Not to open a can of worms, but how is natural defined? Does it mean natural for a certain amount of time or for life? The reason it up is because a guy that I went to school with used all through college. Now he doesn’t, and calls himself natural. Is he?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Ade Rai. I read this guy said he’d bet anyone $100k that he was natural and would take a drug test to prove it if someone would take the bet.[/quote]
This dude is clearly the biggest guy posted on here so far and not one person has questioned his nattyness…
I’ll be the first! If someone has 100k to bet that guy… easy money.
[quote]younggully wrote:
Not to open a can of worms, but how is natural defined? Does it mean natural for a certain amount of time or for life? The reason it up is because a guy that I went to school with used all through college. Now he doesn’t, and calls himself natural. Is he?[/quote]
Ahhhhhh, to define “natural”. Sorry, but lots of these guys to GH, test, clen, deca during offseason then clen, t4, GH during prep. Some don’t consider so-called legal PH’s to be natural, even things like superdol and epistane, which is pretty close to the real deal.
Just an observation, but other than shitloads of muscle while lean, the 2 things that stick out to me as tell-tale signs of geared physique are (a) the delts, and (b) difference between flexed and relaxed poses. TRUE natties have a real hard time with delts and that is one of teh groups that seems to benefit even more from gear. Also, the flexed vs. relaxed thing- a guy can look great flexed, but seem to shrink a lot more when relaxed than a geared physique.
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Ade Rai. I read this guy said he’d bet anyone $100k that he was natural and would take a drug test to prove it if someone would take the bet.
This dude is clearly the biggest guy posted on here so far and not one person has questioned his nattyness…
I’ll be the first! If someone has 100k to bet that guy… easy money.[/quote]
If you’ve got the money to front, go for it. Don’t you think some of the bigger players in bodybuilding (who do have the money) would have taken him up on this bet if they were so sure?
[quote]Game Time wrote:
http://jrod123.blogspot.com/2009/07/10-weeks-out.html
Here is a few pics of Jeff Rodriguez at 10 weeks out. Look at his delts in the back double bi![/quote]
his delts are amazing.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
trav123456 wrote:
Since no one put this old mofo up yet
Dave Goodin
You know, my first reaction is no way that guy is natural, not a chance.
However, he’s probably like 175-180 lbs, looks much bigger though[/quote]
Apparently, since he started competing years ago, Dave Goodin has tried to add like a pound of true lean muscle a year. I don’t remember exactly. But this adds up to a pretty huge dude over 30 years of competing. He has so much patience!
Michael O’hearn
the guy is an absolute monster 35 pull-ups 30 seconds. great powerlifter too, (505 bench) does judo, usually around 250-270 and natural. Genetic freak but he’s siiiick
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
Michael O’hearn
the guy is an absolute monster 35 pull-ups 30 seconds. great powerlifter too, (505 bench) does judo, usually around 250-270 and natural. Genetic freak but he’s siiiick[/quote]
one o my brothers business associates is old friends with o’hearn. says he abandoned his natural status years ago as he was no loger competing and needed an edge. I always liked the guy though… powerlifter, bodybuilder, judo champ… obviously genetically gifted.
S
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
StephenD wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
And, since no one has posted a pic of Lockett yet…
Lol I don’t belive for a second that he is natural ha ha
Well, he’s passed 4 drug tests and 3 polygraphs in which he claimed to be a lifetime natural.
The guy walked into the gym for the first time at 5’9" around 195 lbs and shredded. I’m pretty sure that he also didn’t even train his first BB’ing show (which he won). In the first two years that he started training/competing he gained 50 lbs of solid muscle. The guy is just a freak among freaks.
Is there proof he’s passed, or even took these tests or is that just what he says? He also claims to eat maybe twice a day and eat licorice and drink soda. There’s alot of bullshitters out there. Max Charles made outrageous claims [I even got bashed on this site for calling bullshit], got called out, said he’d produce evidence then never came through. I can tell ya’ll I graduated from Harvard with an degree in advanced chemistry, but that doesn’t make it so.
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Yes, there’s proof. He’s won the 2005 NPC National championship (which is a drug tested event), the 2006 Team Universe (which is a drug tested event), the 2006 NPC Natural Ohio (open), and the 2007 NPC Junior Nationals (which I believe is drug tested, but if not that’s still 3 drug tests that he’s passed).
As for his eating habits, I heard those claims as well. They were probably slightly exaggerated, but that was also before he started training (which is another reason why I believe he might have a myostatin mutation), since 2005 he’s been training and eating right (hence the 50+ lbs of muscle he’s gained since then).
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Blackaggar wrote:
Michael O’hearn
the guy is an absolute monster 35 pull-ups 30 seconds. great powerlifter too, (505 bench) does judo, usually around 250-270 and natural. Genetic freak but he’s siiiick
one o my brothers business associates is old friends with o’hearn. says he abandoned his natural status years ago as he was no loger competing and needed an edge. I always liked the guy though… powerlifter, bodybuilder, judo champ… obviously genetically gifted.
S[/quote]
I didn’t know this… I’m crushed to say the least.
[quote]trextacy wrote:
younggully wrote:
Not to open a can of worms, but how is natural defined? Does it mean natural for a certain amount of time or for life? The reason it up is because a guy that I went to school with used all through college. Now he doesn’t, and calls himself natural. Is he?
Ahhhhhh, to define “natural”. Sorry, but lots of these guys to GH, test, clen, deca during offseason then clen, t4, GH during prep. Some don’t consider so-called legal PH’s to be natural, even things like superdol and epistane, which is pretty close to the real deal.
Just an observation, but other than shitloads of muscle while lean, the 2 things that stick out to me as tell-tale signs of geared physique are (a) the delts, and (b) difference between flexed and relaxed poses. TRUE natties have a real hard time with delts and that is one of teh groups that seems to benefit even more from gear. Also, the flexed vs. relaxed thing- a guy can look great flexed, but seem to shrink a lot more when relaxed than a geared physique.[/quote]
well said
[quote]HBergeron wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
trav123456 wrote:
Since no one put this old mofo up yet
Dave Goodin
You know, my first reaction is no way that guy is natural, not a chance.
However, he’s probably like 175-180 lbs, looks much bigger though
Apparently, since he started competing years ago, Dave Goodin has tried to add like a pound of true lean muscle a year. I don’t remember exactly. But this adds up to a pretty huge dude over 30 years of competing. He has so much patience![/quote]
He said on a video I watched on Youtube that he’d only gained 20lbs in his entire career. He must have had a pretty good base and obviously very good genetics!
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I can tell ya’ll I graduated from Harvard with an degree in advanced chemistry, but that doesn’t make it so.
[/quote]
Especially since Harvard does not confer a degree in advanced chemistry…
whippet with myostatin mutation:
Bull with myostatin mutation:
Kevin Levrone with myostatin mutation lol
RX muscle guys read the results of his drug test today. Natural!
Man, I am depressed looking at how many 40+ year old guys can make so much more progress than I can:(
Denis Pedneault
He is like , 135 lbs in a competition ! His physique is incredible .
[quote]younggully wrote:
Not to open a can of worms, but how is natural defined? Does it mean natural for a certain amount of time or for life? The reason it up is because a guy that I went to school with used all through college. Now he doesn’t, and calls himself natural. Is he?[/quote]
That is where it would be nice if webster would just answer that question. It seems unfair to call someone a natural who built up a base on juice, but if you look at it this way if you ate meat all your life and over the past 5 years you became a vegetarian would you not then consider yourself a vegetarian?