Figure competitors are hot. All the time. I’d rather have the fake boobs than none at all (if I were dating one of them).
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
The girls have totally dominated in this thread. The guys who have tired to make the case that you can tell the deep-rooted psychological issues every girl with breast implants has really have across as having their heads stuck up their assess.[/quote]
It’s one thing to say you don’t find implants attractive; it’s a whole 'nother ballgame when you start flinging mud and saying women who choose to get them have inferiority complexes and psychological issues.
MC, way to hand their asses to 'em! GymJenn too! You ladies rock.
[quote]Michele C wrote:
So about the inferiority complex… I just wanted to let you boys know that not all women who get implants feel like they are “less than” anyone else. When you train your ass off to get on stage, you can shape your shoulders, glutes, lats, abs, everything. The only thing you can’t change is your breasts. I wanted to feel good in my clothes, I like to be fit but not at the sacrifice of feeling like an 8 year old boy in my body.
I am not ashamed of how I was, I just wanted more freedom to shop for clothes and feel feminine.I actually agree that an off-season body looks better, and when I have more body fat you woundn’t even know they weren’t real.
Now, all of us here train in the gym. We are working on changing our bodies to look the way we want. All of us, not just the women. So does that mean that you, Sifu, have issues because you want big muscles? I am sure you will have a nice long explanation of why this is wrong.
I like to try and see other’s point of view, and I can actually understand where some of you come from. Even though I disagree, I guess I am hoping that I can show you that not all women with implants are as miserable people as you seem to think. I am not upset, just trying to open your minds, I guess.
And if you really want to know, here’s a “before,” because I am NOT ashamed and I am happy to show you the difference!
Oh and FYI, if you get a good doctor they won’t look like tennis balls. [/quote]
You look fantastic both before and after. 
I hope all ladies find good doctors; I’m not a tennis player and I don’t plan on picking up the sport.
[quote]sk01 wrote:
I was just watching DR90210 and there was this gorgeous woman with big natural breasts who because of the pressure of her industry she decided to add implants because apparently now the implant look is more desirable. I think that is totally fucked up.
That is my point, and I apologize to the myriad of women I pissed off lol.[/quote]
Aha! The root of the issue. Dr. 90210. Let’s all promise not to make any assumptions about the mental state of people based on the few individuals who are featured in “reality” shows. I don’t even want to get started on the media in this sense (I spent enough time in college writing papers about it) but let’s just turn off those junk shows and accept that people are individuals and generalizations can be unfair.
Thank you to everyone who jumped in on this, I think we actually got a great discussion going. I like to hear different points of view and I am happy that we can talk without just being mean and close-minded.
[quote]Defekt wrote:
I found it amusing how angry everyone got in this thread. [/quote]
I would say it’s more defensive than angry. That is what happens when you get people to face up to their delusions.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Defekt wrote:
I found it amusing how angry everyone got in this thread.
I would say it’s more defensive than angry. That is what happens when you get people to face up to their delusions.
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…and when you insult them, such as saying they “looked wrecked”. Whether it’s an accurate description of that person or not, in this case definitely not, insulting people is likely going to rile them up.
Oh, and people who don’t like fake tits are elitists. Why should women with natural ones have all the fun? This is a democracy damnit! hahaha…
Good grief!
I just read through this thread and I’m actually more amazed that there are guys that are so AGAINST women with implants - for whatever reason.
For the women that posted; God bless you. I think you all look outstanding and I’m a big supporter of breast implants, figuratively and literally. I love 'em, they’re even better in pairs…
Personal preference is a funny thing isn’t it? I don’t take too kindly to those that feel the need to tell me how to run my life. These types of people are constantly looking to fix others when in reality, they should concentrate on themselves.
[quote]Michele C wrote:
Aha! The root of the issue. Dr. 90210. Let’s all promise not to make any assumptions about the mental state of people based on the few individuals who are featured in “reality” shows. I don’t even want to get started on the media in this sense (I spent enough time in college writing papers about it) but let’s just turn off those junk shows and accept that people are individuals and generalizations can be unfair.
Thank you to everyone who jumped in on this, I think we actually got a great discussion going. I like to hear different points of view and I am happy that we can talk without just being mean and close-minded.
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Now I had come to this conclusion before I saw this episode, it is just something that really sickened me. Your right it is a stupid show, I however have an incredibly difficult time believing that breast augmentation is something that girls do for ‘themself’, maybe it really is in your case, I don’t know you enough to say one way or the other.
You have to know that while you feel one way about it, ten other girls are going out there to claim some sense of significance by surgical means. I would bet money that most women who get implants don’t have as reasonable a rationalization as you seemingly do.
I feel it’s at a point where we should just agree to disagree. True I am guilty of generalizing but it’s just my opinion and I find it difficult to be convinced otherwise.
[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
I’m a big supporter of breast implants, figuratively and literally.
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That was f$#&ing hilarious!
Not trying to enter this discussion, but I just wanted to comment on this.
While you can’t pin down anyone who works out as a guy/girl with issues, if you look at most people who OVER-REACHED and achieved something in life, anyone who is exceptional in some way or the other, whether its carrying enough muscle to stand out in a crowd, or being rich and powerful enough to throw your weight around, or wracking degree upon degree and/or research publications or whaztever…most of these people have/had some perceived inadequacy that they tried to compensate for. Thats not a bad thing.
If you FELT the need for enhancement - whether it was physical (surgery, cosmetics, big muscles, low body fat), social (wealth, status, degrees) you had issues. Short fucker syndrome, skinny guy syn, titless/assless bitch syn, bald man syn, midget dick syn…whateva.
Not that its a bad thing, we all have issues…and so we set goals.
[quote]Michele C wrote:
So does that mean that you, Sifu, have issues because you want big muscles? I am sure you will have a nice long explanation of why this is wrong.
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[quote]Michele C wrote:
So about the inferiority complex… I just wanted to let you boys know that not all women who get implants feel like they are “less than” anyone else. When you train your ass off to get on stage, you can shape your shoulders, glutes, lats, abs, everything. The only thing you can’t change is your breasts. I wanted to feel good in my clothes, I like to be fit but not at the sacrifice of feeling like an 8 year old boy in my body.
I am not ashamed of how I was, I just wanted more freedom to shop for clothes and feel feminine.I actually agree that an off-season body looks better, and when I have more body fat you woundn’t even know they weren’t real.
Now, all of us here train in the gym. We are working on changing our bodies to look the way we want. All of us, not just the women. So does that mean that you, Sifu, have issues because you want big muscles? I am sure you will have a nice long explanation of why this is wrong.
I like to try and see other’s point of view, and I can actually understand where some of you come from. Even though I disagree, I guess I am hoping that I can show you that not all women with implants are as miserable people as you seem to think. I am not upset, just trying to open your minds, I guess.
And if you really want to know, here’s a “before,” because I am NOT ashamed and I am happy to show you the difference!
Oh and FYI, if you get a good doctor they won’t look like tennis balls. [/quote]
Looking at your before picture I would say you needed to add some bodyfat. I hate to break it to you but being super lean look does not suit everybody.
If a doctor is good or not is the million dollar question. Over the years I have seen a lot of botched boob jobs. Even if he is really good there are factors that are completely beyond his control. That tennis ball look can be caused by scar tissue surrounding the implant and contracting around it, the doctor has no control over the bodies response to what is a foreign object.
There are some things with the human body that just don’t look right. ie I am 5’7" I would look silly roided up to 240. I have friends at the gym who are built like that. People make fun of them and say they are trying to compensate for being short or they have a Napolean complex. At my height anything above 165 just becomes a burden. It starts making me look shorter, it affects the way I move and physical activity. Then there is the chore of cramming enough food down my throat that my entire digestive system fills stuffed from top to bottom. So I don’t feel a need to get big or at least not any bigger than I am.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Defekt wrote:
I found it amusing how angry everyone got in this thread.
I would say it’s more defensive than angry. That is what happens when you get people to face up to their delusions.
…and when you insult them, such as saying they “looked wrecked”. Whether it’s an accurate description of that person or not, in this case definitely not, insulting people is likely going to rile them up.
Oh, and people who don’t like fake tits are elitists. Why should women with natural ones have all the fun? This is a democracy damnit! hahaha…[/quote]
Some of them do look wrecked. The sad thing about it is they put a lot of effort into looking wrecked while thinking they look great.
I’ve dated a couple of gymnasts, it isn’t like I can’t appreciate a girl who is buff. Those fitness competitions push an ideal that is totaly attractive.
Fake tits do not look like the real thing, so it is not being elitist to point that out. I am being honest.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Michele C wrote:
So about the inferiority complex… I just wanted to let you boys know that not all women who get implants feel like they are “less than” anyone else. When you train your ass off to get on stage, you can shape your shoulders, glutes, lats, abs, everything. The only thing you can’t change is your breasts. I wanted to feel good in my clothes, I like to be fit but not at the sacrifice of feeling like an 8 year old boy in my body.
I am not ashamed of how I was, I just wanted more freedom to shop for clothes and feel feminine.I actually agree that an off-season body looks better, and when I have more body fat you woundn’t even know they weren’t real.
Now, all of us here train in the gym. We are working on changing our bodies to look the way we want. All of us, not just the women. So does that mean that you, Sifu, have issues because you want big muscles? I am sure you will have a nice long explanation of why this is wrong.
I like to try and see other’s point of view, and I can actually understand where some of you come from. Even though I disagree, I guess I am hoping that I can show you that not all women with implants are as miserable people as you seem to think. I am not upset, just trying to open your minds, I guess.
And if you really want to know, here’s a “before,” because I am NOT ashamed and I am happy to show you the difference!
Oh and FYI, if you get a good doctor they won’t look like tennis balls.
Looking at your before picture I would say you needed to add some bodyfat. I hate to break it to you but being super lean look does not suit everybody.[/quote]
If you’re implying that Michele doesn’t look great in that picture because she has low bodyfat, then you’re out of your fucking mind. Stop trying to push your personal preferences about women as fact.
Anything over 165 is a burden for you? Man, it must suck to have to set the bar so low for yourself. Why are you trolling around on a bodybuilding forum when 165 is the limit of what you want to achieve?
Despite not being tall, it’s funny how as I’ve gotten bigger, people have commented that I look taller.
Maybe you should change your username to “STFU”. I think that sums it up well.
I find it funny how people are picky about real vs. implants. Are these people just so overwhelmed with the amount of boobs they are getting on a daily basis, that they’ve gotten to the point where are just fed up?
I’m happy with either kind of boob. Any kind of boob is better than the complete lack of boob I’m getting now.
i think the crossfit chicks are hot
[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
Good grief!
I just read through this thread and I’m actually more amazed that there are guys that are so AGAINST women with implants - for whatever reason.
For the women that posted; God bless you. I think you all look outstanding and I’m a big supporter of breast implants, figuratively and literally. I love 'em, they’re even better in pairs…
Personal preference is a funny thing isn’t it? I don’t take too kindly to those that feel the need to tell me how to run my life. These types of people are constantly looking to fix others when in reality, they should concentrate on themselves.
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I’m telling people how to run their life. I’m just trying to point out that not everyone thinks they look wonderful.
While there can be cases where things turn out good or are even an improvement there are also a lot of cases where it was pointless.
What is sad is when you see a girl really didn’t need implants who ended up having complictions. It is really sad to see a twenty year old who was hot and had a killer body have to have a mastectomy because of surgical complications. That is a hell of a price to pay trying to achieve an ideal look that isn’t even all that attractive.
I don’t get the point of this thread. OP, you weren’t asking about their training or if this was the new standard you decided to bash on appearance and Sifu jumped on the bandwagon of more insulting comments.
Then you justified your comments by trying to turn it into some mental disorder.
OP, you made a shallow thread with unkind comments and Sifu continued it. Nothing you said was constructive, you just wanted to bash these women, that was it, nothing more.
I have no idea what you thought you were doing. Maybe the Figure Athletes need a T-Cell so they don’t have to listen to jerks like you who don’t have half their dedication, success and consistency.
EDIT: and I don’t currently have implants, but if I wanted them, or a reduction, then I would have it done. It doesn’t mean I feel insecure, it would just mean I thought it was the right decision for me at that time.
Sifu has a big fuckin mouth, big inferiority complex and a small penis. Most of us don’t care about your judgmental perceptions of women with low bodyfat, fake boobs, etc.
I’m thinking that GymJenn and Michele C and girls like her wouldn’t give Sifu the time of day and deep down he knows that’s the truth and it really really bothers him. So what does he do? He starts a thread and starts denigrating them.
And then he thinks he’s real important on top of it cuz he thinks he’s hit a nerve about what’s really not attractive about a women as if its a truth for us all and we were just afraid to admit it. When in reality the only nerve he hit is that we all think he’s an utter tool that wants attention cuz he aint gettin none in real life so he starts throwin out virtual crap on the wall just to get a reaction out of people.
I’ll tell you what, GymJenn and Michele C are exactly the type of women most men that subscribe to the T-Nation philosophy would be most attracted to. I know I am
And by the way, a study has shown that women with fake breasts are indeed hornier than girls with real breasts. He he.
There should be an ‘ignore’ list or button on here where you just add people’s names to the lst and you don’t see their posts.
ladies, ya’ll are fantastic if your hitting the weights.
probably hitting the weights harder then some of these trolls here…
You win.
“end thread” ~ such a geek