Thanks Joe,
yes my legs have benefitted from the 20 reps in terms of size, but I have been eating more so it could well be fat!
I know I can wind people up, in fact I have been known to do it deliberately from time to time, but some of these people, wow.
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
Back Squat
warmup
60x5
70x5
80x5
90x5
this has taught me that a month or more of 20 rep squats does nothing for my 5 rep squats.
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What’s the plan on back squats? I usually warm up to my heavy work set and then try to bang out sets of 5 at that weight. Just asking because I used to do too much volume in my warm ups and get too close to my work weight. Lifting is looking good over here.
[quote]Scotto wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
Back Squat
warmup
60x5
70x5
80x5
90x5
this has taught me that a month or more of 20 rep squats does nothing for my 5 rep squats.
[/quote]
What’s the plan on back squats? I usually warm up to my heavy work set and then try to bang out sets of 5 at that weight. Just asking because I used to do too much volume in my warm ups and get too close to my work weight. Lifting is looking good over here.
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My thinking oh squats is just a simplistic one. I do front or back squats using either low medium of high reps, for up to 5 or so sets, until I get fed up. At that point I change.
The aim is to get the squats of any kind up to the levels of my clean and press. Which isnt too high, maybe a single for 130 to 140.
My warmup is squats with no weight for a few sets of 5.
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
tough one today, I guess I was tired from arguing with the other forum people. You lot were right, there are a lot of brotards etc there. “look at me I am stronger than you, therefore I am right”
anyway…back to the relative sanity of the weights
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I learnt the same way as you not to bother commenting on the other forums. You will never win an arguement over there. They will just wear you down with their persistence. I wonder how they fit in all the lifting they claim to do because they always seem to be sat at their computers!!
Just stick to the over35’s a much better class of individual.
That’s an extremely impressive hang clean you have. How come your squat is lower in comparison?
Not hating BTW, just noticed the discrepancy.
I read through your insanity thread, couldn’t help myself.
In general, I understand and agree with your motivation in “defending” whoever that Bunny character is. However, in this specific instance, you picked someone who, in that particular context, is indefensible. The guy is basically posting false stats, and giving advice with potentially adverse health consequences (imo). Sort of like you can defend someone’s right to burn the flag, but not his right to yell “fire” in a crowded theater.
Unfortunately, differentiating between discussing vs. arguing or bashing, is becoming a lost skill. Good luck in your future forays into the wild blue yonder. 
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
[quote]bluebrasil wrote:
tough one today, I guess I was tired from arguing with the other forum people. You lot were right, there are a lot of brotards etc there. “look at me I am stronger than you, therefore I am right”
anyway…back to the relative sanity of the weights
[/quote]
I learnt the same way as you not to bother commenting on the other forums. You will never win an arguement over there. They will just wear you down with their persistence. I wonder how they fit in all the lifting they claim to do because they always seem to be sat at their computers!!
Just stick to the over35’s a much better class of individual.
That’s an extremely impressive hang clean you have. How come your squat is lower in comparison?
Not hating BTW, just noticed the discrepancy.
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thanks FarmerB, the co-ordination based activities have always come naturally. Throwing, catching, racket sports, that sort of thing. And I guess that cleans fall into the same category. I dont think one needs to be strong to do a good clean, just be able to put what strength one has in various muscles in the same direction at the same time.
Strength is my weakness, no joke intended. Ive got legs longer than Mr Long, the longtime long leg champion of Longbridge. (I’m a child of the Blackadder generation) And in my opinion, it is an absolute truth that long levers make lifting weights significantly more difficult than short levers. Unfortunately. C’est la vie.
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
I read through your insanity thread, couldn’t help myself.
In general, I understand and agree with your motivation in “defending” whoever that Bunny character is. However, in this specific instance, you picked someone who, in that particular context, is indefensible. The guy is basically posting false stats, and giving advice with potentially adverse health consequences (imo). Sort of like you can defend someone’s right to burn the flag, but not his right to yell “fire” in a crowded theater.
Unfortunately, differentiating between discussing vs. arguing or bashing, is becoming a lost skill. Good luck in your future forays into the wild blue yonder. :)[/quote]
yeah, youre right I know, but I just dont like bullys.
a wee change, went to the gym two days in a row and did something different when I got there. Nothing too fancy mind, none of this stuff which involves lying down or anything.
Hang Power Snatch/Overhead Squat
bar x 3/3
30kgx3/3
40x3/3
45x 3/3
all overhead squats nicely below parallel
Hang Power Snatch
50x3
52.5x3
55x3
Push Press, bar taken from a rack
60kgx3
70x3
75x3
80x3
Dead Lift
60kgx3
100x3
120x3
130x3
traps are sore already, mostly from the snatches.
a few complexes, just for the hell of it.
Stiff deadlift x 5 reps, hang power clean x 5, push press x 5, front squat x 5.
All done without letting go of the bar or putting it down.
First round using 60kg. I did all the reps but realised I wouldnt be able to do another full round
50kg likewise
40kg
40kg
40kg
A total of 5 sets, 20 reps per set and using between 40 and 60kg.
Tough going but in and out the gym in 30 mins. Breathing was a bit laboured too.
Hang Power Clean
60kgx3
70x3
80x3
90x1
92.5x1
Military Press
bar x 10
40kgx5
50x5
60x4
Back Squat
warmup
60x5
70x5
80x5
90x5
92.5x1
dont have the urge to do 20 reps for a while, I’ll just try to increase the 5 rep weight and volume instead for a while
Power Clean, from the floor, not from the hang
60kgx3
70x3
80x3,3,3
Military Press
bar x 10
40kgx5
50x5,5,5
Back Squats
warmup
60kgx5
70x5
80x5,5,5
Pullovers, straight armed, on the floor
30kgx5,5,5
A rush to the gym, quick workout and then to Morrisons the supermarket for an all day fried breakfast with the wife. One must have balance in all parts of life.
Surely 50 reps in the gym balances out the 3 rashers of bacon, egg, sausage, beans, toast, fried bread, mushrooms, hash browns, tomato and cola?
no?
hang power snatch/overhead squat
40kgx5/5, 5/5, 5/5, 5/5, 5/5
A glass or two of Hock last night reminded me of just how bad German white wine is, far too sweet and not taste. But going to the gym is a good justification for drinking the night before.
Hang Power Clean
60kgx3
70x3
80x3
90x1
92.5x1
95x0 I thought it was there but stopped at the “snap” point, at the waist. 92.5 felt easy as well, so maybe next time.
Military Press
bar x 10
40x5
50x5
60x4
Back Squat
warmup
60x5
70x5
80x6,6,6
Dumbell Floor Pullover
32.5x5,5,5
What do you weigh BB? So I can get an idea of that hang clean weight relative to your BW.
You’re not far from 100kg now.
What’s your best clean from the floor out of interest? and why do you prefer the hang?
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
What do you weigh BB? So I can get an idea of that hang clean weight relative to your BW.
You’re not far from 100kg now.
What’s your best clean from the floor out of interest? and why do you prefer the hang?
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Hi Brett, 15 stone with clothes on, on a set of Argos’s finest scales. So about 14 stone 10 to 14st 12. At a shade under 6 foot 1. But its not all muscle and sinew.
Ive done over bodyweight hang cleans but a couple of years ago when I wasnt so fat.
fwiw, I consider than one should power clean just slightly less than the bench press. 90-95% say.
I hang clean it as virtually all the power generated in a clean comes from the second pull. And the second pull starts at the hang position. All one is doing by taking the bar from the floor is getting it in to the right position to do the second pull. And as I’m relatively tall for a weightlifter, I find it difficult to get into the right position for the first pull (from the floor) to allow me to get into the right position for the second pull.
So I dont bother. and I still get all the benefits.
Best clean off the floor is the same as my hang clean, currently 92.5.
If youre looking at weightlifting as something to practice, bear in mind that this years 40 to 45 year old British champion at 94kg bodyweight did a c&j of 100kg, the winner in the 105 class c&j’ed 120, as did the winner in the over 105kg.
So honestly, someone with your squat and overall strength might do well. Seriously.
heres a link to the results http://www.britishmasterswl.com/resultsrankings.html
Hang Power Snatch/overhead squat
40x3/3
42.5x 3/3, 3/3, 3/3, 3/3, 3/3
Hang Power snatch
50x1
52.5x1
55x1
57.5x1
Carl Darby has a video today with a c&j of 110 and 112 I believe. He’s 54 and competes at 85kg. He’s very knowledgeable (obviously) and helpful.
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Carl Darby has a video today with a c&j of 110 and 112 I believe. He’s 54 and competes at 85kg. He’s very knowledgeable (obviously) and helpful.[/quote]
I just had a look at that and its astonishing how Carl does it. At his height, weight and age it is truly amazing how he has the strength/speed/timing/flexibility/coordination to do that.
I suspect that learning from Carl would be like talking physics with Einstein, what he says may be simple to him but nigh on impossble for me to comprehend and put into practice.
today
Push Press (after 1 hang power clean)
60kgx3
65x3
70x3
75x3
80x3
82.5x3
Front Squat
40x3
45x3
50x3
55x3
60x3
65x3
70x3,3
Clean and Jerk. Taken from the floor, caught with a slight split. Jerk with a slight split
40x3
60x2
70x2
75x1
80x1
82.5x1
85x0 missed due to slight press-out
60x2
70x1
75x1
80x1
82.5x1,1
85x0 missed due to slight press-out
60x1
70x1
75x1
80x1
82.5x0 didnt get anywhere near
yes, I really did the same lifts three times in a row. the hang power cleans I normally do are all very well but theres not a lot of point to it if you dont then go on and jerk it. Thats todays philosophy anyway. This press-out business must be the bane of amateur lifters lives. I can see how one could push press more than they could jerk.
I’ve been practicing cleans and snatches from the floor rather than the hang, plus practicing catching in a deeper split. And so far it seems to be going ok.
there is definately a difference in the pull when going for a power clean/snatch rather than a split clean/snatch. For it to work I need to be thinking that I am going to get under the bar (with a split) rather than thinking the bar is coming up to me (with a power). Very different from each other.
so,
started at 40kg for the clean and even less for the snatch.
today
clean and jerk
40kgx2
50x2
60x2
70x1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
snatch
40kgx2
45x2
50x2
55x1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
all lifts felt good, with the bar wanting to go higher, and my hands stopping it from doing so at arms length. hopefully, hopefully, pretty please, I’ll soon be able to properly snatch/clean/jerk more than I can power up
press
55x3,3,3
dumbbell split squat
55kg (two dumbbell total)x3 each leg, for 3 sets