Im 20 years old nearly 21, lifting for 4 years, 200lbs. Training 5 days a week, deadlift = 360lbs, squat = 300lbs, bench discontinued due to weak rotator cuff.
200mg Nandrolone Decanoate every 5 days
200mg Test Cypionate every 5 days
40mg Dianabol on lifting days only
PCT starts 2 weeks after last jab, Nolva 40/40/20/20
I also have proviron, do I need it?
Thanks.
Many will suggest not using the nandrolone on a first cycle. 200mg of test is way low for a cycle, it’s basically a TRT dose.
40mg dbol on lifting days only?
How many weeks are you going to run it for?
Your post wasn’t the worst ‘first cycle’ thread, but it definitely isn’t where it needs to be before you start.
Also, 20 (almost 21) is still a bit young. Just saying.
Didnt you know that steroids can make your testacles smaller then they already are? And can give you acne and make you impotent? Steroids dont make athletes, they destroy them. You should just drink alot of milk and push yourself in the gym.
[quote]SuperJackedXX wrote:
Didnt you know that steroids can make your testacles smaller then they already are? And can give you acne and make you impotent? Steroids dont make athletes, they destroy them. You should just drink alot of milk and push yourself in the gym.[/quote]
STFU.
The problem with the stickies is no reads them… maybe even no one sees them anymore
I have read the stickies, the test and deca is running for 10 weeks, I have already had 2 200mg jabs over the past 10 days, but I have decided to bump that up to 400mg per jab starting for the next jab (sunday). Is it ok to increase the dosage DURING the cycle or is it safer to stick to original dosage?
The Dianabol I am pyramiding up to 50mg a day, then tapering down near the end of the cycle.
Just read through the sticky once more, sorry, my aim is lean muscle, bring up lagging body parts etc.
I would also like to add that I think im more vulnerable to gyno as I developed some from Epistane a few years ago, maybe Im not more vulnerable it may have just been the pro hormone.
Right, you’ve started this cycle already. Do you have an AI? What about a dopamine agonist? I’m guessing the answer to both questions is no. If you already have gyno after using a PH, you’re not doing yourself any favours.
I dont have either, I was led to believe only nolva was necessary when coming off the cycle by my suppliers. I can get adex on hand however, but is it not too late to start an AI now as it takes time to build up in the system? I have not seen any gyno on the cycle so far…
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I dont have either, I was led to believe only nolva was necessary when coming off the cycle by my suppliers. I can get adex on hand however, but is it not too late to start an AI now as it takes time to build up in the system? I have not seen any gyno on the cycle so far…[/quote]
I hope you can take this the right way [aka as helpful advice]. You were grossly ill prepared and under-educated to start this cycle.
Having said that I will say that yes you can adjust during the cycle you basically just rob yourself of time if you realize you’ve been underdosing or what not. The nolva is good that you have it. Get some adex asap. It’d be good to have some caber as well. On the record there’s a 90% chance you won’t need it based on user statistics…but you’d hate to be in that 10% without it. E5D is also a very odd pin-frequency. Admittedly it is mildly acceptable for something like Deca. But even there its a bit better to pin slightly more frequently just to keep levels stable. IMO ND has a half life of 7 days and TC has a 5-6 day half life. If you accept my values as true I hope you see the wisdom of at least doing bi-weekly shots to keep your levels more balanced.
Ideally you would have frontloaded your TC and ND [aka taken a double dose day 1] so when you ask if you can change dose levels of course you can but you eventually need to settle in.
Finally, there is absolutely no reason to pyramid up or down with dbol, none whatsoever.
Thank you saps i took it as positive criticism, so i will do deca E5D, test E3D 200mg, thats around 400mg a week. I wont pyramid up or down dbol, ill use 50mg and stick to it…
I have 28 tabs of 1mg arimidex on hand now, should i start running it now or if gyno symptoms start? im currently on 400mg of test (every tuesday and thursday, deca 200mg every tuesday)
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I have 28 tabs of 1mg arimidex on hand now, should i start running it now or if gyno symptoms start? im currently on 400mg of test (every tuesday and thursday, deca 200mg every tuesday)[/quote]
If you have a pill split I’d split them all in half. You probably cannot split the halves in half though. .5mg anastrozole is a bit more than most need. Especially for just 400mg of Test a week. If you cannot get your pills smaller than .5mg than you’d take those probably E3D or so
Even with Deca’s longish half life I’d still recommend you hit it bi-weekly as you do with your test e. Also please dont do tuesday and thursday. Split the week in half and go that way
I see, Thank you saps, Ok I was also considering upping the Deca to twice a week too, the Arimidex I will split into 2 but I will try splitting it further, what week should I drop the adex? Run it all 10 weeks and drop it with the end of the cycle before the nolva? I know now I was ill prepared for this cycle but now that I am on it I just need as much help as possible…
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I see, Thank you saps, Ok I was also considering upping the Deca to twice a week too, the Arimidex I will split into 2 but I will try splitting it further, what week should I drop the adex? Run it all 10 weeks and drop it with the end of the cycle before the nolva? I know now I was ill prepared for this cycle but now that I am on it I just need as much help as possible…[/quote]
You dont necessarily have to up dose on the Deca just injection frequency. Again it is minimally acceptable to hit Deca just once a week given its long half life. You will be better off hitting it bi weekly. And yes discontinue the adex prior to running your nolva if that is the PCT protocol you’re going with
Thank you all for your advice, Im 4 weeks into my cycle, going good.
Havent really been checking on scales but have seen some good results in the mirror. Something I noticed, I have had a lump under my nipple from 2 years ago which developed because of some stupid uneducated PH usage, however it seems that it has gone soft and is decreasing in size. Im running 0.25mg adex E3D, could this be reversing it? Just curious.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Im 20 years old nearly 21, lifting for 4 years, 200lbs. Training 5 days a week, deadlift = 360lbs, squat = 300lbs, bench discontinued due to weak rotator cuff.
200mg Nandrolone Decanoate every 5 days
200mg Test Cypionate every 5 days
40mg Dianabol on lifting days only
PCT starts 2 weeks after last jab, Nolva 40/40/20/20
I also have proviron, do I need it?
Thanks.[/quote]
Seriously man, your stats are pretty much identical to mine and you really think you need to do a cycle? At this level of development, i just feel like the risks outweigh the benefits and that my money is better spent on food.
I get what you are saying, however I have already started the cycle
I think you should do some rehab work to fix your rotator cuff, if that’s possible. You don’t have to do flat bench ever again, but your shoulder health is important.
I definetly need to start to do rotator cuff exercises, today I was training chest and as always I left the gym feeling like I did a shoulder (specially the left delt) workout instead of a chest workout. Jabbing the deca and test together doesnt give too much pain the following days, however has anyone had similar problems as me that the pain of test only jabs does not subside for considerabelly longer?