You look great for 17!
Altho il be completely honest nothing about your physique screams potential for any worthwhile career in professional bodybuilding. That doesn’t mean it’s not possible tho.
Im not comfortable giving advice to a minor but there is tons of good info on the forum if you insist on using steroids right now take a look around and you will find everything you need to know.
Also remember arm day isn’t everyday focus on your weak points and stop skipping leg day.
Young Dude. Do a couple of searches on the main page, for teenagers wanting to do a cycle.
You will find that it is a really bad idea, as you are not even fully developed(like fucking up your sex drive and or fertility). Gear comes with risks so you want to be fully aware about the path you go down before you make a serious mistake.
Plenty of time to get on the gear a little later, if you still want to.
Seriously you will make crazy as fuck gains as a natty teenager.
You’re doing well. Keep at it. Skip the SARMs, they’re just not going to give you the risk adjusted return that’s necessary to justify them.
I will add this (and you will largely ignore it because you’re 17): you have no idea what you want six years from now. None. Zero. The number of 17 year old males who know what they will want in their mid 20’s is vanishingly small. Your brain mostly doesn’t allow you to know that. It’s not a flaw or a character defect. It’s how your brain is wired. You may want to be a bodybuilder today. You may want it a year from now. But once you start down this path you can’t unring that bell.
I’m from the T-replacement category but I come to the pharma forum sometimes because there’s a lot of useful info for me here.
I’m 19 and you’ve heard that your too young to take steroids plenty of times already so I’m not gonna tell you that. I didn’t listen when I was told, and I would’ve rather been told what can come from it. Like @iron_yuppie said, you can’t unring that bell. So all I want you to know is that, if you choose to cycle for 10 weeks, long enough to shutdown your own testicular axis, just know that theirs a chance you can’t get it back and you’ll be on injections the rest of your life. TRT+blast is the healthier way to use steroids anyway, blasting/cruising as opposed to cycling on/off. It sounds like you got a lot of drive regarding bodybuilding as your not drinking or fucking with drugs and live a healthy lifestyle but just know, even with a healthy lifestyle, the second you introduce outside hormones to your body, you introduce a whole host of possible problems with things like your daily life, your sex life, and your bodybuilding career.
Its hard to believe now, but you really can make the same gains at 17 with your healthy lifestyle as a natty as an older guy on the cycle your planning on taking. You got plenty of test in your body, so you don’t NEED to cycle. But if you choose to, just know the huge commitment it is. And don’t listen to anybody who guarantees you fully recover after a few weeks/months/years off a cycle. And be careful with SARMs, every good thing you’ve read about on the internet is written by someone trying to sell them. I’m on TRT for life because I fucked with those and some mild PHs.
Just so you can hear my perspective because I wanna keep it real with you. Steroid gains are awesome. I plan on blasting with my TRT years down the road, probably after I’ve had kids and have my life together. But the damage it did to my body in the short and long term have made me realize that the potential risks aren’t worth the gains. I had to give up some of what was supposed to be my golden years at 17-18 due to a fucked up HPTA axis from roids. Good luck whatever you choose to do.
The fact you fucked up you’re HPTA axis isn’t particularly due to age. AAS induced hypogonadism is a possibility with anyone who uses, not to say young people should be using, as neurologically the effects can be rather profound (though not as severe as say… the cognitive stunting induced by alcohol or the reward pathway remodelling induced by nicotine, cocaine etc) and many young people aren’t aware/can’t grasp the long term health ailments potentially induced by these compounds when used at high dosages and thus decide to use very high doses with little regard to overall longevity.
A singular testosterone injection (supra dose, long ester) is typically enough to suppress LH/FSH almost entirely (can link data to this). The ideology one can make gains as fast as an older dude on cycle simply isn’t true. A healthy teenager in his prime may have a TT of 800-1300ng/dl, perhaps even more (I recall one dude on here worried about having accidentally taken sarms… he got his T tested and it came out at like 1500ng/dl (don’t remember free T, but it was pretty high). A grown man on cycle will typically have a TT of 3-5000ng/dl+ with free T 5-10x + the top end of “normal”, that being said adults don’t have the same GH/IGF-1 output when compared to teens of which greatly contributes to overall anabolism and capacity to gain muscular mass… BUUUUT AAS themselves greatly increase IGF-1.
I find the cardiovascular pathology the most concerning, there has been a myriad of deaths recently, mostly young bodybuilding competitors in their 20’s with death causes as “unknown”, one appears to be an overdose on pills (suicide attempt), I’d hypothesise the other is cardiac related. It isn’t just anabolics however, the ones that die right after a competition, electrolyte imbalance, use of diuretics, improper use of insulin, clenbuterol, stimulants, beta 2 agonists, DNP must all be taken into account. However I firmly believe anabolics at high enough doses (and literature somewhat backs this up, though to what extent is disputed) will lead to cardiovascular dysfunction down the line and exaggerate the (cardiac) hypertrophic stimuli induced from exercise, of which by itself when taken to excess appears to be a high risk factor for atrial fibrillation… which itself can lead to clotting (strokes, myocardial infarction)
Then again, cigarettes, alcohol, stimulants, eating badly etc all have the potential to induce long term cardiac dysfunction, many get away with it… some don’t, it’s Russian roulette with genetics. There are ways to greatly reduce risk factors, but then again genetic predispositions many a times can’t be overcome, if you have congenital dilated cardiomyopathy/severe familial hypercholesterolemia you bet you’re ass you’re going to run into complications without medical intervention (statins, ace inhibitors, beta blockers etc)
Both my grandmas smoked frequently (one about a pack a day for 30+ years, the other a few a day for a couple decades), they are respectively 95 and 86, both my grandfathers died young due to tobacco related complications (myocardial infarction and emphysema) at 49 and the other in his sixties. Genetics are a cruel bitch, my genetic analysis (when uploading said dna, I got one of those tests) appears to indicate I have genes strongly indicative for longevity… which is a bitch as I can’t imagine my chronic pain will get better, I can only see downhill from here, being Ronnie Coleman status at age 60 will be an absolute and utter irritant. Should clarify the one that smoked a pack a day for a while is the one that’s now 95… My great uncle made it to 102! (or was it 101)
Interestingly my grandfather was over 6 foot tall (one was 5’6 the other 6’1)…
oh shit … just noticed the guy is 17,
Don’t fck yourself up my man. I started dabbling with roids due to low T levels and on trt for life so I felt its okay to cruise and blast. I can obviously tell that your hormone levels are good by your physique. Carry on as you are and only when you are older think again about it. My 2 cents from someone who started and wish they didn’t.
17 year olds cycling, how dumb-ass stupid this world is. Get 10 years of hard-ass training and eating under your belt, and then maybe. Gonna fukk your self up for life son…
Some people are beating around the bush here but a cycle at 17 is just a stupid, stupid idea with one remote exception.
If you have a real and genuine desire to be a top pro bodybuilder AND real and genuine potential to be a top pro bodybuilder then MAYBE the risk - reward makes sense.
You have decent muscle for a 17 yr old. You have not demonstrated a level of development that suggests you are one of the muscle building genetic elite.
This doesn’t mean you don’t have it, you just don’t know yet. And until you do know, cycling is back to being a stupid, stupid, stupid idea.
Train and eat perfectly for another year, live the bodybuilder life, and if you BOTH still love bodybuilding and want to go pro AND you put on so much muscle and with great aesthetic balance that people cannot believe you did it naturally then it might be worth considering.
imagine being 17 and wanting to hop on a cycle… Jesus
I don’t think you can judge really. Had you told Arnie to hold off for a few years I doubt he would have got to where he did.
I appreciate you putting up the pics and follow-up info. Most guys don’t follow through.
However, the SARMS cycle did not help anything other than giving you a taste of how to skip the basics of hard work and patience.
Your current condition is fine, definitely above average for your age, but quite average for a first-time bodybuilding competitor. I suggest finding a local contest sometime in late 2020, put it on your calendar, and work towards it. The most sensible thing is to get at least one natural contest under your belt and then decide about gear (or if competing is still something you want to do at that point).
Stick with steady diet and training, get away from changing workouts so often, and you can see big progress by the time contest prep rolls around. The Bodybuilding forum has coaches and competitors that can give you more specific advice on that end.
There’s nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but if you mean an IFBB pro, then understand that’s like saying “I want to be in the UFC.” You’ve got to actually get started in the competitive side of the sport, like, immediately. And that means getting through your first contest.
From today lol
When I was 17 my days were spent wondering what skill I would be leveling on Runescape.
When I was 17 I was partying and doing drugs lol but I definitely remember runescape!
Sorry, I don’t speak to noobs. I had 99 fletching mate.
I don’t remember anything about it. It feels like that was forever ago. I do remember playing it though lol
That gym gets a solid 10/10 for lighting! I wish all gyms were like that!
My buddies gym actually has strategic lighting to make you look better 
