[quote]ballbagbaggins wrote:
Whatever way you look at it its an impossible situation.
You throw first you run the risk of being blamed for starting it and may be in trouble with the cops when you didn’t really start it.
If you don’t throw first then you are at an immediate disadvantage even in a 1 on 1.
If its not 1 on 1 and you are outnumbered then you are again at a disadvantage and maybe only know of 1 or 2 of the people you are going to be fighting. If you are a good fighter and they hit you first and you manage to knock out one and grapple the other then it is not a pleasant surprise to find out 3 of his friends just noticed you attacking their group.
As mentioned before there may be weapons involved and other variables and while you may be willing to hit the guy a few times to get your point across, you may need to go a lot further to put an end to the fight.
When you think about it like this then theres really no point leaving a chance for conflict on a night out. There are groups of individuals out there who would gladly fight several big guys at once for a buzz at the weekend so better not to fall into their trap and be caught off-guard as much as you can help it. Even if you win, you can still be badly hurt and face prosecution.[/quote]
I feel you on that but from personal experience if your in a situation and not willing to swallow pride and walk away I would always throw the first punch and try to end it before it can start. Ive had one of my best friends, who is also one of the toughest guys I know, get smashed in the face with a 32oz and he ended up with broken bones and stiches. This was from a kid who the two were jawing back and forth, we all thought it ended, and he came out from the side of a crowd and my buddy ended up in the hospital…
either try to drop them before they can do something like that or walk away.
[quote]ballbagbaggins wrote:
Whatever way you look at it its an impossible situation.
You throw first you run the risk of being blamed for starting it and may be in trouble with the cops when you didn’t really start it.
If you don’t throw first then you are at an immediate disadvantage even in a 1 on 1.
If its not 1 on 1 and you are outnumbered then you are again at a disadvantage and maybe only know of 1 or 2 of the people you are going to be fighting. If you are a good fighter and they hit you first and you manage to knock out one and grapple the other then it is not a pleasant surprise to find out 3 of his friends just noticed you attacking their group.
As mentioned before there may be weapons involved and other variables and while you may be willing to hit the guy a few times to get your point across, you may need to go a lot further to put an end to the fight.
When you think about it like this then theres really no point leaving a chance for conflict on a night out. There are groups of individuals out there who would gladly fight several big guys at once for a buzz at the weekend so better not to fall into their trap and be caught off-guard as much as you can help it. Even if you win, you can still be badly hurt and face prosecution.[/quote]
Thats right.And sometimes you just have to fight.
In my country theres many fights in traffic with lots of drunker drivers speeding and people getting out of cars at red lights and fighting.
[quote]ballbagbaggins wrote:
Whatever way you look at it its an impossible situation.
You throw first you run the risk of being blamed for starting it and may be in trouble with the cops when you didn’t really start it.
If you don’t throw first then you are at an immediate disadvantage even in a 1 on 1.
If its not 1 on 1 and you are outnumbered then you are again at a disadvantage and maybe only know of 1 or 2 of the people you are going to be fighting. If you are a good fighter and they hit you first and you manage to knock out one and grapple the other then it is not a pleasant surprise to find out 3 of his friends just noticed you attacking their group.
As mentioned before there may be weapons involved and other variables and while you may be willing to hit the guy a few times to get your point across, you may need to go a lot further to put an end to the fight.
When you think about it like this then theres really no point leaving a chance for conflict on a night out. There are groups of individuals out there who would gladly fight several big guys at once for a buzz at the weekend so better not to fall into their trap and be caught off-guard as much as you can help it. Even if you win, you can still be badly hurt and face prosecution.[/quote]
Any punk looking for fight will size you up and then make eye contact and try to pick fear in your body language.If you display none and stay cool,he will probably label you as too tough to mess with and leave you alone.
Thanks for all replies everyone! First off yeah I’m a decently sized guy. When people first meet me they usually comment on my size. A lot of people think this automatically makes me formidable although I don’t see why.
I don’t have a violent bone in my body lol. That one incident left me in a tough spot because this guy was about to fight my friend. I wasn’t going to leave my buddy behind. The bouncer broke it up but than the guy rounded up some friends and we basically had a stare down for awhile from separate ends of the bar. Finally his friends came up to us and fortunately they were cool. They said they knew their friend was being an asshole and they weren’t looking for any trouble. That was fine by us lol.
And yeah in case anyone is wondering I haven’t hung out with that girl since. She’s trash.
[quote]Ghost16 wrote:
Thanks for all replies everyone! First off yeah I’m a decently sized guy. When people first meet me they usually comment on my size. A lot of people think this automatically makes me formidable although I don’t see why.
I don’t have a violent bone in my body lol. That one incident left me in a tough spot because this guy was about to fight my friend. I wasn’t going to leave my buddy behind. The bouncer broke it up but than the guy rounded up some friends and we basically had a stare down for awhile from separate ends of the bar. Finally his friends came up to us and fortunately they were cool. They said they knew their friend was being an asshole and they weren’t looking for any trouble. That was fine by us lol.
And yeah in case anyone is wondering I haven’t hung out with that girl since. She’s trash.[/quote]
Haven’t been in a street fight since i started training 4 years ago. But in regards to your question, you need to find a good gym/team to train at, in order to develop the skills, reflexes, and confidence. Without drilling and sparring you’ll pretty much revert to natural instinct no matter what. The best thing to do is to train in a live situation with skilled, knowledgeable training partners in order to achieve proper motor learning.
But I regress to my previous statement…just walk away no matter what. I’ve walked away from plenty of people I can smash and simply say “sorry bro, I do not wish to get my ass whooped.” If you are cornered and feel as if you are going to be attack then strike first, knee him in the balls and then RUN!
One thing that I tell my students like a broken record: “MOVE AND SCAN!”.
Keep moving and keep looking out for the next threat.
It’s not the guy that your deucing it out with that you should be worrying about, its his buddy thats going to glass you from behind or put you in a hold.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Yeah best advice ever is don’t go to bars or a hooker house. Stay away from degenerates and you wont have to deal with thier crap.[/quote]
Dont go to bars or hooker house??!! And do what? Jerk off to internet porn?? And live a long, boring ascetic life?? [/quote]
Balbos had the post here that’s ever been said in this forum.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Yeah best advice ever is don’t go to bars or a hooker house. Stay away from degenerates and you wont have to deal with thier crap.[/quote]
Dont go to bars or hooker house??!! And do what? Jerk off to internet porn?? And live a long, boring ascetic life?? [/quote]
Balbos had the post here that’s ever been said in this forum.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Yeah best advice ever is don’t go to bars or a hooker house. Stay away from degenerates and you wont have to deal with thier crap.[/quote]
Dont go to bars or hooker house??!! And do what? Jerk off to internet porn?? And live a long, boring ascetic life?? [/quote]
Balbos had the post here that’s ever been said in this forum.
Ever.
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That has got to be the stupidest video I have seen in a while. So the car load of white teens is using gypsy pop to offer to suck the gangsters for some drugs?
Any specific questions or interests can be asked here.
It is nearly always a question of who/what is the best teacher/school/class in YOUR area as opposed to a theoretical “best” or even an ideal for “what you want”.
Regards,
Robert A
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Robert, I saw the Krav Maga thread a couple of months ago, but the other two links seem unavailable on the board at this time.
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Yeah best advice ever is don’t go to bars or a hooker house. Stay away from degenerates and you wont have to deal with thier crap.[/quote]
Dont go to bars or hooker house??!! And do what? Jerk off to internet porn?? And live a long, boring ascetic life?? [/quote]
Balbos had the post here that’s ever been said in this forum.
Ever.
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That has got to be the stupidest video I have seen in a while. So the car load of white teens is using gypsy pop to offer to suck the gangsters for some drugs?[/quote]
No.Actually its the gangsters who are going to suck the white teens for some social security checks so that they can by some more of the fake bling :))
Any specific questions or interests can be asked here.
It is nearly always a question of who/what is the best teacher/school/class in YOUR area as opposed to a theoretical “best” or even an ideal for “what you want”.
Regards,
Robert A
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Robert, I saw the Krav Maga thread a couple of months ago, but the other two links seem unavailable on the board at this time.[/quote]
DeadKong,
Sorry about that. T-Nation changed something with the site and the old links do not work.
I used the same suggestions in this thread:
It is the “what style for self defense?” thread and is still near the top. This thread is a few months old.
Click the link above, or find the thread on the 1st page and they should work for you.
You can watch all the videos in the world and read all the books/articles you can find but the truth is unless you practice thousands of repetitions of a self defence maneuver (with a partner actually performing an attack) you won’t react effeciently in a real situation. Not only that, but in training you have to perform those techniques in drills which replicate high levels of stress and pressure that would be apparent in a real world confrontation.
Knowing what to do is one thing when you’re sitting at home at your computer watching some guy show you a technique via youtube, its another when you’re in a crowed bar, obstacles all around you, high levels of noise, adrenaline has sky rocketed, your heart is beating close to its max and someone is actually trying to hurt/kill you.
The best advice I can give you is to find a centre that teaches self defence and start training. I’m partial to Krav Maga being an instructor in it and having trained in several other systems, but even learning basic combatives from Muay Thai or Boxing would be greatly beneficial.
Reaction is always slower than action and limits your choices.The best type of self-defense is once you recognize the threat and cant avoid it,is to take the fight to the aggresor and push him into reacting himself to the attack and making mistakes in your area of expertise.
Bottom line,if you dont run away,better attack first with all your ferocity and power and dont stop until you eliminate the threat.Waiting to be attacked is the worst option= your options are limited ,you simply react in the moment and if you make mistake,you are technicaly dead.
In the moment,when you see the attack is imminent…your attacker is gathering psychological momentum to attack & is looking for the right moment,you must attack without hesitation.
