[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
EDIT: and I don’t currently have implants, but if I wanted them, or a reduction, then I would have it done. It doesn’t mean I feel insecure, it would just mean I thought it was the right decision for me at that time.
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Im not going to be the one to tell you that you should or shouldnt. But I will say those sisters are just fine the way they are…then again I love them all anyway
All these guys who hate hot women are astounding
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Michele C wrote:
So about the inferiority complex… I just wanted to let you boys know that not all women who get implants feel like they are “less than” anyone else. When you train your ass off to get on stage, you can shape your shoulders, glutes, lats, abs, everything. The only thing you can’t change is your breasts. I wanted to feel good in my clothes, I like to be fit but not at the sacrifice of feeling like an 8 year old boy in my body.
I am not ashamed of how I was, I just wanted more freedom to shop for clothes and feel feminine.I actually agree that an off-season body looks better, and when I have more body fat you woundn’t even know they weren’t real.
Now, all of us here train in the gym. We are working on changing our bodies to look the way we want. All of us, not just the women. So does that mean that you, Sifu, have issues because you want big muscles? I am sure you will have a nice long explanation of why this is wrong.
I like to try and see other’s point of view, and I can actually understand where some of you come from. Even though I disagree, I guess I am hoping that I can show you that not all women with implants are as miserable people as you seem to think. I am not upset, just trying to open your minds, I guess.
And if you really want to know, here’s a “before,” because I am NOT ashamed and I am happy to show you the difference!
Oh and FYI, if you get a good doctor they won’t look like tennis balls.
Looking at your before picture I would say you needed to add some bodyfat. I hate to break it to you but being super lean look does not suit everybody.
If you’re implying that Michele doesn’t look great in that picture because she has low bodyfat, then you’re out of your fucking mind. Stop trying to push your personal preferences about women as fact. [/quote]
I think her face is cute, the body is alright, but would look better with a little more bodyfat to soften up her contours. [quote]
There are some things with the human body that just don’t look right. ie I am 5’7" I would look silly roided up to 240. I have friends at the gym who are built like that. People make fun of them and say they are trying to compensate for being short or they have a Napolean complex. At my height anything above 165 just becomes a burden. It starts making me look shorter, it affects the way I move and physical activity. Then there is the chore of cramming enough food down my throat that my entire digestive system fills stuffed from top to bottom. So I don’t feel a need to get big or at least not any bigger than I am.
Anything over 165 is a burden for you? Man, it must suck to have to set the bar so low for yourself. Why are you trolling around on a bodybuilding forum when 165 is the limit of what you want to achieve?
Despite not being tall, it’s funny how as I’ve gotten bigger, people have commented that I look taller.
Maybe you should change your username to “STFU”. I think that sums it up well. [/quote]
I am not trying to be a freakish bodybuilder. If I wanted to be over two hundred I could. It’s not like I can’t get some Finaplex, a pellet gun and whack myself behind the ear like they do with the cows.
But as I said I am 5’7". If I was 6’ I would set the bar around 200. My motivation for lifting is not purely esthetic, I do it to support my fighting ability. There is a point of diminishing returns, where added size does not help and becomes a hindrance. For a guy who is 5’7 about 165 is that limit, that is the same size as Matt Serra I might add. It’s only 15 pounds less than Franco Columbu when he won Mr Olympia.
But since I don’t like to have my feet hurt everytime I take a step and I don’t feeling like I constantly have to take a dump from excessive food intake, I set a limit. Besides my body has been beat on, literally. There is a correlation between food intake and lifespan by the way.
Obviously you haven’t noticed but this forum is a lot more than a bodybuilding forum. Besides not everybody has the same bodybuilding goals. I would much rather have strength than size and be functional with it.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Michele C wrote:
So about the inferiority complex… I just wanted to let you boys know that not all women who get implants feel like they are “less than” anyone else. When you train your ass off to get on stage, you can shape your shoulders, glutes, lats, abs, everything. The only thing you can’t change is your breasts. I wanted to feel good in my clothes, I like to be fit but not at the sacrifice of feeling like an 8 year old boy in my body.
I am not ashamed of how I was, I just wanted more freedom to shop for clothes and feel feminine.I actually agree that an off-season body looks better, and when I have more body fat you woundn’t even know they weren’t real.
Now, all of us here train in the gym. We are working on changing our bodies to look the way we want. All of us, not just the women. So does that mean that you, Sifu, have issues because you want big muscles? I am sure you will have a nice long explanation of why this is wrong.
I like to try and see other’s point of view, and I can actually understand where some of you come from. Even though I disagree, I guess I am hoping that I can show you that not all women with implants are as miserable people as you seem to think. I am not upset, just trying to open your minds, I guess.
And if you really want to know, here’s a “before,” because I am NOT ashamed and I am happy to show you the difference!
Oh and FYI, if you get a good doctor they won’t look like tennis balls.
Looking at your before picture I would say you needed to add some bodyfat. I hate to break it to you but being super lean look does not suit everybody.
If you’re implying that Michele doesn’t look great in that picture because she has low bodyfat, then you’re out of your fucking mind. Stop trying to push your personal preferences about women as fact.
I think her face is cute, the body is alright, but would look better with a little more bodyfat to soften up her contours.
There are some things with the human body that just don’t look right. ie I am 5’7" I would look silly roided up to 240. I have friends at the gym who are built like that. People make fun of them and say they are trying to compensate for being short or they have a Napolean complex. At my height anything above 165 just becomes a burden. It starts making me look shorter, it affects the way I move and physical activity. Then there is the chore of cramming enough food down my throat that my entire digestive system fills stuffed from top to bottom. So I don’t feel a need to get big or at least not any bigger than I am.
Anything over 165 is a burden for you? Man, it must suck to have to set the bar so low for yourself. Why are you trolling around on a bodybuilding forum when 165 is the limit of what you want to achieve?
Despite not being tall, it’s funny how as I’ve gotten bigger, people have commented that I look taller.
Maybe you should change your username to “STFU”. I think that sums it up well.
I am not trying to be a freakish bodybuilder. If I wanted to be over two hundred I could. It’s not like I can’t get some Finaplex, a pellet gun and whack myself behind the ear like they do with the cows.
But as I said I am 5’7". If I was 6’ I would set the bar around 200. My motivation for lifting is not purely esthetic, I do it to support my fighting ability. There is a point of diminishing returns, where added size does not help and becomes a hindrance. For a guy who is 5’7 about 165 is that limit, that is the same size as Matt Serra I might add. It’s only 15 pounds less than Franco Columbu when he won Mr Olympia.
But since I don’t like to have my feet hurt everytime I take a step and I don’t feeling like I constantly have to take a dump from excessive food intake, I set a limit. Besides my body has been beat on, literally. There is a correlation between food intake and lifespan by the way.
Obviously you haven’t noticed but this forum is a lot more than a bodybuilding forum. Besides not everybody has the same bodybuilding goals. I would much rather have strength than size and be functional with it. [/quote]
Well Mr. Armchair Critic. Now the truth comes out. You are a short, small person. Don’t give us this “I’m setting my own limits” crap. It’s simply an excuse for your small stature in life. So you are only 15 lbs less than Franco Columbo? Where’s the pics to show us how buff you are? I’m sure Michele C, GymJenn and the rest of the “Fake Boob” crowd would love to see how perfectly developed you are…you are a complete tool.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Obviously you haven’t noticed but this forum is a lot more than a bodybuilding forum. Besides not everybody has the same bodybuilding goals. I would much rather have strength than size and be functional with it. [/quote]
“The Under-Achiever’s Anthem”
You forgot the end part where you all yell, “Big muscles, ICKY!!!” in unison.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Obviously you haven’t noticed but this forum is a lot more than a bodybuilding forum. Besides not everybody has the same bodybuilding goals. I would much rather have strength than size and be functional with it.
“The Under-Achiever’s Anthem”
You forgot the end part where you all yell, “Big muscles, ICKY!!!” in unison.[/quote]
Somehow I knew a ProfX post was incoming when I read that last sentence.
Keep it up ladies, you rule!
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I don’t get the point of this thread. OP, you weren’t asking about their training or if this was the new standard you decided to bash on appearance and Sifu jumped on the bandwagon of more insulting comments. [/quote]
I think he was questioning why the supposed ideal physique for a fitness competitor is %3 bodyfat with breast implants to compensate for the low bodyfat. Why can’t a woman be considered to be fit without having to resort to surgery? Being so fit that you have to get surgery to compensate for it seems to be a contradiction.
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Then you justified your comments by trying to turn it into some mental disorder. [/quote]
Because I have seen and heard enough from women on the subject to see the insecurities that motivate them. Todays young women have a lot of pressure on them to conform to ideals of beauty that are not normal. Surely you must be aware of this.
[quote]
OP, you made a shallow thread with unkind comments and Sifu continued it. Nothing you said was constructive, you just wanted to bash these women, that was it, nothing more. [/quote]
It is not bashing to point out that not everyone thinks they look good.
[quote]randman wrote:
Sifu wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Michele C wrote:
.
Well Mr. Armchair Critic. Now the truth comes out. You are a short, small person. Don’t give us this “I’m setting my own limits” crap. It’s simply an excuse for your small stature in life. So you are only 15 lbs less than Franco Columbo? Where’s the pics to show us how buff you are? I’m sure Michele C, GymJenn and the rest of the “Fake Boob” crowd would love to see how perfectly developed you are…you are a complete tool.[/quote]
The truth finally comes out? My stats have been on my profile for years. Plus I have mentioned them in my posts before. I am comfortable with myself. Like I said I am not trying to be a bodybuilder.
Real tits, fake tits who cares as long as she can fuck more than 10 minutes without boring me is all I care about.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
randman wrote:
Sifu wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Michele C wrote:
.
Well Mr. Armchair Critic. Now the truth comes out. You are a short, small person. Don’t give us this “I’m setting my own limits” crap. It’s simply an excuse for your small stature in life. So you are only 15 lbs less than Franco Columbo?
Where’s the pics to show us how buff you are? I’m sure Michele C, GymJenn and the rest of the “Fake Boob” crowd would love to see how perfectly developed you are…you are a complete tool.
The truth finally comes out? My stats have been on my profile for years. Plus I have mentioned them in my posts before. I am comfortable with myself. Like I said I am not trying to be a bodybuilder. [/quote]
I got it. You’re comfortable with your underachievements. You also seem to think you got this whole fake boob thing figured out. Like you’ve been close enough to enough female fitness models that you can psychoanalyze them.
Like we already established, they wouldn’t give you the time or day.
You seem to be under the impression the only reasons girls get fake boobs is because of an insecurity. I’m sure this theory was cooked up from your armchair. News flash. Your genes determine your boob size.
In a lot of cases, it has absolutely nothing to do with insecurity why women get boob jobs. Most of the time it has to do with an ideal that fitness-minded women are trying to achieve. Some have very small boobs to begin with and then cut a bunch of bodyfat and don’t have much of anything left.
They want to achieve curves all over. No amount of lifting is going to change that.
It’s like being born with a small penis (like you for instance). If there was a safe surgery to increase it to a normal size that would complement the rest of your physique assuming you had any muscle wouldn’t you do it?
In your case the answer is no cuz you don’t have any appreciable muscle mass either.
[quote]Michele C wrote:
So about the inferiority complex… I just wanted to let you boys know that not all women who get implants feel like they are “less than” anyone else. When you train your ass off to get on stage, you can shape your shoulders, glutes, lats, abs, everything.
The only thing you can’t change is your breasts. I wanted to feel good in my clothes, I like to be fit but not at the sacrifice of feeling like an 8 year old boy in my body.
I am not ashamed of how I was, I just wanted more freedom to shop for clothes and feel feminine.I actually agree that an off-season body looks better, and when I have more body fat you woundn’t even know they weren’t real.
Now, all of us here train in the gym. We are working on changing our bodies to look the way we want. All of us, not just the women. So does that mean that you, Sifu, have issues because you want big muscles? I am sure you will have a nice long explanation of why this is wrong.
I like to try and see other’s point of view, and I can actually understand where some of you come from. Even though I disagree, I guess I am hoping that I can show you that not all women with implants are as miserable people as you seem to think. I am not upset, just trying to open your minds, I guess.
And if you really want to know, here’s a “before,” because I am NOT ashamed and I am happy to show you the difference!
Oh and FYI, if you get a good doctor they won’t look like tennis balls. [/quote]
Michelle,
Just wanted to say that you look great, both before and after.
I also think it’s great to that female lifters such as yourself, Dianab, GymJenn, DebraD, and other serious female lifters on this site don’t let what other’s say about how you “should” conduct yourselves affect you.
You know who you are and what you want, and you are willing to put in the time, effort and consistency to get it. That’s a rare thing in any endeavor and you deserve a lot of credit for it.
All you beautiful, serious, female lifters (fake breasts or otherwise) keep on doing what you’re doing. You’ve got the support of us serious male lifters all the way. 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Obviously you haven’t noticed but this forum is a lot more than a bodybuilding forum. Besides not everybody has the same bodybuilding goals. I would much rather have strength than size and be functional with it.
“The Under-Achiever’s Anthem” [quote]
My last cycle of Turinabol I was achieveing quite well actually. But everything tightened up on me so my flexibility went away and my balance was shot.
I just have a different set of goals. I’m not trying to look all big and scary so people won’t think to mess with me. I would rather have them underestimate me then if they try some shit I can surprise them.
I like lifting and I like to lift heavy. But that is not the sole focus of my training. When it comes to fighting arts there is a relationship between height and weight that affect ones ability.
[quote]
You forgot the end part where you all yell, “Big muscles, ICKY!!!” in unison.[/quote]
Only if they are Synthol or implants.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Michele C wrote:
So about the inferiority complex… I just wanted to let you boys know that not all women who get implants feel like they are “less than” anyone else.
When you train your ass off to get on stage, you can shape your shoulders, glutes, lats, abs, everything. The only thing you can’t change is your breasts. I wanted to feel good in my clothes, I like to be fit but not at the sacrifice of feeling like an 8 year old boy in my body.
I am not ashamed of how I was, I just wanted more freedom to shop for clothes and feel feminine.I actually agree that an off-season body looks better, and when I have more body fat you woundn’t even know they weren’t real.
Now, all of us here train in the gym. We are working on changing our bodies to look the way we want. All of us, not just the women. So does that mean that you, Sifu, have issues because you want big muscles? I am sure you will have a nice long explanation of why this is wrong.
I like to try and see other’s point of view, and I can actually understand where some of you come from. Even though I disagree, I guess I am hoping that I can show you that not all women with implants are as miserable people as you seem to think. I am not upset, just trying to open your minds, I guess.
And if you really want to know, here’s a “before,” because I am NOT ashamed and I am happy to show you the difference!
Oh and FYI, if you get a good doctor they won’t look like tennis balls.
Looking at your before picture I would say you needed to add some bodyfat. I hate to break it to you but being super lean look does not suit everybody.
If you’re implying that Michele doesn’t look great in that picture because she has low bodyfat, then you’re out of your fucking mind. Stop trying to push your personal preferences about women as fact.
I think her face is cute, the body is alright, but would look better with a little more bodyfat to soften up her contours.
There are some things with the human body that just don’t look right. ie I am 5’7" I would look silly roided up to 240. I have friends at the gym who are built like that. People make fun of them and say they are trying to compensate for being short or they have a Napolean complex.
At my height anything above 165 just becomes a burden. It starts making me look shorter, it affects the way I move and physical activity. Then there is the chore of cramming enough food down my throat that my entire digestive system fills stuffed from top to bottom. So I don’t feel a need to get big or at least not any bigger than I am.
Anything over 165 is a burden for you? Man, it must suck to have to set the bar so low for yourself. Why are you trolling around on a bodybuilding forum when 165 is the limit of what you want to achieve?
Despite not being tall, it’s funny how as I’ve gotten bigger, people have commented that I look taller.
Maybe you should change your username to “STFU”. I think that sums it up well.
I am not trying to be a freakish bodybuilder. If I wanted to be over two hundred I could. It’s not like I can’t get some Finaplex, a pellet gun and whack myself behind the ear like they do with the cows.
But as I said I am 5’7". If I was 6’ I would set the bar around 200. My motivation for lifting is not purely esthetic, I do it to support my fighting ability. There is a point of diminishing returns, where added size does not help and becomes a hindrance.
For a guy who is 5’7 about 165 is that limit, that is the same size as Matt Serra I might add. It’s only 15 pounds less than Franco Columbu when he won Mr Olympia.
But since I don’t like to have my feet hurt everytime I take a step and I don’t feeling like I constantly have to take a dump from excessive food intake, I set a limit. Besides my body has been beat on, literally. There is a correlation between food intake and lifespan by the way.
Obviously you haven’t noticed but this forum is a lot more than a bodybuilding forum. Besides not everybody has the same bodybuilding goals. I would much rather have strength than size and be functional with it. [/quote]
You should realize you’ve said nothing new. These women know there are people that don’t like implants without you harping on it for 5 pages. And they could care less.
Just like you apparently could care less that a lot of people–and most on this site–think someone that’s 165 looks like a skinny weannie. Even at 5’7. And that’s you’d look much better with a little mass. And it wouldn’t make you too bulky.
Is there anyone here who honestly thinks these girls aren’t beautiful, implants or not?
I suggest such people are addled.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
It is not bashing to point out that not everyone thinks they look good.
[/quote]
Not if it’s said once. It is when it’s repeated ad nauseum and paired with accusations of inferiority complexes and psychological issues.
[quote]randman wrote:
It’s like being born with a small penis (like you for instance). If there was a safe surgery to increase it to a normal size that would complement the rest of your physique assuming you had any muscle wouldn’t you do it? In your case the answer is no cuz you don’t have any appreciable muscle mass either.[/quote]
And the winner for “Quote of the Decade” goes to…
Randman.
Fucking brilliant.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Because I have seen and heard enough from women on the subject to see the insecurities that motivate them. Todays young women have a lot of pressure on them to conform to ideals of beauty that are not normal. Surely you must be aware of this.
[/quote]
I have heard this psychobabble for so long that it should be etched on stone tablets. They say the same bullshit about us if we dare build muscles any bigger than Tom Cruise.
“The only reason someone would want to be that big is if they are overcompensating for something.”
The thing is, I don’t lift weights for any of those people. I could care less if some girl thinks I am too big right now or if someone like you thinks bodybuilding makes you gay or insecure.
You are a little guy. There is no doubt in my mind that these women intimidate you.
We can throw around the psycho-bs as well. Aren’t short people overcompensating for how short they are by building up scenarios in their head where someone underestimates them and they in turn beat the living crap out of them?
This is bodybuilding. The goal is not for every average person to look at me and consider me “normal” or average. It is to build big muscles…strong muscles, and to be even better this time next year.
I would love to hear your psychoanalysis of all of this now.
[quote]randman wrote:
Sifu wrote:
randman wrote:
Sifu wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Michele C wrote:
.
Well Mr. Armchair Critic. Now the truth comes out. You are a short, small person. Don’t give us this “I’m setting my own limits” crap. It’s simply an excuse for your small stature in life.
So you are only 15 lbs less than Franco Columbo? Where’s the pics to show us how buff you are? I’m sure Michele C, GymJenn and the rest of the “Fake Boob” crowd would love to see how perfectly developed you are…you are a complete tool.
The truth finally comes out? My stats have been on my profile for years. Plus I have mentioned them in my posts before. I am comfortable with myself. Like I said I am not trying to be a bodybuilder.
I got it. You’re comfortable with your underachievements. You also seem to think you got this whole fake boob thing figured out. Like you’ve been close enough to enough female fitness models that you can psychoanalyze them.
Like we already established, they wouldn’t give you the time or day.
You seem to be under the impression the only reasons girls get fake boobs is because of an insecurity. I’m sure this theory was cooked up from your armchair. News flash. Your genes determine your boob size.
In a lot of cases, it has absolutely nothing to do with insecurity why women get boob jobs. Most of the time it has to do with an ideal that fitness-minded women are trying to achieve.
Some have very small boobs to begin with and then cut a bunch of bodyfat and don’t have much of anything left. They want to achieve curves all over. No amount of lifting is going to change that.
It’s like being born with a small penis (like you for instance). If there was a safe surgery to increase it to a normal size that would complement the rest of your physique assuming you had any muscle wouldn’t you do it? In your case the answer is no cuz you don’t have any appreciable muscle mass either.[/quote]
Okay I will stop the psychoanalysis of the ladies. Instead I’ll analize your fixation with my penis and desire to see my physique photos. I am not sending you photos of either so you are going to have to cruise somewhere else.
I find your stated interests in my anatomy very creepy especially when I look at your spanking Barney avatar. Did you get that with a NAMBLA membership?
Wow. Who knew so many men could get their panties in such a twist over boobies! Ya’ll are funny. So damn funny.
I just wanted to chime back in and say thanks for the love from those of you who “get” the whole chicks in the gym thing. It’s not just the Figure competitors, it’s all of us that live the obsessive life and enjoy the way it makes our bodies look and feel.
I, personally LOVE my breasts! And I’m more than ok with the number of you that don’t. Most of us, at this point in our training are used to being looked at as freaks. It’s just kind of a shame that we get the same reactions from some of you we believe to be our peers.
Call us what you will, I’m sure it’s nothing we haven’t already heard snickered in the locker room, or been told straight out on the streets. Thankfully most of us are undeniably secure with who we are, and the silly little shit just doesn’t matter.
big love
Jenn
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Because I have seen and heard enough from women on the subject to see the insecurities that motivate them. Todays young women have a lot of pressure on them to conform to ideals of beauty that are not normal. Surely you must be aware of this.
I have heard this psychobabble for so long that it should be etched on stone tablets. They say the same bullshit about us if we dare build muscles any bigger than Tom Cruise.
“The only reason someone would want to be that big is if they are overcompensating for something.”
The thing is, I don’t lift weights for any of those people. I could care less if some girl thinks I am too big right now or if someone like you thinks bodybuilding makes you gay or insecure.
You are a little guy. There is no doubt in my mind that these women intimidate you.
We can throw around the psycho-bs as well. Aren’t short people overcompensating for how short they are by building up scenarios in their head where someone underestimates them and they in turn beat the living crap out of them?
This is bodybuilding. The goal is not for every average person to look at me and consider me “normal” or average. It is to build big muscles…strong muscles, and to be even better this time next year.
I would love to hear your psychoanalysis of all of this now.[/quote]
I’ll concede the point to you X.