bones and collarbones. I’m also fascinated by how AAS influence how the body produces and uses IGF-1. And of course, muscle & strength gain.

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Yeah… I’ve been lifitng since 13, and at 165bw I benched 345, squatted 475, and deadlifted 455… natty

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the point of this post was advice on how to manage e2… I have pretty extensive knowledge but no first hand experience hence why I came to this forum

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So, you know then that a decent e2 is needed to maximize igf1 level, even in the presence of GH.

You should run test and hgh only.

Get bloodwork done and a full panel including e2 and igf1.
Maximize those before anything else.

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yes, but high e2 does the opposite– e2 is also the main mediator of epitheleal plate closure, so no, high e2 does not mean more height. While yes, e2 has many crucial roles in the body, it is super important to keep it balanced, hence this thread. At a certain dose of test, an AI will be mandatory (whether it be a classic AI or AAS that act as AI) no matter what to keep e2 in reference range, so just hgh and test (esp above 250) is flat out stupid. I was asking for tips on keeping e2 in reference range, not nuking it.

If you have any advice on the latter, i’m open to hear your experience/ research, but I won’t really heed to low iq replies claiming that blasting test without an ai will end up perfectly fine with regard to maximizing height potential.

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I wouldn’t be so critical of advice folks give. I have found folks here are very knowledgeable. One thing I have read many times is the benefit of first cycle being test only is one learns what test dose requires an AI for you personally. Then when you add one compound, you learn its effect. Etc. given your concern with e2, seems to make sense to get this data point. Just a thought. Good luck either way.

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Correct which is why I posed the question… why risk it. For your goals you are going to need to keep E2 lower than normal. Having high androgens with low estrogen is going to exacerbate feeling unwell. Having normal androgens with low E2 is bad enough.

You’re going to need to eliminate E2 not just mask it with a DHT so an AI is a must. You’ll want to have moderate Test levels, not high, while using the AI. You will only have a limited window, no matter what you do because of your age, so why not wait another year for that window to close before blasting?

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Nothing I said implies that higher E2 equals more height.
You missed the point entirely.

Hgh plus test is stupid - got it.

I guess you missed the part about starting there to get a baseline for your blood panels before doing or adding anything else.

Nuking E2? No idea how you came to that assertion..

The low IQ response is quite ironic as you don’t seem to have the ability to process the suggestions that you asked for.

Doctors do not typically prescribe hgh for short stature at 19 years old. The protocol usually ends around puberty, so everything that you have posted reeks of ignorance or trolling given that you want to add gear which, in itself, wrecks your “therapy”.

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If this is true, you already broke the bench record for ages 18-19 by 35lb, the deadlift record by 20lb, and almost the squat record, while being natty

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lmao id say being natty was a lie since ive been on insulin and hgh for almost 6 months

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i also dont compete and use wraps, and sometimes questionable form