[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
How can you all forget Andrei Arlovski? lol.
Quite possibly the most skilled boxer in the entire UFC (or rather was)[/quote]
Very true we will see how he does in his upcoming boxing match!!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
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G Flux doesn’t seem like it’s a specific program, so you might be comparing apples and oranges.
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I wouldn’t trust that Sherdog actually has “fighters” on it. It’s more like an MMA Blowjob Barn, to steal my phrase from the politics forum.
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Go to the forums on Eastsideboxing.com and see how real fighters train. Odds are it isn’t anything like crossfit, and it sure as hell isn’t anything as complex as Berardi’s formulas. I hate to sound very old school, but even though I love weightlifting, it’s benefits for fighting, especially in striking sports, are vastly overrated.
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I’d like to see these superhuman motherfuckin amateurs that can work out with weights 5 days a week, hold a job, do roadwork, have a family, pay the rent, do skill training, and fight all at the same time. Most times we call them “pros”.
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Crossfit is for housewives.[/quote]
Crossfit would knock you on your housewife ass.
The point of G-Flux is that from a metabolic and physiological standpoint, the body responds better to a caloric balance that’s highest. Many well documented biochemical processes are upgraded from a metabolic turnover of calories expanded vs consumed. When high levels of moderate, low, and high intensity work are performed there are increases in : HGH, Testosterone, Catecholamines ( metabolism boosters), Thyroid hormones, lypolytic enzymes (fat burning enzymes), endorphins (feel good hormones). To maintain these high levels of output, the body needs to increase intake of key healthy foods and nutrients. If you wish to lose weight, just merely consume slightly fewer calories than you consume.
G-Flux and studies demonstrate that if subject A has a caloric deficit due to a 2,500 kcal output and 2,000kcal intake, and subject B has a intake of 4,000 kcal output and a 3,500 kcal intake, that subject B will have greater decreases in fat mass, and maintain more muscle mass, despite an equal 500kcal deficit. This is do as mentioned earlier to in increase in the bodies natural production of several key hormones and metabolic pathways.
Crossfit and G-FLux are not mutually exclusive. What crossfit seeks to do is perform the same total volume of work done in a compressed time span to maximize th work capacity. If you go to a typical gym you might see a person do 4-5 sets of squats, then 4-5 sets of pull ups, and 4-5 sets of bent over rows, and 4-5 sets over heard press and then abs. But in between each set they may get a drink, go to the restroom, wait for a buddy to finish his set, chit chat etc. What could likely be accomplished in 20-30 minutes is accomplished in 90 due to all the extra time waisted between sets. What crossfit often does is try to accomplish the same amount of work in the shortest time possible.
way to necro post.
Just find what works for you. Crossfit is a solid for conditioning but I would continue with your G-Flux plan. As for what to include in your workouts just find what works for you. Some boxers find they do better with a traditional program. While others like Evander Holyfield and Ricky Hatton do well with weight training and other more modern training methods. Try things out and see what works for you.
wow…crossfit vs whatever and mma vs boxing all in the same thread. 2010 started with a bang.
On the crossfit debate. I wouldnt know too much about either because I condition like a fighter. I do know from reading about crossfit and seeing pictures of people that use it, there is 1 thing I found common about it; it makes women hot and men small. If you are looking for fighter conditioning, look at rossboxing, youtube some Duke Rufus and modify it for your body if you dont have access to a stand-up coach.
If a bodyweight exercise feels like its a real pain in the ass, do that exercise a bunch because it will do the most for you ie…burpees. I hate them, but they put miles in your gas tank.
Despite the obvious disdain for MMA stand up compared to boxing, there is a universal truth that most forget. THEY ARE DIFFERENT SPORTS!!!
An mma fighter should have boxing skills. A boxer doesnt need kickboxing skills or ground skills. If you are interested in mma, get some boxing skills. If you are interested in boxing, dont piss on, or smear shit on mma and mma training because you feel your sport is superior. MMA fighters should have respect for boxers because boxing is part of mma.
Boxers shouldnt feel like they can destroy mma fighters because everyone has a punchers chance and most mma fighters, most good ones, would kick the head off a boxer the first time they bobbed from the waist. Boxers dont have to worry about the myriad of weapons available to an mma fighter, but an mma fighter already has skills with and defending against a boxers only 2 weapons.
Is one superior to the other? FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME…NO, they are different sports and you train each sport specifically.
/my thoughts on both subjects
A world class boxer would likely dominate a boxing match with an MMA fighter. An MMA fighter would likely dominate an MMA fight with a boxer. It’s like comparing elite level NFL vs Aussie rules football. Two similar but different sports.
The premise of this thread is complete crap.
G-flux only says that a higher caloric turnover is probably better for athletes, (at least from a body composition POV, Shugart’s main motivation).
Crossfit is a not very defined package of fitness lifestyle, essentially being all about three features: hard full body workouts, viewing the workout itself a quasi sport competition (with weird ideas like WOTD) & the zone diet as the ultimate in nutrition.
Also, Fighting Irish’s continuation of bashing MMA Fighters’ hands is slowly eating his credibility away.
Note: you can’t a lot of boxing techniques in an MMA fight. The setups, counters, the timing, your tactical aims are vastly different.
What looks good in boxing or is effective can be utter garbage in MMA. And vice versa.
caloric restriction while training MMA is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Anyone suggesting this is either a heavy trying to lose weight to make a weight class or has never trained a day in their lives.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
The premise of this thread is complete crap.
G-flux only says that a higher caloric turnover is probably better for athletes, (at least from a body composition POV, Shugart’s main motivation).
Crossfit is a not very defined package of fitness lifestyle, essentially being all about three features: hard full body workouts, viewing the workout itself a quasi sport competition (with weird ideas like WOTD) & the zone diet as the ultimate in nutrition.
Also, Fighting Irish’s continuation of bashing MMA Fighters’ hands is slowly eating his credibility away.
Note: you can’t a lot of boxing techniques in an MMA fight. The setups, counters, the timing, your tactical aims are vastly different.
What looks good in boxing or is effective can be utter garbage in MMA. And vice versa.
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Shwarz,
Only some of the crossfitters do the zone, many do paleo diets, others do intermittent fasting. Crossfit can be quasi cult like, but so can other forms of training. The good thing about CF is it makes thing competitive, and focuses on full body functional strength.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
G’day guys, I’d like to bring up and expand a topic that originally was asked about on Sherdog (IIRC).
The topic in question was which is better for fighters(I believe they were talking about amateurs, obviously Pro’s live and breath it almost full time): Berardi’s G-flux theory (and combined workload of sport training - i.e boxing/etc, and weights) or the Crossfit approach (and crossfit workloads: obviously crossfit training periodized with rest days, tweaked for fighting) of caloric restriction.
Obviously given that you want top performance, G-flux would seem the obvious choice. However strangely, most of the folks at Sherdog seem to think the Crossfit/Caloric Restriction method is more suitable (This is probably due to members being overweight - but that’s mere speculation on my part), in the (paraphrased) word’s of one poster: “Due the broad success many different groups have had with it, from police, athletes etc to Special forces…”.
Which may just be ignorance on their part, since guys in combat roles in the military, especially infantry and special forces, tend to consume in excess of 5000 calories just from rations alone (if I remember the numbers correctly…) which certainly doesn’t mesh with the theory of Caloric Restriction…
Getting to the point, I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on the matter, and how either or could be implemented into amateur fight preparations. I ask because I’m at a rare position in my life where I have the time to able to put Berardi’s G-flux theory into practice and have given thought to competing before I join the Army later this year.[/quote]
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Fucking hell. Necro posting much? This was posted before I was competeing in boxing and was alot less knowledgable about training.
Was gonna type up a big rant regarding some of the posts that have been made since, but fuck it. I’d rather see some new content on these boards.