Thanks man, appreciate all the info. goes off to get huge
[quote]plateau wrote:
I feel pretty bad after most workouts, after about a month of DC stuff no energy even to cook.
Right now pretty bad, tired, can’t think, sick in gut, grumpy, dry mouth - normally gone by the morning. Am watching my calories and most workouts involve some cardio (solid state, intervals or tabata).
Interested in any solutions you find, imagine once calories go up I will be ok.[/quote]
To the original poster, sounds like a blood sugar issue to me. Try ditching some of the sugar and get slower acting complex carbs in their place. I guarantee it’ll go away. I’ve had EXACTLY what you’re having,and thats what it was. WMS did help as its fast acting/absorbing, but not a sugar and therefore doesn’t cause the huge spike in insulin levels.
NOW, for Plateau here…fuckin bro…I don’t even know where to start with you.Don’t take this offensively, as I’m trying to help and I’m not trying to be a prick…But reading what you wrote made me want to punch my fucking computer out.
Number 1- You just started Doggcrapp, and yet you’re ‘watching calories’, i.e.- DIETING! Even many hardcore “DC 4 life” guys throwing massive weights around switch to a variation or something else once they start dieting because, even for them w/ their experience,IT IS TOO INTENSE TO DO WHILE DIETING! And had you read up on it like you should have and actually USED the information, it is said that you should be on DC for a MINIMUM of 6 months before you even THINK about starting to reduce calories. As Dante has said, “Most of my dieting trainees eat more than a lot of bodybuilders do while bulking up”. DC, especially the first 6 or 12 months, is for BULKING UP (while staying as lean as is acceptable for your personal tastes). You should NOT have started it until you were lean and ready to GAIN.
Number 2- “most workouts involve some cardio (solid state, intervals or tabata).”
YOU DO NOT FUCKING DO INTERVALS OR TABATA ON DOGGCRAPP!! YOU WILL FRY YOUR DAMN CNS AND REGRESS!!!
And again, this is ALL covered had you read up enough. NOTHING but steady state cardio for keeping bodyfat down, HELPING with recovery and upping your appetite is acceptable!! And even with the steady state, it should, especially JUST starting, be done in the AM on OFF DAYS only.It should only be added in on lifting days when you have tried just the 3 or 4 off days for a few months and it isn’t enough.
Number 3- You said you have no energy ‘even to cook’. Which means you’re probably eating even LESS than your FAT LOSS PLAN calls for!!
Damn bro, again, I’m just trying to help, but this is the kinda shit that makes Dante regret even having made this program public at times. DC is not a ‘rearrange to suit yourself’ deal man. You do it the way they say or you DON’T FUCKING DO IT AT ALL!!
And, your body is now telling you why. Your DC report card grade is an F…minus.
Lean out w/ something else, and come back to DC when you’re ready to eat and grow…
And listen.
Kubo
Possible Problems with Energy Levels:
- Too much energy devoted to digestion.
- Whole milk contains tryptophan which promotes sleep.
- Increase in cortisol levels from being stressed which increases calorie burnoff.
- Possible overtraining, although unsure due to lact of data.
- Maybe adrenals over overrun due to excessive caffeine intake, which can lead to surges in energy followed by crashes.
Solutions:
- Try eating something small in the morning just to get you by (eg. a banana, spoonful of Peanut butter, etc).
- Take a glucose drink with you to the gym to sip on as you workout. Ditch the milk.
- Have one cup of coffee in the morning.
- Get on a regular sleep schedule if at all possible, or use melatonin. I have a problem with this one as well, since I’m a bit of an insomniac.
- Have a protein shake immediately after working out with just water.
- Consume a whole food meal 60 min-120 min after training with carbs-proteins-fats.
- Take a day off if you need it. Listen to what you’re body is telling you. If you’re too tired to workout, you’re probably overrun with systemic fatigue.
And I’m out.
v/r
Gremlin
Hey guys, just an update.
Caffeine content is still to high because ive had exams and assignments to finish before my holiday BUT i have been getting in a regular sleeping pattern and felt really good today following my workout.
-Finished an assignment last night but got a decent nights sleep after my sleep in (9 hours)
-Prior to the workout i had an energy drink 10 mins before.
-A protein shake within the first 10 mins w/ only P30 and not carbs.
-Had 500mls whole milk, 1 tbsp of PB, a banana and a mass gainer with P30+C30 after my workout.
Another change was also to the style of training. I did low reps on chest, 2 ex w/3 reps and 1 ex w/8, then did biceps with 6 reps + 10 rep sets. One thing i changed was not going to all out “failure” and leaving one in the tank – one meaning if i’d done it i would have crushed myself as i didnt have a spotter. Could be a reason for the “high” i experienced.
[quote]gremlin1267 wrote:
Possible Problems with Energy Levels:
- Too much energy devoted to digestion.
- Whole milk contains tryptophan which promotes sleep.
- Increase in cortisol levels from being stressed which increases calorie burnoff.
- Possible overtraining, although unsure due to lact of data.
- Maybe adrenals over overrun due to excessive caffeine intake, which can lead to surges in energy followed by crashes.
Solutions:
- Try eating something small in the morning just to get you by (eg. a banana, spoonful of Peanut butter, etc).
- Take a glucose drink with you to the gym to sip on as you workout. Ditch the milk.
- Have one cup of coffee in the morning.
- Get on a regular sleep schedule if at all possible, or use melatonin. I have a problem with this one as well, since I’m a bit of an insomniac.
- Have a protein shake immediately after working out with just water.
- Consume a whole food meal 60 min-120 min after training with carbs-proteins-fats.
- Take a day off if you need it. Listen to what you’re body is telling you. If you’re too tired to workout, you’re probably overrun with systemic fatigue.
And I’m out.
v/r
Gremlin[/quote]
Some good points -
- didnt know about the tryptophan being in milk. i was just reading about this is certain foods and how it can increase seratonin levels in the brain to improve symptoms of depression, but didnt know it made u tired.
- the caffeine is something as well. interesting.
- the sleep patterns are slowly improving
thanks
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
Hey guys, just an update.
Caffeine content is still to high because ive had exams and assignments to finish before my holiday BUT i have been getting in a regular sleeping pattern and felt really good today following my workout.
-Finished an assignment last night but got a decent nights sleep after my sleep in (9 hours)
-Prior to the workout i had an energy drink 10 mins before.
-A protein shake within the first 10 mins w/ only P30 and not carbs.
-Had 500mls whole milk, 1 tbsp of PB, a banana and a mass gainer with P30+C30 after my workout.
Another change was also to the style of training. I did low reps on chest, 2 ex w/3 reps and 1 ex w/8, then did biceps with 6 reps + 10 rep sets. One thing i changed was not going to all out “failure” and leaving one in the tank – one meaning if i’d done it i would have crushed myself as i didnt have a spotter. Could be a reason for the “high” i experienced.
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Glad it sounds like things are going better for you. Just don’t change too much all at once or you’ll never really know what the REAL cause of the problem was to begin with, and therefore, may accidentally repeat it in the future.
Train hard,
Kubo
[quote]MikeKubo wrote:
Just don’t change too much all at once or you’ll never really know what the REAL cause of the problem was to begin with, and therefore, may accidentally repeat it in the future.
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True, especially when it comes to supplements.
As regards the change in rep range - yeah, lower rep sets tend to put less drain on you (especially if you don’t grind reps too much) and you’ll get this “buzz” that many talk about. Low and forceful reps also stimulates more testosterone (if the volume is high enough)…which is always good for your sex life…(don’t ask me how I know that) 
Some could say that the “buzz” is due to the lower volume, but with lower reps you work with a load that’s higher (e.g. 85% 1RM+) and you do more sets, so the overall workload is still high.
Maybe all this “priming the nervous system” CT kept going on about has some merit? lol
You just need to find the good balance between how many back down sets are needed (high rep drop sets) otherwise your muscles tend to “deflate” with inadequate rep sets.