Thank you, Bill.
I understand the procedure now and when I find a way to test it I will post the results.
Enjoy your workout!
Thanks: it was good.
Actually it would be better if you posted shortly before sending out, as it would be preferable for the same solvent to be used as in the reference spectrum that I would be able to find (by odd coincidence, I passed right by that shelf in the library yesterday, and considered looking it up, but was in a rush on something else and didn’t. Should have.)
It might be either CDCl3 or DMSO-d6: there’s really no way for me to figure which without checking, as either would be completely suitable.
And as a bit of a correction or more complete statement with regard to the suggested search for Stronghold: I don’t think the data mentioned appears in any of the abstracts (the brief summaries that will be provided in this search.) However it can be found in the full text of some articles, with the abstracts giving good leads as to which articles to look at. Some of the articles with the desired information are not available online, or at least I read them in the printed journals, but I’m sure at least one of them can be read online.
Though it’s conceivable that the one I had in mind was found in a different way when looking for something else. But I would expect its abstract would turn up on that search, with a “Full free text” link.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Actually it would be better if you posted shortly before sending out, as it would be preferable for the same solvent to be used as in the reference spectrum that I would be able to find (by odd coincidence, I passed right by that shelf in the library yesterday, and considered looking it up, but was in a rush on something else and didn’t. Should have.)
It might be either CDCl3 or DMSO-d6: there’s really no way for me to figure which without checking, as either would be completely suitable.
[/quote]
Ok, I am drowning in your pool of knowledge again, : )
I am going to buy the pure acetone tomorrow and this weekend I am in Nottingham for the British Bodybuilding show. I am sure someone will be able to school me a bit more on this as I fail to comprehend what exactly I am supposed to post before I send for tests.
I still have to find a place to send it to also - so as soon as I get all my act together I will fill you in with all the details.
This is fun - I want to test my HGH as well, ha!
Thanks Bill,
Keep training!
All I need to know is that you’re going to do it beforehand, as I will need to make a trip (since I missed the opportunity to check it at no effort yesterday) to see what solvent you should ask to be used.
Do keep in mind that the fee will be in the hundreds of Euros or pounds Sterling. I don’t know how many.
Also, while back when I was in graduate school it would not have been the case that having a spectrum done would result in being informed of the compound or the person running the analysis knowing what it is, for all I know these days it may be trivial and routinely done for common compounds to already be in the computer and any match would be routinely spat out. So it could be that even when not asking for identification, the place would know they had been sent oxandrolone, if (and I have no idea if this may be the case) there is such software in place.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
All I need to know is that you’re going to do it beforehand, as I will need to make a trip (since I missed the opportunity to check it at no effort yesterday) to see what solvent you should ask to be used. [/quote]
Ah, I see. Don’t inconvenience yourself. I need to get some more ‘know how’ on what it entails and will report back. I am in no rush. I am just curious and I won’t be using it for a cycle in the near future. The GH and the organ meat is yielding excellent, excellent results! When I ran the Oxandrolone I did as an experiment whilst untrained and with a poor diet. Now I want to see what I can achieve with proper diet and heavy training. Though I must add the effortless muscle hardness I gained on this substance without training and in such a short period of time was quite incredible to witness! I can see why it is used for patients who are wasting away - 10kg of weight in two weeks as well!
Once I am where I was before I stopped training and lost weight and muscle, I might do a proper cycle and it may be testosterone and not Oxandrolone - my liver also went to hell after this short cycle. I need to be 100% in my glory to experiment with these substances again, I am covering all bases now that I know what they are.
But to be honest I don’t think I need it.
The muscle hardness was awesome though. And I suspect I retained some of that.
So it is no longer need but want, oh where is my greed control…[quote]
Do keep in mind that the fee will be in the hundreds of Euros or pounds Sterling. I don’t know how many.[/quote]
Yes, I did check that. [quote]
Also, while back when I was in graduate school it would not have been the case that having a spectrum done would result in being informed of the compound or the person running the analysis knowing what it is, for all I know these days it may be trivial and routinely done for common compounds to already be in the computer and any match would be routinely spat out. So it could be that even when not asking for identification, the place would know they had been sent oxandrolone, if (and I have no idea if this may be the case) there is such software in place.[/quote]
My current understanding is that I am legally allowed to posses for personal use.
But thank you for reminding me nonetheless. I will look into what further implications that may bring since I don’t trust Government and data bases - don’t want blind justice chasing my Anavar tale.
: )
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
My current understanding is that I am legally allowed to posses for personal use.
But thank you for reminding me nonetheless. I will look into what further implications that may bring since I don’t trust Government and data bases - don’t want blind justice chasing my Anavar tale.
: )
[/quote]
Interesting that you can possess but cant purchase. Its also to important to remember that what you consider “personal use” may very well be what the government considers “Intent to distribute”.
And really their definition is all that matters in that case.
Either way I wish we had similar understanding in the law across the waters, would certainly alleviate some headaches.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Couple of things…
wow
Where have you been?
: D
[/quote]
To answer you’re question, I’ve been around a long time. I remember when you joined. I don’t post much anymore. Don’t see the sense in it.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
My current understanding is that I am legally allowed to posses for personal use.
But thank you for reminding me nonetheless. I will look into what further implications that may bring since I don’t trust Government and data bases - don’t want blind justice chasing my Anavar tale.
: )
Interesting that you can possess but cant purchase. Its also to important to remember that what you consider “personal use” may very well be what the government considers “Intent to distribute”.
And really their definition is all that matters in that case.
Either way I wish we had similar understanding in the law across the waters, would certainly alleviate some headaches.[/quote]
Wanna get confused?
I can possess and purchase. But I cannot purchase injectible drugs (without a prescription), nor can I purchase needles of any kind. But it’s not illegal to purchase injectible drugs or needles, they just won’t make it through customs (if stopped) and I’ll be told why via phone call or letter, and not in a threatening manner, either. However, if the same exact drug comes in a container which is not meant for injection, then in that case it’s perfectly okay. Powders are fine and I can purchase kilos and kilos of whatever I want. Empty vials are also okay, just so they’re not filled with oil!
There’s a puzzle in all of this that I have solved the majority of, but the needles are still the confounding factor 
[quote]Gaea wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Couple of things…
wow
Where have you been?
: D
To answer you’re question, I’ve been around a long time. I remember when you joined. I don’t post much anymore. Don’t see the sense in it.
[/quote]
I don’t get it. Alpha obviously sees and recognizes something I don’t. Have you changed your name just enough that she knew who you were? What happened to your other account? I’m genuinely curious and not insinuating that you are lying, just so you know.
[quote]Gaea wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Couple of things…
wow
Where have you been?
: D
To answer you’re question, I’ve been around a long time. I remember when you joined. I don’t post much anymore. Don’t see the sense in it.
[/quote]
GOJIRA!
I KNEW it was you!
( I almost suggested it pages ago but didn’t want to put you on the spot )
I MISS YOU, COME BACK!
You were the female who got me to join in the first place!
You inspired me to train. We are the same height but I am at 72kg so I am bigger than you, ha!
You created this monster, lol!
: D
P.S. Yes, I stopped posting as well for two years so I know how you feel. I hope you at least make guest appearances, such as these!
Holy shit, really!?!?!?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
My current understanding is that I am legally allowed to posses for personal use.
But thank you for reminding me nonetheless. I will look into what further implications that may bring since I don’t trust Government and data bases - don’t want blind justice chasing my Anavar tale.
: )
Interesting that you can possess but cant purchase. Its also to important to remember that what you consider “personal use” may very well be what the government considers “Intent to distribute”.
And really their definition is all that matters in that case.
Either way I wish we had similar understanding in the law across the waters, would certainly alleviate some headaches.
Wanna get confused?
I can possess and purchase. But I cannot purchase injectible drugs (without a prescription), nor can I purchase needles of any kind. But it’s not illegal to purchase injectible drugs or needles, they just won’t make it through customs (if stopped) and I’ll be told why via phone call or letter, and not in a threatening manner, either. However, if the same exact drug comes in a container which is not meant for injection, then in that case it’s perfectly okay. Powders are fine and I can purchase kilos and kilos of whatever I want. Empty vials are also okay, just so they’re not filled with oil!
There’s a puzzle in all of this that I have solved the majority of, but the needles are still the confounding factor ;)[/quote]
lol I can get needles, a teenager can go down to any local pharmacy/wallmart/CVS/Corner Store.
And buy any needle you want, 30 gauge insulin pins ? sure.
25 gauge 1.5 inch 3ml’s ? Sure.
But I cant even buy bateriostatic water, or B12, it requires a perscription.
Thank god our laws stop those junkies from getting high on B12.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Holy shit, really!?!?!?[/quote]
x2
uhhh…Hi, please post more.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Cortes wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
My current understanding is that I am legally allowed to posses for personal use.
But thank you for reminding me nonetheless. I will look into what further implications that may bring since I don’t trust Government and data bases - don’t want blind justice chasing my Anavar tale.
: )
Interesting that you can possess but cant purchase. Its also to important to remember that what you consider “personal use” may very well be what the government considers “Intent to distribute”.
And really their definition is all that matters in that case.
Either way I wish we had similar understanding in the law across the waters, would certainly alleviate some headaches.
Wanna get confused?
I can possess and purchase. But I cannot purchase injectible drugs (without a prescription), nor can I purchase needles of any kind. But it’s not illegal to purchase injectible drugs or needles, they just won’t make it through customs (if stopped) and I’ll be told why via phone call or letter, and not in a threatening manner, either. However, if the same exact drug comes in a container which is not meant for injection, then in that case it’s perfectly okay. Powders are fine and I can purchase kilos and kilos of whatever I want. Empty vials are also okay, just so they’re not filled with oil!
There’s a puzzle in all of this that I have solved the majority of, but the needles are still the confounding factor
lol I can get needles, a teenager can go down to any local pharmacy/wallmart/CVS/Corner Store.
And buy any needle you want, 30 gauge insulin pins ? sure.
25 gauge 1.5 inch 3ml’s ? Sure.
But I cant even buy bateriostatic water, or B12, it requires a perscription.
Thank god our laws stop those junkies from getting high on B12.
[/quote]
That is because injections of B12 give instant relief. It is also effective, at least for some females on fat loss ( I heard this from a female BB ).
I have been thinking about what you first said about the law in Britain and having the same understanding in the US.
Consider 2 points:
- Wasn’t the Mafia first responsible for trafficking drugs into the US and didn’t this gangster culture benefit hugely financially?
- America is a sporty country and goal oriented in the pursuit of excellence. That makes a nation which is more driven to succeed in sports.
Britain:
- British government doesn’t really suffer financial loss from gangster culture - they are the greatest Mafiosos and legalized dealers.
- Britain is a pub country where drink and vomit is the sport number one of the population. Top that with a nation of resignation : where being indignant is not “proper”.
Taking steroids to go to the pub is a contradiction in terms - to be a steroid user, our nation here would have to quit drinking and the greatest source of fun for the nation: getting wasted ( THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what steroids set out to accomplish ). Taking steroids to feel ‘bothered’ in any way means stepping out of British Victorian mentality. It just wouldn’t be proper to have more T in your tea.
In a country where the culture keeps you bland by default, steroids is not really a cause for concern for the authorities.
That is why I can possess steroids here but not profit from it ( Of course, why would I? When you do profit you get raped financially when caught. Which is just Top Mafia behavior, isn’t it? ).
You may never get this kind of understanding in the law in America due to it’s drug and gangster history and the fact America kicks ass in sports, meaning more people would be at risk for wanting to be high achievers and increase the nations image through victory.
In other words, in Britain the drug of choice is tranquilizers, to keep the British insulated and within their boundaries/relax and behave like abandoned children ( adding muscle IS an expansion of one’s body/growth, maturity - think about all the symbolism in this ).
In the US steroids would be a drug of choice as it fits the purpose of the nations image: to enlarge and engorge symbolizing ambition, being the best.
Now, I am still wondering about the Japanese and their cultural traits and beliefs and that needle restriction.
Maybe they want to keep their society ‘Zen’ from the evil syringes. It is a symbol of junkies and cutting corners which is against the image of hard working and clean living Japanese society and philosophy. Maybe in some way, letting the needles in is inviting change to the image of their society.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Now, I am still wondering about the Japanese and their cultural traits and beliefs and that needle restriction.
Maybe they want to keep their society ‘Zen’ from the evil syringes. It is a symbol of junkies and cutting corners which is against the image of hard working and clean living Japanese society and philosophy. Maybe in some way, letting the needles in is inviting change to the image of their society.
[/quote]
Supposedly it is to keep junkies from acquiring them and using them for drug use. This includes 18g needles
I suppose that keeping drug use down is more important than disease control here, or it just doesn’t occur to anyone, or something. I really don’t know. What I do know is that it is frickin difficult to get needles in, and customs has become really strict in the past year. Pretty annoying.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Cortes wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
My current understanding is that I am legally allowed to posses for personal use.
But thank you for reminding me nonetheless. I will look into what further implications that may bring since I don’t trust Government and data bases - don’t want blind justice chasing my Anavar tale.
: )
Interesting that you can possess but cant purchase. Its also to important to remember that what you consider “personal use” may very well be what the government considers “Intent to distribute”.
And really their definition is all that matters in that case.
Either way I wish we had similar understanding in the law across the waters, would certainlyalleviate some headaches.
Wanna get confused?
I can possess and purchase. But I cannot purchase injectible drugs (without a prescription), nor can I purchase needles of any kind. But it’s not illegal to purchase injectible drugs or needles, they just won’t make it through customs (if stopped) and I’ll be told why via phone call or letter, and not in a threatening manner, either. However, if the same exact drug comes in a container which is not meant for injection, then in that case it’s perfectly okay. Powders are fine and I can purchase kilos and kilos of whatever I want. Empty vials are also okay, just so they’re not filled with oil!
There’s a puzzle in all of this that I have solved the majority of, but the needles are still the confounding factor
lol I can get needles, a teenager can go down to any local pharmacy/wallmart/CVS/Corner Store.
And buy any needle you want, 30 gauge insulin pins ? sure.
25 gauge 1.5 inch 3ml’s ? Sure.
But I cant even buy bateriostatic water, or B12, it requires a perscription.
Thank god our laws stop those junkies from getting high on B12.
That is because injections of B12 give instant relief. It is also effective, at least for some females on fat loss ( I heard this from a female BB ).
I have been thinking about what you first said about the law in Britain and having the same understanding in the US.
Consider 2 points:
- Wasn’t the Mafia first responsible for trafficking drugs into the US and didn’t this gangster culture benefit hugely financially?
- America is a sporty country and goal oriented in the pursuit of excellence. That makes a nation which is more driven to succeed in sports.
Britain:
- British government doesn’t really suffer financial loss from gangster culture - they are the greatest Mafiosos and legalized dealers.
- Britain is a pub country where drink and vomit is the sport number one of the population. Top that with a nation of resignation : where being indignant is not “proper”.
Taking steroids to go to the pub is a contradiction in terms - to be a steroid user, our nation here would have to quit drinking and the greatest source of fun for the nation: getting wasted ( THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what steroids set out to accomplish ). Taking steroids to feel ‘bothered’ in any way means stepping out of British Victorian mentality. It just wouldn’t be proper to have more T in your tea.
In a country where the culture keeps you bland by default, steroids is not really a cause for concern for the authorities.
That is why I can possess steroids here but not profit from it ( Of course, why would I? When you do profit you get raped financially when caught. Which is just Top Mafia behavior, isn’t it? ).
You may never get this kind of understanding in the law in America due to it’s drug and gangster history and the fact America kicks ass in sports, meaning more people would be at risk for wanting to be high achievers and increase the nations image through victory.
In other words, in Britain the drug of choice is tranquilizers, to keep the British insulated and within their boundaries/relax and behave like abandoned children ( adding muscle IS an expansion of one’s body/growth, maturity - think about all the symbolism in this ).
In the US steroids would be a drug of choice as it fits the purpose of the nations image: to enlarge and engorge symbolizing ambition, being the best.
Now, I am still wondering about the Japanese and their cultural traits and beliefs and that needle restriction.
Maybe they want to keep their society ‘Zen’ from the evil syringes. It is a symbol of junkies and cutting corners which is against the image of hard working and clean living Japanese society and philosophy. Maybe in some way, letting the needles in is inviting change to the image of their society.
[/quote]
Interesting thoughts.
Cultural stigma dictates drug controls…
I could certainly see even MORE massive steroid usage in the United States if it were ever even available in a legal gray area.
I dont know how it is over there but certainly here its to the point where MOST guys who lift or ever played any sport in highschool have tried something at least once.
Prohormones, Dbol, test, winny, and full on cycles.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Cultural stigma dictates drug controls…
I could certainly see even MORE massive steroid usage in the United States if it were ever even available in a legal gray area.
I dont know how it is over there but certainly here its to the point where MOST guys who lift or ever played any sport in highschool have tried something at least once.
Prohormones, Dbol, test, winny, and full on cycles.
[/quote]
You have no idea how prejudiced they are over here.
No
Idea.
Steroids are evil. And just “not proper”. Recreational drugs and alcohol are actually ‘cool’ if you are a user. I am sick and tired of going out, and have in fact stopped partying because I just not impressed with people making trips to the toilet to “powder up”. That and GHB/GBL, which can make them look just down right retarded - but that is a O K in GREAT Britain, because they are then relaxed, out of their Victorian repress and filled with self confidence to act like a twat.
But God Forbid we actually looked HOT and acted out of self confidence and with strength of character.
Most guys at my gym are smaller than me. Most guys at most gyms are there so long as it doesn’t interfere with the Thursday to Sunday am drink and vomit, lets get wasted contest.
They think it’s funny. Big muscular people they think it’s repulsive.
The only gym users that do steroids here are the gay men - they do everything! Including GHB, but not so much for BB purposes but to give and sustain intense libido.
I mention that because that is also in the associative power of the British mind. It is not that they don’t have sex, it is just that the idea of an overpowering and intense experience is anathema to them. It symbolizes damnation and destruction.
It’s for gay people.
rolls eyes
I am sorry if my post sounds a bit loaded but I feel very passionate about people and seeing the English in a such a repressed and degenerative, and therefore vegetative state gets to me.
I don’t need drugs to party and I will use steroids and PED’s to enhance my body and improve my athletic performance and quality of life. But here, using drugs except to let oneself go and acquire confidence ( which I possess naturally ) is looked down upon. I understand one needing to take drugs to party but don’t look down on athletes using drugs for enhancement.
It is akin to a resentment because it is not part of their culture to be fit.
This is merely my experience here and therefore personal opinion.
It could be an interesting psychological question – regarding past accomplishments, anyway: not so much the present – whether such repression of the English drove them to greater achievement in various other areas than would be the case had such repression not resulted in, perhaps, a re-channeling of drives.
small hijack…another vote for Gojira to return…end hijack
[quote]morepain wrote:
small hijack…another vote for Gojira to return…end hijack[/quote]
It is not a hijack. We are just keeping the thread alive until she emerges again.
; )