Sup people been awhile sense I posted on here but I been in good standings with life and the gym, also I still browse and research MY ASS OFF for about two three years on and off. I had no idea how ridiculous and extensive it would be to actually research and “understand” everything from compounds, different sides effects an toxicity.
then choosing them and figuring out PCT’s. internally dealing with a “neub” cycle. all creating a snow ball effect on every little thing I planned and had to re-plan to many times to count. On top of WAITING A full three years after I thought I was ready. So anyway I could go on for days about the frustrations of researching but the vets are probably laughing to hard at the moment cause they know how that shit sucks!!
Anyway my stats follow.
40 years old (true Ectomorph)
180 lbs
10% bf
Bench 125 dumbells 3x
Dead lift 315 3x gas to burn
Squat 295 3x gas to burn
I haven’t maxed for about three maybe four years it’s not my thing. I go heavy adding a rep till I’m strong enough to hit the next weight at least 3x and the are FULL reps not that half way down “i can bench 500 lbs” crap!
Here goes!!!
I’m solid on the idea of kicking with Test-p. I like that it adds fibers and mass as id love to keep as much gain as possible. Feel free to chime in on any changes you think may be helpful on this plan guys. I’m also looking for “personal” experience on PCT’s and some solid advice on the plan I got laid out so far is very welcome.
Im really big on it and ive researched the hell out of PCT and the subject is massive and varied as far as when to use the HCG, correct me if I’m wrong but the half life at the end should be around 250 (if that’s correct) after a week. For the test-e should I push my HCG start day 6 days after last pin or keep it where it is? If I ****** up anywhere feel free to correct me I got thick skin. I’d rather do this right than trash what I worked so hard to accomplish now.
Week 1-12 250mg test-e twice a week (or 300mg?)
Week 1-4 100mg test p eod (thoughts?)
Week 1-12 Anastrozole .5 mg daily for bloat/Gyno
After last pin
Day 2 250iu HCG
Day 6 250iu HCG
Day 10 500iu HCG
Day 11 500iu HCG
Day 12 500iu HCG
I’m just going to give you a simple compliment that you have done pretty good with what you are working with. People will probably bash me for saying this but I would drop the test p. While it is fine, at your bodyweight especially, 500 mg/w of test e is more than enough to see gains. If you plan on cycling in the future leave yourself room to increase doses (or you will probably see diminishing returns).
I am aware you already know this but allow me to put it in perspective. If you take a high dose, lets say 3 grams of testosterone, what are the odds of ever making a gain off 500 mg, or better yet naturally? I would do 500 mg test e a week and bulk up. Don’t worry too much about the water weight. Clearly you are aware of those sides as you have introduced Anastrozole. If you pin more frequently it won’t be a serious problem-even though it does seem to still make you gain more water than prop.
I personally would do aromasin instead of anastrozole if it isn’t too late. It is a suicidal inhibitor for your aromatase. Letro and Anastrazole are reversible. But again, at your discretion. I’m going to give you the same recommendation I give everyone else, throw some vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, fish oil, and a multi in there if you haven’t already. If you are going to do both nolva and clomid I’d cut your nolva doses in half. I would move the hcg up to on cycle too like install said.
I’d agree if doing both Clomid and Nolva (still say overkill) at least cut the Nolva in half. You aren’t stacking here. I understand your points about Aromasin but I still think Anastrozole on cycle. It has a 2 day half life giving you less fluctuation in concentration and with PCT you have no worries. And again .5 EOD is sufficient. If moving to Aromasin it must be taken ED with the short half life and should be started at least a week prior to cycle to attain steady blood plasma levels.
[quote]Mennotinblack wrote:
I’m just going to give you a simple compliment that you have done pretty good with what you are working with. People will probably bash me for saying this but I would drop the test p. While it is fine, at your bodyweight especially, 500 mg/w of test e is more than enough to see gains. If you plan on cycling in the future leave yourself room to increase doses (or you will probably see diminishing returns).
I am aware you already know this but allow me to put it in perspective. If you take a high dose, lets say 3 grams of testosterone, what are the odds of ever making a gain off 500 mg, or better yet naturally? I would do 500 mg test e a week and bulk up. Don’t worry too much about the water weight. Clearly you are aware of those sides as you have introduced Anastrozole. If you pin more frequently it won’t be a serious problem-even though it does seem to still make you gain more water than prop.
I personally would do aromasin instead of anastrozole if it isn’t too late. It is a suicidal inhibitor for your aromatase. Letro and Anastrazole are reversible. But again, at your discretion. I’m going to give you the same recommendation I give everyone else, throw some vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, fish oil, and a multi in there if you haven’t already. If you are going to do both nolva and clomid I’d cut your nolva doses in half. I would move the hcg up to on cycle too like install said.[/quote]
Hey thanks man that is some great info! Exact ally what I’m looking for. Reading your post makes me think I might be going for a little to much with the test p.
I could drop it and run with the 500 E. see I always thought a “neub” cycle was geared just to see how your body reacted and I diddnt think about “leaving myself room” as you put it. But it totally makes sense and I’m gonna take your advice and drop the test p. I wanna keep the anastrozole in at .5 ED. Won’t hurt and it’ll help keep me dry. Chime in on the revision and hey I REALLY appreciate you guys advice as I got a lot to learn. THANKS!!!
Week 1-12 250mg test-e twice a week
Week 1-12 Anastrozole .5 mg daily for bloat/Gyno
HCG 250iu E3D
I’d agree if doing both Clomid and Nolva (still say overkill) at least cut the Nolva in half. You aren’t stacking here. I understand your points about Aromasin but I still think Anastrozole on cycle. It has a 2 day half life giving you less fluctuation in concentration and with PCT you have no worries. And again .5 EOD is sufficient. If moving to Aromasin it must be taken ED with the short half life and should be started at least a week prior to cycle to attain steady blood plasma levels.[/quote]
Hey thanks man I agree, I read the description on the Aromasin and I don’t think ill need anything that heavy. I already have the clomid so I could save it or put it in. Being this has become a test e run I think the PCT will be fine. Only reason I had the PCT beefed up is I read it wouldn’t hurt things and i thought better safe than sorry.
There is a shitload of info in my blood work I hope that was what you were looking for mr. Walkway, sorry I can’t copy past them here I can just look at the numbers and transfer them because they are scanned copies like a pic pretty much.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
why do pct? you are 40… might as well go on trt…
I feel like at your age, the possibility of you recovering your HPTA fully is reduced… [/quote]
Actually I had blood work don’t just for that. “Before I read” dr your dealer!!! Fml!!! My numbers were to high. [/quote]
what were your numbers?[/quote]
TEST 567.20. In a 249 to 846 range
FREE TEST 122. In a 47 to 244 range
DHEA-SULFATE 323. In a 120 to 520 range
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fair enough that’s decent. cycle looks good, be sure to get retested a month or two after pct is complete[/quote]
Hey thanks man. I think the adjustments I made a few posts up were good. And I really appreciate everyone’s input!
I think ill blog it here as well, might help keep me more motivated.
You said that staying at .5 ED won’t hurt. That is not true. If Estrogen is too low you inhibit gains. For most people that dosage would be too high. It will likely dry you out too much. Which would be bad. I highly suggest .5 EOD to start and adjust up if you feel like you need it.
[quote]installglass wrote:
You said that staying at .5 ED won’t hurt. That is not true. If Estrogen is too low you inhibit gains. For most people that dosage would be too high. It will likely dry you out too much. Which would be bad. I highly suggest .5 EOD to start and adjust up if you feel like you need it.[/quote]
I agree, I did read that in the prior post and good point on adjusting if needed. Thanks
I could understand it if you were skinny like me but you’re built like a brick shithouse. Yet you call yourself ectomorph. Are you sure you don’t have a slight case of body dysmorphic disorder?
You would look even more impressive (and appear bigger) if you did a bit of a cut, not a bulk.
You will probably just lose whatever gains you may make on a cycle once you stop, and you may permanently mess up your HPTA in the process at your age, so at best you would not be any better off after, and there is a significant probability you may be worse off. Take it from someone who did what you are proposing, with more reason, and then realized it was not a good decision.
Not everyone can “just go on TRT” as someone suggested above and feel good. A large number of people never feel as good or function as well on TRT as they did when they were natural, so it is important not to imperil a good HPTA if avoidable.
[quote]seekonk wrote:
Just curious, why would you want to do this?
I could understand it if you were skinny like me but you’re built like a brick shithouse. Yet you call yourself ectomorph. Are you sure you don’t have a slight case of body dysmorphic disorder?
You would look even more impressive (and appear bigger) if you did a bit of a cut, not a bulk.
You will probably just lose whatever gains you may make on a cycle once you stop, and you may permanently mess up your HPTA in the process at your age, so at best you would not be any better off after, and there is a significant probability you may be worse off. Take it from someone who did what you are proposing, with more reason, and then realized it was not a good decision.
Not everyone can “just go on TRT” as someone suggested above and feel good. A large number of people never feel as good or function as well on TRT as they did when they were natural, so it is important not to imperil a good HPTA if avoidable.[/quote]
why are you even here? go spew your bullshit somewhere else
