[quote]Koing wrote:
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AND check this sh!t out for politics…we are HOSTING the 2012 Games and WE ARE NOT SENDING A FULL SQUAD, wtf?! We are sending HALF A SQUAD so only 3 out of 6 men…what a complete balls up…
Koing[/quote]
Now that is some BullShit man.
[quote]tdubs wrote:
[quote]IrishMarc wrote:
Why is everyone talking about steroids? Shut the fuck up and grow up.
That video is fucking phenomenal and so is the lifter respect it for what it is you nippy cunts.
If he was walking around with a testosterone drip I wouldn’t give a shit but he has never admitted to juicing and has not tested positive so as far as you know he is clean.
Since this is the case I shall reiterate.
Shut the fuck up.
Again phenomenal lifting this guy is going to do some damage on the world stage.
[/quote]
You’re contradicting yourself. You say you wouldn’t give a shit if the guy was walking around with Testosterone drip, yet you say he’s going to do damage on the world stage. If he is in fact on the juice, how then is he going to be doing damage on the National/World/Olympic stage? Mandatory testing (assuming tests are available and accurate for all drugs in common usage) would identify any drug use.
Dr Manhattan and I probably in the same school of though here, so to clarify:
The question of steroid use is simply to know if the lifts are natural or not. I have huge respect for his numbers. I am saying I would have more if they are drug-free.
Case in point:
Ben Johnson and Usain Bolt have both set 100m world records in their respective generations. Both are outstanding achievements. But which do you respect more? [/quote]
The question of drug use should not be brought up in this thread.
You are sullying it with speculation for which you have no evidence, you are not adding to the thread.
How about you keep your speculation to yourself and don’t disrespect a coach or athlete who took time to share such an awesome video with us.
[quote]Koing wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
First off, the man is ridiculously strong, juice or no juice. And really I think the juice thing is a moot point, either he’s not juicing and he’s going to hear speculation about that his whole life, or he is, but because Broz doesn’t exactly seem like a dummy, he never gets caught (potentially similar to a number of international level lifters). Far as I’m concerned, I could give two shits unless he gets caught.
I would like to see him compete though. If the intent is for him to go to the Olympics and win medals (which it seems like it is), then I’d like to see how his training lifts translate to competitions. Because insane training lifts are great and all, but they don’t mean much if you can’t replicate that success in a meet. As far as pressure in meets and only going out if you’ve got a reasonable shot at winning, well, I guess if that’s the way you think about it then that’s the way you’d proceed. Not everybody thinks about it like that though, so I’m not surprised you’re hearing stuff from other people. Right now I’m not competing to beat other people, I’m competing to beat myself. When I step onto that platform, it’s just me and the bar, and for right now, that’s all that matters. Maybe that’ll change when I get to the point of competing for national titles and maybe competing internationally, but that’s not for me to say.
And it’s late and I’m starting to ramble so I’m going to cut myself off. Beastly lifts though, fucking ridiculously beastly.
Edit: Also, not sure how exactly he’d have a better opportunity lifting for Brazil than the USA. If his training lifts translate to competition, he would be the #1 superheavy in America, no?[/quote]
08 Beijing, Casey got points for the US and the No1 US 105+ and he got left behind because of politics or the other lifters had better chances ‘relative to their class’ then Casey…this is how it is in England also.
AND check this sh!t out for politics…we are HOSTING the 2012 Games and WE ARE NOT SENDING A FULL SQUAD, wtf?! We are sending HALF A SQUAD so only 3 out of 6 men…what a complete balls up…
Koing[/quote]
What a steamy load of bullshit.
Lack of funding from UKSport I presume?
[quote]IrishMarc wrote:
[quote]tdubs wrote:
[quote]IrishMarc wrote:
Why is everyone talking about steroids? Shut the fuck up and grow up.
That video is fucking phenomenal and so is the lifter respect it for what it is you nippy cunts.
If he was walking around with a testosterone drip I wouldn’t give a shit but he has never admitted to juicing and has not tested positive so as far as you know he is clean.
Since this is the case I shall reiterate.
Shut the fuck up.
Again phenomenal lifting this guy is going to do some damage on the world stage.
[/quote]
You’re contradicting yourself. You say you wouldn’t give a shit if the guy was walking around with Testosterone drip, yet you say he’s going to do damage on the world stage. If he is in fact on the juice, how then is he going to be doing damage on the National/World/Olympic stage? Mandatory testing (assuming tests are available and accurate for all drugs in common usage) would identify any drug use.
Dr Manhattan and I probably in the same school of though here, so to clarify:
The question of steroid use is simply to know if the lifts are natural or not. I have huge respect for his numbers. I am saying I would have more if they are drug-free.
Case in point:
Ben Johnson and Usain Bolt have both set 100m world records in their respective generations. Both are outstanding achievements. But which do you respect more? [/quote]
The question of drug use should not be brought up in this thread.
You our sullying it with speculation for which you have no evidence, you are not adding to the thread.
How about you keep your speculation to yourself and don’t disrespect a coach or athlete who took time to share such an awesome video with us.
[/quote]
I disagree. As far as I’m aware, weightlifting is a drug tested sport. As is the 100m. As is the marathon. Such is the competitive nature of top level sport, and the high rewards that success will bring, some people will cheat and use drugs to win.
And in all drug tested sports, when an athlete sets a new benchmark they are checked for illegal chemical aids.
To address your last point, I have at no point disrespected anyone. In fact I specifically said I have huge respect for the numbers he is putting up. And you don’t put up a 200kg snatch without excellent technique, and excellent technique has nothing to do with the use of performance-enhancing drugs, only very good coaching and diligent pratice.
You’re correct in saying I have no evidence but incorrect in accusing me of speculation as to his drug use. Had I posted something like “That’s a bullshit, he must be on drugs” then you’d be right in what you’re saying.
But at no point have I accused him of anything. I asked only if he was natural, or drug assisted. That is a straight-down-the-line question which has a black or white answer.
[quote]Koing wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
First off, the man is ridiculously strong, juice or no juice. And really I think the juice thing is a moot point, either he’s not juicing and he’s going to hear speculation about that his whole life, or he is, but because Broz doesn’t exactly seem like a dummy, he never gets caught (potentially similar to a number of international level lifters). Far as I’m concerned, I could give two shits unless he gets caught.
I would like to see him compete though. If the intent is for him to go to the Olympics and win medals (which it seems like it is), then I’d like to see how his training lifts translate to competitions. Because insane training lifts are great and all, but they don’t mean much if you can’t replicate that success in a meet. As far as pressure in meets and only going out if you’ve got a reasonable shot at winning, well, I guess if that’s the way you think about it then that’s the way you’d proceed. Not everybody thinks about it like that though, so I’m not surprised you’re hearing stuff from other people. Right now I’m not competing to beat other people, I’m competing to beat myself. When I step onto that platform, it’s just me and the bar, and for right now, that’s all that matters. Maybe that’ll change when I get to the point of competing for national titles and maybe competing internationally, but that’s not for me to say.
And it’s late and I’m starting to ramble so I’m going to cut myself off. Beastly lifts though, fucking ridiculously beastly.
Edit: Also, not sure how exactly he’d have a better opportunity lifting for Brazil than the USA. If his training lifts translate to competition, he would be the #1 superheavy in America, no?[/quote]
08 Beijing, Casey got points for the US and the No1 US 105+ and he got left behind because of politics or the other lifters had better chances ‘relative to their class’ then Casey…this is how it is in England also.
AND check this sh!t out for politics…we are HOSTING the 2012 Games and WE ARE NOT SENDING A FULL SQUAD, wtf?! We are sending HALF A SQUAD so only 3 out of 6 men…what a complete balls up…
Koing[/quote]
Right, I forgot about the Casey Burgener debacle. But, again, if Pat’s lifts in training translate to competition, I don’t see how anyone in their right mind could keep him off an international squad.
And how in the fuck are you not sending a full squad to the 2012 games??? The host country automatically qualifies the maximum possible number of athletes, no? What’s the issue, have they dropped so much on the exorbitant stadiums and whatnot that the Olympics practically demand these days that they can’t afford cab money to get their athletes from their homes to the venues??? Fucking ridiculous.
[quote]tdubs wrote:
You’re contradicting yourself. You say you wouldn’t give a shit if the guy was walking around with Testosterone drip, yet you say he’s going to do damage on the world stage. If he is in fact on the juice, how then is he going to be doing damage on the National/World/Olympic stage? Mandatory testing (assuming tests are available and accurate for all drugs in common usage) would identify any drug use.[/quote]
Do you really believe that everyone at the National/World/Olympic stage who uses PEDs gets caught?
IF he ever gets caught using PEDs (and that’s a huge motherfucking if, even if you assume that he is juiced to the nines) then I think the discussion of steroids with regard to this guy can happen. Until then, it’s pure speculation that means absolutely dick.
[quote]tdubs wrote:
[quote]IrishMarc wrote:
[quote]tdubs wrote:
[quote]IrishMarc wrote:
Why is everyone talking about steroids? Shut the fuck up and grow up.
That video is fucking phenomenal and so is the lifter respect it for what it is you nippy cunts.
If he was walking around with a testosterone drip I wouldn’t give a shit but he has never admitted to juicing and has not tested positive so as far as you know he is clean.
Since this is the case I shall reiterate.
Shut the fuck up.
Again phenomenal lifting this guy is going to do some damage on the world stage.
[/quote]
You’re contradicting yourself. You say you wouldn’t give a shit if the guy was walking around with Testosterone drip, yet you say he’s going to do damage on the world stage. If he is in fact on the juice, how then is he going to be doing damage on the National/World/Olympic stage? Mandatory testing (assuming tests are available and accurate for all drugs in common usage) would identify any drug use.
Dr Manhattan and I probably in the same school of though here, so to clarify:
The question of steroid use is simply to know if the lifts are natural or not. I have huge respect for his numbers. I am saying I would have more if they are drug-free.
Case in point:
Ben Johnson and Usain Bolt have both set 100m world records in their respective generations. Both are outstanding achievements. But which do you respect more? [/quote]
The question of drug use should not be brought up in this thread.
You our sullying it with speculation for which you have no evidence, you are not adding to the thread.
How about you keep your speculation to yourself and don’t disrespect a coach or athlete who took time to share such an awesome video with us.
[/quote]
I disagree. As far as I’m aware, weightlifting is a drug tested sport. As is the 100m. As is the marathon. Such is the competitive nature of top level sport, and the high rewards that success will bring, some people will cheat and use drugs to win.
And in all drug tested sports, when an athlete sets a new benchmark they are checked for illegal chemical aids.
To address your last point, I have at no point disrespected anyone. In fact I specifically said I have huge respect for the numbers he is putting up. And you don’t put up a 200kg snatch without excellent technique, and excellent technique has nothing to do with the use of performance-enhancing drugs, only very good coaching and diligent pratice.
You’re correct in saying I have no evidence but incorrect in accusing me of speculation as to his drug use. Had I posted something like “That’s a bullshit, he must be on drugs” then you’d be right in what you’re saying.
But at no point have I accused him of anything. I asked only if he was natural, or drug assisted. That is a straight-down-the-line question which has a black or white answer.
[/quote]
The fact that you’re asking it shows your lack of respect for coach Broz.
[quote]tdubs wrote:
You’re correct in saying I have no evidence but incorrect in accusing me of speculation as to his drug use. Had I posted something like “That’s a bullshit, he must be on drugs” then you’d be right in what you’re saying.
But at no point have I accused him of anything. I asked only if he was natural, or drug assisted. That is a straight-down-the-line question which has a black or white answer.
[/quote]
You may not be speculating directly, but you and Dr. M are furthering rumors that have no factual evidence to support. Sure you can say ‘well the haters say this’ but who gives a fuck about them? There are people who think hes juicing and Broz saying otherwise isnt going to change their minds. The fact that Pat has competed in drug tested meets doesnt change their mind, the question simply changes (i.e. oh well those meets werent recent enough, or some bullshit like that).
[quote]arnoud verschoor wrote:
The fact that you’re asking it shows your lack of respect for coach Broz.
[/quote]
Agreed.
Its one of my big criticisms of this website, where certain idiots who think that simply touching a barbell at one time or another entitles them to call out guys who have spent their lives developing as athletes and coaches.
Thats the most amazing training vid I think I’ll ever see.
Hey Broz:
What is a sample day in Buff’s diet?
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]arnoud verschoor wrote:
The fact that you’re asking it shows your lack of respect for coach Broz.
[/quote]
Agreed.
Its one of my big criticisms of this website, where certain idiots who think that simply touching a barbell at one time or another entitles them to call out guys who have spent their lives developing as athletes and coaches.
Thats the most amazing training vid I think I’ll ever see.[/quote]
The thing is, no one gets carte blanche. When an athlete’s or coach’s actions or decisions begin to look pretty suspicious, then the community around them has every right to question what is going on.
Despite the fact that Coach Broz claims that most of the Olympic community is on board with him, he went on to say that he doesn’t care what they do which is pretty suggestive of the fact that a large chunk is -not- on board with him. A lot of people on this board are not really part of the Olympic lifting community, and thus don’t really understand that this topic has been around for a little while.
Outside of our community, many of you might not care if this kid is doping or not. Again, I really hope he isn’t. I’d love to see an American in the medal hunt in 2012 (I actually hope Kendrick will be!). But there’s a lot of red flags here and that’s why I, personally, spoke up. If he is doping, and then goes clean for the required year period before he qualifies for the trials, he still has a huge advantage over guys who stayed clean the whole time. Considering that we are going to be lucky to get 2 slots from Pan Ams for the 2012 Olympics, that would be really unfair.
Again, I’d like to stress that I hope he isn’t, both for him and for the US.
I think the discussion on steroids is really out of place. I don’t think any question regarding whether he is juicing or not has any purpose other than to stir things up. The answer given is going to be no regardless. Do people think Broz is going to say “yes he is but keep it quiet yeah? We don’t want the olympics committee to find out!”
Innocent until proven guilty.
Excellent lifting
[quote]Mutsanah wrote:
Hey Broz:
What is a sample day in Buff’s diet?[/quote]
about 5 months ago the store where he has been getting all his supplements from since 10th grade, decided to sponsor him. Their in-house dietitian has been logging all his calories/pro/car/fat/sugar/etc. etc. along with a super strict diet, they have given him so many pills and powders - glutamine, creatine, vits, minerals, etc. etc.
I don’t even pretend to know everything he is taking, all I know is that these guys are professionals in the industry and since then he has lost 10 pounds, gotten much leaner and his strength not only has gone up, but his highs and lows (as far as weights lifted on a daily basis) have been much more consistent. The roller coaster is much smoother now. They are doing a fantastic job so I don’t ask. It’s one less hat I have to wear. I used to ask what he ate for breakfast, etc. to see if he was on the right track, now I don’t even bother.
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]arnoud verschoor wrote:
The fact that you’re asking it shows your lack of respect for coach Broz.
[/quote]
Agreed.
Its one of my big criticisms of this website, where certain idiots who think that simply touching a barbell at one time or another entitles them to call out guys who have spent their lives developing as athletes and coaches.
Thats the most amazing training vid I think I’ll ever see.[/quote]
The thing is, no one gets carte blanche. When an athlete’s or coach’s actions or decisions begin to look pretty suspicious, then the community around them has every right to question what is going on.
Despite the fact that Coach Broz claims that most of the Olympic community is on board with him, he went on to say that he doesn’t care what they do which is pretty suggestive of the fact that a large chunk is -not- on board with him. A lot of people on this board are not really part of the Olympic lifting community, and thus don’t really understand that this topic has been around for a little while.
Outside of our community, many of you might not care if this kid is doping or not. Again, I really hope he isn’t. I’d love to see an American in the medal hunt in 2012 (I actually hope Kendrick will be!). But there’s a lot of red flags here and that’s why I, personally, spoke up. If he is doping, and then goes clean for the required year period before he qualifies for the trials, he still has a huge advantage over guys who stayed clean the whole time. Considering that we are going to be lucky to get 2 slots from Pan Ams for the 2012 Olympics, that would be really unfair.
Again, I’d like to stress that I hope he isn’t, both for him and for the US. [/quote]
Immense lifting!
0 to 170 in a year! Fuck me sideways!
Excellent achievement to both of you!
[quote]IrishMarc wrote:
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]arnoud verschoor wrote:
The fact that you’re asking it shows your lack of respect for coach Broz.
[/quote]
Agreed.
Its one of my big criticisms of this website, where certain idiots who think that simply touching a barbell at one time or another entitles them to call out guys who have spent their lives developing as athletes and coaches.
Thats the most amazing training vid I think I’ll ever see.[/quote]
The thing is, no one gets carte blanche. When an athlete’s or coach’s actions or decisions begin to look pretty suspicious, then the community around them has every right to question what is going on.
Despite the fact that Coach Broz claims that most of the Olympic community is on board with him, he went on to say that he doesn’t care what they do which is pretty suggestive of the fact that a large chunk is -not- on board with him. A lot of people on this board are not really part of the Olympic lifting community, and thus don’t really understand that this topic has been around for a little while.
Outside of our community, many of you might not care if this kid is doping or not. Again, I really hope he isn’t. I’d love to see an American in the medal hunt in 2012 (I actually hope Kendrick will be!). But there’s a lot of red flags here and that’s why I, personally, spoke up. If he is doping, and then goes clean for the required year period before he qualifies for the trials, he still has a huge advantage over guys who stayed clean the whole time. Considering that we are going to be lucky to get 2 slots from Pan Ams for the 2012 Olympics, that would be really unfair.
Again, I’d like to stress that I hope he isn’t, both for him and for the US. [/quote]
[/quote]
Yeah seriously, Broz has already dispelled the BS rumors you decided to further, so give it a rest.
Hey Broz, thats simply immense lifting!
A few questions:
The bulgarian system has obviously had great results for your lifters, but how do you deal with the plateus that eventually crop up from doing the same stuff over and over? From history it seems that athletes using the old style USSR systems have longer spans of improvement.
Do you notice large differences between morning and evening workout performance with your athletes? I can handle much more weight in the evening.
Did pat have any major technical issues starting out? How did you address them?
Thanks in advance
[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
I think the discussion on steroids is really out of place. I don’t think any question regarding whether he is juicing or not has any purpose other than to stir things up. The answer given is going to be no regardless. Do people think Broz is going to say “yes he is but keep it quiet yeah? We don’t want the olympics committee to find out!”
Innocent until proven guilty.
Excellent lifting[/quote]
Excellent lifting indeed. That is some rare talent. I’m looking forward to seeing and hearing more about this guy.
[quote]supa power wrote:
Hey Broz, thats simply immense lifting!
A few questions:
The bulgarian system has obviously had great results for your lifters, but how do you deal with the plateus that eventually crop up from doing the same stuff over and over? From history it seems that athletes using the old style USSR systems have longer spans of improvement.
Do you notice large differences between morning and evening workout performance with your athletes? I can handle much more weight in the evening.
Did pat have any major technical issues starting out? How did you address them?
Thanks in advance[/quote]
there have been plateaus with all our lifters. With Pat, there was a point that regardless of how many times a day / week he went max, he could’t get past 165 in the snatch. After 4 months it went up 15 kg in a week. I was tracking how many times he made 160 before he made 170 for the first time, then 180 to make 190, etc. There was no pattern. If you continue to push to the maximum long enough you will eventually break down the barrier which restrains you. It might be the feel for the bar, technique, power, timing, etc. Keep smashing a wall long enough and the bricks will eventually crumble.
The morning workouts have usually been the “wake up” workouts. Again, for Pat, every morning for almost a year his AM session was: 250 BS x 1, 150PS, 180PC. The session would take 45-60 min. The PM session was the one that we did the most work in. Now that he is in better condition, we do max S and C every session. There has only been a handful of times that his AM workout exceeded his PM workout. When I was on this program it was the same for me. On any days that I missed my AM workout, I could never lift as big in the PM as usual.
His flexibility in the clean was very bad. I had to stretch his tri’s and rear delts before every workout. He never did S or J before, so he hadn’t acquired any bad habits yet for those.
Does Mendes play american football? Hopefully not because he is going to do damage in weightlifting