First Cycle Advise From Experienced BBs?

Pharma / TRT
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Im 25
6foot, 180lb- (high metabolism hard-gainer)
Been working out and eating right consistently for 2 years, non-consistent since 10th grade.

Ive been planning my cycle for over a year and decided that I was going to do the basic 500mg/week of test E with nolva PCT.

However, I know through FuriousGeorges post, that some recommend taking multiple steroids on the first cycle to maximize benefits.

My question is: what are the suggestions of guys who have experience?

I am still finishing school to go into a nursing job. So, while I realize that I will love being on the sauce, I will not be able to continue cycling after I finish school because my coworkers would surely know what was going on. I want to look natural and healthy and not freakishly jacked and veiny.

So given that, would anyone have any suggestions for a good cycle that I can maintain good gains for several years before cycling again.

Would anyone recommend adding Deca, proviron, EQ or even orals?? I would like to save the HGH for when Im older.

If I gain 30lbs off this cycle and continue to work out and eat right consistently, will I be able to maintain my gains without gear? Or will my weight slowly return to my before cycle weight after a year or so???

Any feedback is greatly appreciated!!!

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Post your diet.

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[quote]ActionYakson wrote:
Im 25
6foot, 180lb- (high metabolism hard-gainer)
Been working out and eating right consistently for 2 years, non-consistent since 10th grade.
[/quote]

I’m not going to slam you for your stats - though others might - but as stated above by RRJC, post your diet. Double-checking it could be critical to your success. Most people don’t consume as many calories as they think.

You could, but it’s really not necessary. It gives you a lot more to think about when you start adding in other compounds.

What other compounds are you considering? Dbol? Commonly added to early cycles, and often without probs. But it makes estrogen management tougher than with just test alone.

Deca? You’re going to want caber or another dopamine-receptor agonist, in addition to an AI. How do you dose them? You’ve got two variables to play around with. Not good for a first cycle.

Keep it simple, IMO, unless you’re 100% sure of your ancillaries and feel confident that you can react calmly to estrogen issues, if they do arise.

I’d worry about that problem when you get to that point. Seriously. It’s quite likely that one cycle isn’t going to change your physique quite as much as you anticipate. And if and when you get so big (notice I didn’t say “freakishly jacked and veiny”) that you’re worried about sticking out at work, you could run a cutting cycle. If people think / know that you take lifting very seriously, they generally aren’t going to give you the third degree over your physique. I’m in a position where I very definitely can’t “come out” as an AAS user, but I make damn sure everyone that knows me professionally knows that I’m very serious about my lifting and diet. It seems to do the trick, knock on wood.

Again, have sensible goals and make sure your diet is on target. A couple of test cycles your first year aren’t going to leave you at 6’ 250lbs. Nobody would have suggested HGH for you, btw.

How much you keep depends on a number of factors.

A net gain of 30lbs is probably a little more than you can realistically expect from this cycle. It certainly varies though depending on experience / condition when starting that first cycle / eating / training / individual physiology.

If you’ve always had great difficulty putting on weight, the issues that hindered you before your cycle could also get in your way post-cycle. This is just one of the reasons to get bloodwork done before your first cycle… to know your baseline heading into it.

But to answer your question, people lose a good chunk of on-cycle gains right afterwards, as a lot of it is glycogen or water. That is to be expected. The real trick is to stay steady through the latter weeks of PCT and the coming months. If you can do that, you’re more likely to hang onto the weight, IME, at least. Diet, proper training, sleep, staying injury-free, and of course a proper recovery of your HPTA through PCT are all big determinants. There are probably other threads here about keeping your gains if you use the search function.

Good luck.

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[quote]ActionYakson wrote:
Im 25
6foot, 180lb- (high metabolism hard-gainer)
Been working out and eating right consistently for 2 years, non-consistent since 10th grade.[/quote]

You don’t eat enough food. If you can’t eat enough without AAS, what makes you think you’re going to be able to on AAS?

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Thanks a lot for the feedback, especially from u whotookmyname!

I am not the type of guy who is really worried about counting my calories, after all I am not into bodybuilding to compete in competition. I do it because I like how I look and feel.

While I dont consume a given amount of calories each day, I do eat my face off! Lots of protein, easily eat 2 pounds of meat everyday plus post workout shakes and fish oil supps. Also balanced with good carbs and veggies

I know some of the more serious guys will bash me for that but thats how it is.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that I am taking finasteride tabs to prevent hairloss, so adding Deca to test probably wouldnt be a good idea because it would counteract the effects of the finasteride.

But I do want to maximize the benefits of my first cycle. Test does seem best and judging from the advise from whotookmyname I am still leaning towards a test only first cycle.

Would I see a major difference if I bumped test up to about 600/week?
Dbol seems kinda to me in terms of sides that i would rather not deal with.
Would I need extra ancillaries if adding proviron or EQ to the test?
Would anyone recommend adding proviron or EQ?

Thanks!

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[quote]ActionYakson wrote:
I know some of the more serious guys will bash me for that but thats how it is.
[/quote]

And you could add PLENTY of more mass without AAS. You posted a very vague overview of your diet, but you’re still probably not eating as much as you think.

I’m not one for counting calories, but every 6 weeks or so I’ll do a 3 day diet journal to make sure I’m still eating as much as I should be.

A huge part of keeping gains made on AAS is your diet post cycle. If you’re not willing to eat more food now, you’re probably not going to feel like eating that much post cycle, and you’ll probably end up losing your gains.

You could reach your goals by having a stricter diet and without AAS. “That’s how it is.”

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[quote]ActionYakson wrote:
While I dont consume a given amount of calories each day, I do eat my face off!
[/quote]

This almost always equates to “I don’t eat enough food.”

I don’t count my calories every day either, but as rrjc5488 said, I do count them for a few days every month or two, or when I stop making progress. I eat pretty much the same thing every day, so there is no point in writing down my calories every day.

The facts are, I have been <180 at 6’1, and I looked pathetic. I can’t imagine 180 at 6’ is any better, although you may very well post pictures to prove me wrong.

You aren’t a ‘hardgainer,’ you are simply someone who doesn’t want to eat enough, but thinks AAS are going to make you grow. ‘Hardgainer’ is just a word lazy skinny guys made up.

You still have not posted your diet. And please, when posting, don’t lie about what and how much you eat. It won’t help us help you, and it won’t help you help yourself.

A whole two pounds huh?

Post your complete diet.

“That’s how it is.”

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breakfast
big bowl of cereal with protein shake
lunch tuna fish, hamburger, pasta, all large portions
dinner steak/chicken/fish with veggies
snacks in between lots of milk, beans, peanut butter
eat out a lot, get big portions of chicken and steak
go to the chinese buffet a lot and eat tons of sushi, chicken and beef, and everything else
All of these meals are packing a lot of calories. Many meals I get over a thousand in one sitting
How many cals should I be aiming for?

Hopefully I will get some positive feedback that will be helpful. DOHCrazy, dude what do u get out of bashing people for their post? I know I may be inexperienced compared to some of the people on this site, but compared to all the people Ive known to use AAS, I am way more experienced and knowlegdeable going into my first cycle.

And while I am 6 foot 180 I dont look pathetic! I just have a different body type. In the picture you have in your avatar you look like you have got a lot more fat than I do. I am much more thin around the waist and my muscles are more defined and vascular(less puffy). My metabolism is really high, I eat twice as much as some of my friends who are much bigger and fatter than me.

Im glad that people are responding, but please do so with information that is helpful. I have been planning a cycle for a very long time and I am going to do it in January, so please dont waste your breath trying to talk me out of it…

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breakfast
big bowl of cereal with protein shake
lunch
tuna fish, hamburger, pasta, all large portions
dinner
steak/chicken/fish with veggies
snacks in between lots of milk, beans, peanut butter
eat out a lot, get big portions of chicken and steak
go to the chinese buffet a lot and eat tons of sushi, chicken and beef, and everything else
All of these meals are packing a lot of calories. Many meals I get over a thousand in one sitting
How many cals should I be aiming for? Id say Im easily getting 3-4000 a day. But I will count before going on cycle.

Hopefully I will get some feedback that will be helpful. DOHCrazy, dude what do u get out of bashing people for their post? I know I may be inexperienced compared to some of the people on this site, but compared to all the people Ive known to use AAS, I am way more experienced and knowlegdeable going into my first cycle.

And while I am 6 foot 180 I dont look pathetic! I just have a different body type. In the picture you have in your avatar you look like you have got a lot more fat than I do. I am much more thin around the waist and my muscles are more defined and vascular(less puffy). My metabolism is really high, I eat twice as much as some of my friends who are much bigger and fatter than me.

Im glad that people are responding, but please do so with information that is helpful. I have been planning a cycle for a very long time and I am going to do it in January, so please dont waste your breath trying to talk me out of it…

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[quote]ActionYakson wrote:
breakfast
big bowl of cereal with protein shake
lunch tuna fish, hamburger, pasta, all large portions
dinner steak/chicken/fish with veggies
snacks in between lots of milk, beans, peanut butter
eat out a lot, get big portions of chicken and steak
go to the chinese buffet a lot and eat tons of sushi, chicken and beef, and everything else
All of these meals are packing a lot of calories. Many meals I get over a thousand in one sitting
How many cals should I be aiming for?

Hopefully I will get some positive feedback that will be helpful. DOHCrazy, dude what do u get out of bashing people for their post? I know I may be inexperienced compared to some of the people on this site, but compared to all the people Ive known to use AAS, I am way more experienced and knowlegdeable going into my first cycle.

And while I am 6 foot 180 I dont look pathetic! I just have a different body type. In the picture you have in your avatar you look like you have got a lot more fat than I do. I am much more thin around the waist and my muscles are more defined and vascular(less puffy). My metabolism is really high, I eat twice as much as some of my friends who are much bigger and fatter than me.

Im glad that people are responding, but please do so with information that is helpful. I have been planning a cycle for a very long time and I am going to do it in January, so please dont waste your breath trying to talk me out of it…[/quote]

Because just like everyone else on this website, I get sick of skinny guys coming in, making up a term, and claiming they’re ‘hardgainers.’ I’m just the resident atheist asshole, so I don’t have a problem letting you know.

It took 5 different ‘post your diet’ replies before you posted your diet, and even then, its just estimates of how much you eat. ‘Large portions?’ for who? An Ethiopian or a bodybuilder?

I never said my physique was ready to step on stage, but I have made progress, I have achieved set goals and made new ones, and I have good numbers. Unlike you, I have posted both pictures and videos. I didn’t want to turn this into a ‘I have a bigger dick than you contest,’ but I have been lighter than you currently are, and now I am currently carrying more LBM than you.

I also never said you look pathetic, I simply stated what I looked like at <180 at 6’1. If you don’t look pathetic, please, post pictures and make me look like a dumb ass.

If you won’t listen to me, at least listen to whotookmyname, he is telling you the same thing.

[quote]whotookmynake wrote:

I’m not going to slam you for your stats - though others might - but as stated above by RRJC, post your diet. Double-checking it could be critical to your success. Most people don’t consume as many calories as they think.

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If you’ve always had great difficulty putting on weight, the issues that hindered you before your cycle could also get in your way [on cycle and] post-cycle.[/quote]

Do your cycle in January, keep us all updated (before/during/after PCT); pictures speak a thousand words.