Finished Bulking, What's Next?

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[quote]OneMoreRep wrote:
Now if your economic situation is really tough and you can’t even get the quantity of food you need no less the quality, then yea your gains are going to be tougher to come by and MEYMZ if you are in that situation then i get you. For me, who i consider was in a fairly average economic situation in college, i just spent a little less on beer. I also got to know some of the cafeteria men/women so when I was on a meal plan they hooked me up. [/quote]

I read somewhere on the forum that exact thing. make friends with the cafeteria ladies. they will make your life wonderful. and generally fuller more often

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Or if you go to an awesome school like GV they have all you can eat cafeteria for $7.50 (when I was a freshman) or 1 meal voucher. I really wish I was smarter as a freshman… I would have abused that system now it’s cheaper for me to buy/make my own food.

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[quote]Kanada wrote:
OneMoreRep wrote:
Now if your economic situation is really tough and you can’t even get the quantity of food you need no less the quality, then yea your gains are going to be tougher to come by and MEYMZ if you are in that situation then i get you. For me, who i consider was in a fairly average economic situation in college, i just spent a little less on beer. I also got to know some of the cafeteria men/women so when I was on a meal plan they hooked me up.

I read somewhere on the forum that exact thing. make friends with the cafeteria ladies. they will make your life wonderful. and generally fuller more often[/quote]

LOL, I’m responsible for changing the topic of this discussion, but then the OP should bulk more as many guys say.

Every guy who is at least 6feet should bulk up to at least 220 pounds.

6’-6’1": 220-225
6’2"-6’3": 235-240
6’4": 250aprox

Well this is my guess. I think any less than that won’t look full. Any thoughts?

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any ideas for under 6’ foot? lol

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

For real. That’s like 180 or so at my height. I was skinny as hell at 180lbs.

Why are the goals so low all of a sudden?

Yes, we all have different goals, but if you shoot for the basement, you will be less likely to go all out in the effort to reach that goal…which means you will be less likely to even reach the lesser goal.

The guy going to school to be that electrical engineer will probably work harder for better grades than the guy who majors in Phys Ed just so he doesn’t have to study as much.[/quote]

This is one of the best quotes I have read!

Everyone seems to want abs because summer is coming and they can take their shirt off to impress the ladies. Funny thing is, and maybe this is exclusive to my gym, but the girls at my gym seem to be around and flirting with the biggest guys in the gym all the time! I rarely see them hanging around the guys who look like they haven’t eaten in 3 weeks but have abs. So if you want to “cut” so you can look good at the beach, maybe you should rethink your goals.

Just as a reference, one of my good friends is 6’ 175lbs and very lean, but does not workout…

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It’s always a good idea to go beyond what your initial thoughts are for a “stopping point” for bulking. Two main reasons why aer

1 - You get stronger
2 - You get stronger

I was 179lbs and wanted to compete in teh 198lb class for power lifting, so I bulked for 15-16mo up to 215lbs and have been slowly dropping back calories and adding in some BB complexes to get the fat to melt away.

If I stopped at my original thought of 205lbs, I’d still probably have 10-12lbs of fat on my body…loose 80% of that and I’d be under weight for my weight class.

It really is worth bulking up a bit more (even if it’s ‘beach season’) and doing it correct.

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[quote]juice82 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

For real. That’s like 180 or so at my height. I was skinny as hell at 180lbs.

Why are the goals so low all of a sudden?

Yes, we all have different goals, but if you shoot for the basement, you will be less likely to go all out in the effort to reach that goal…which means you will be less likely to even reach the lesser goal.

The guy going to school to be that electrical engineer will probably work harder for better grades than the guy who majors in Phys Ed just so he doesn’t have to study as much.

This is one of the best quotes I have read!

Everyone seems to want abs because summer is coming and they can take their shirt off to impress the ladies. Funny thing is, and maybe this is exclusive to my gym, but the girls at my gym seem to be around and flirting with the biggest guys in the gym all the time! I rarely see them hanging around the guys who look like they haven’t eaten in 3 weeks but have abs. So if you want to “cut” so you can look good at the beach, maybe you should rethink your goals.

Just as a reference, one of my good friends is 6’ 175lbs and very lean, but does not workout…

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Alot of chicks say they don’t like men with too many muscles. I think alot of them even THINK they don’t. Women like big boys.

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[quote]GVkid wrote:
any ideas for under 6’ foot? lol[/quote]

5’10"-5’11": 210-220
5’8"-5’9": 190-200
5’6"-5’7": 175-180

Well I guess I’m going too far throwing up some numbers, this is just my guess. Bone structure and somatotype will make these bulking minimums vary. At 5’8" I was about 215-220 highest, but I think I could get bigger than that. I think that if someone like you gets to 190 he will look really buffed.

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[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
I have a friend who is 210, has fat on his belly, 6 feet and he doesn’t look jacked.[/quote]

I fit that description exactly. Need to get to around 230. We’re semi-tall. A soft 210 aint shit on our frames.

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[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
GVkid wrote:
any ideas for under 6’ foot? lol

5’10"-5’11": 210-220
5’8"-5’9": 190-200
5’6"-5’7": 175-180

Well I guess I’m going too far throwing up some numbers, this is just my guess. Bone structure and somatotype will make these bulking minimums vary. At 5’8" I was about 215-220 highest, but I think I could get bigger than that. I think that if someone like you gets to 190 he will look really buffed.[/quote]

I think you’re going way low.

I’m 5’8 and at almost 200 lbs. I’ll need to get to probably 215-220 to begin cutting down

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I don’t get all of these cutting threads. People start to see a little fat and they get scared and want to cut. The bottom line is a high percentage of everyone who is big started out skinny. And probably an even higher percentage of those who are big realized that with a little extra fat and having a caloric surplus they were able to achieve the mass they have, and were not worried about cutting.

I cannot fathom how someone who says they want to be huge feels they can also be 6% bf as well, you just arent taking in enough calories to do so and it would take forever just to notice the smallest gains.

This excludes the pro bodybuilders as they have already achieved a level of mass that can most likely not be achieved by most, regardless of what they do.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
GVkid wrote:
any ideas for under 6’ foot? lol

5’10"-5’11": 210-220
5’8"-5’9": 190-200
5’6"-5’7": 175-180

Well I guess I’m going too far throwing up some numbers, this is just my guess. Bone structure and somatotype will make these bulking minimums vary. At 5’8" I was about 215-220 highest, but I think I could get bigger than that. I think that if someone like you gets to 190 he will look really buffed.

I think you’re going way low.

I’m 5’8 and at almost 200 lbs. I’ll need to get to probably 215-220 to begin cutting down[/quote]

Yeah, that’s how I bulked first, but then I think not everyone has the same goals as us.

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[quote]MEYMZ wrote:

Every guy who is at least 6feet should bulk up to at least 220 pounds.

6’-6’1": 220-225
6’2"-6’3": 235-240
6’4": 250aprox

Well this is my guess. I think any less than that won’t look full. Any thoughts?[/quote]

These numbers are too low to me.I am barely 6 foot 1, weigh 215 or so and feel like I need to gain at least 25-35 more pounds to even consider cutting.

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[quote]rotty88 wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:

Every guy who is at least 6feet should bulk up to at least 220 pounds.

6’-6’1": 220-225
6’2"-6’3": 235-240
6’4": 250aprox

Well this is my guess. I think any less than that won’t look full. Any thoughts?

These numbers are too low to me.I am barely 6 foot 1, weigh 215 or so and feel like I need to gain at least 25-35 more pounds to even consider cutting.
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That’s why I said I might be going too far. It depends on someone’s goals, but I’m sure many t-guys (true t-guys) up here will want to get freaky huge. From your opinion, what you’re saying is that you’ll need to be 240-250 at 6’1", so 20-30 pounds higher than you are now. Wheh you get to that size you calculate that you’ll be satisfied with your bulking goals, that that’ll be enough, but not minimal as I said.

Yep, this follows with “who the fuck wants to get to the minimal bulking size MEYMZ said?” I don’t, and I agree if neither do you.

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If funds are that limited use no supps. They aren’t really necessary IMO, just focus on diet, buy bulk foods and train as hard as you can. U can gain very well on a well planned basic diet some hard training. (multivits are cheap and worth keeping though)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
acelement wrote:
Hey man,

I was in the EXACT same situation as you. Bulked from 175 to 208 at 6’1’’ and stopped. \I already told myself to be at a dense 200, I’d have to bulk to 220-225.

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A dense 200 at 6’1 better be like 4% BF. It’s a good thing to shoot for, but don’t be surprised if you don’t want more :wink:

For real. That’s like 180 or so at my height. I was skinny as hell at 180lbs.

Why are the goals so low all of a sudden?

Yes, we all have different goals, but if you shoot for the basement, you will be less likely to go all out in the effort to reach that goal…which means you will be less likely to even reach the lesser goal.

The guy going to school to be that electrical engineer will probably work harder for better grades than the guy who majors in Phys Ed just so he doesn’t have to study as much.[/quote]

This is my current goal. Short-term, as in, within the year. It follows these guidelines of 220-225 for a guy my height. It’s not set in stone, for a while I’ve wanted to be 200 @ < 10% body fat. Maybe when I get there I’ll want to go bigger, but I know I can achieve that within 2009. It’s not that I’m shooting for the basement, I’m just trying to set reasonable goals that I can achieve within the year. I’m comfortable with that goal, and that’s all the really matters.

It’s funny, I am a computer engineer, and I treat my gym time with the same intensity as I do my grades. I certainly go hard in the gym and with the fork.

Also, the whole “bulking in this economy” thing is total bullshit.

I am a destitute grad student and I eat like a king for $150/mo. Get a Sams Club membership, buy the following in bulk:

Rice, beans, chicken (10 lb bags for $20), ground turkey (<$10 for 5 lbs), frozen berries and vegetables, milk, nuts (the big pounder bags go for like $8), cheese…you get the idea.

I eat 4500-5000 cal/day and I’m averaging around $150/mo on this diet. It can be bland because I eat the same thing every day, but what’s more important to you?

EDIT: I just saw DG’s new avatar…6’ 230 @ 6.5% bf. Shit, I am aiming too low haha…

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[quote]I eat 4500-5000 cal/day and I’m averaging around $150/mo on this diet. It can be bland because I eat the same thing every day, but what’s more important to you?

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x2 I’m a student doing pretty much the same thing, not that hard.

and you could also do a ‘minicut’, since your metabolism is already revved high you can take advantage of this and cut for a short period of time (2-4 weeks) then bring intake back up. Layne Norton does this periodically during his offseason so he doesen’t get overly fat, and he’s looking pretty good right now.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I wouldn’t be this size if I was still in school…or rather, I would be much fatter from having to get more of my calories from cheaper food sources. I spend about 200 bucks a week on food alone (give or take depending how much steaks are on sale). I spend at least another 40 bucks on RTD protein shakes (It would be cheaper to buy the powder and make them myself but sometimes my time is really that limited during the day and these are just easier to get down).

Also, the time it takes me to cook for the week is something I doubt I could have pulled off before now. It takes about 3-4 hours at least to season all of that meat and then grill it. It is possibly longer if you add in the time it takes to vacuum seal all of that. Luckily, that means I only have to cook one day a week. The rest of the week just involves thawing meat out for 10min and then nuking it for 3.

With all of that said, the next time you see some guy who is really big, chances are he puts more into being that way than most people comprehend or have the drive to match.[/quote]

What exactly do you eat every day Prof? Do you only eat steak? Do you grill every meat portion and then just reheat throughout the week? I’m doing significantly more prep every week than you and I’m not eating as much, I must be doing something wrong.

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I’m about 6’4 and 212 and I wouldn’t consider myself small, we have no clue what this guy looks like, at 6’ 208 he might be a decent size?

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[quote]johnmurray2 wrote:
I’m about 6’4 and 212 and I wouldn’t consider myself small, we have no clue what this guy looks like, at 6’ 208 he might be a decent size?[/quote]

6’4 212 would be on the smaller side for the normal population, let alone bodybuilding.

Again, unless you’re at 4% body fat, or have insane genetics like 1morerep