Fat Vaccine?

SCIENTISTS have vaccinated rats against a weight-gain hormone, allowing them to eat freely without getting fat, in a development that raises hopes for treatments for overweight and obese humans.

The vaccine operates against ghrelin - a recently discovered hormone among several which appear to regulate metabolism.

Ghrelin is thought to be implicated in a problem that frustrates many dieters: the tendency for weight to be regained even after successful dieting.

Researchers believe the phenomenon would have conferred an evolutionary advantage among early humans, whose food supply was irregular - ensuring maximum use of available calories during times of famine and programming the body to return quickly to its highest weight.

But for modern people it may mean that if the body is overfed it resets itself to remain that way.

The scientists, from the Skaggs Institute for Chemical Biology in California, vaccinated male rats against several forms of ghrelin, which is produced in the stomach. Two of the three vaccines they tried prevented weight gain in the rats, which were allowed to eat freely and consumed just as much as unimmunised equivalents.

As well, the vaccinated rats retained a higher level of muscle mass compared with fat - suggesting the vaccine was directly affecting the animals’ metabolism rather than just their appetite.

The study leader, Dr Kim Janda, said the rats that mounted the strongest immune response to the vaccine were those who later had the lowest amounts of ghrelin in their brain, suggesting weight can be controlled if ghrelin can be kept out of the central nervous system.

“The results demonstrate a proof of the principle that active immunisation against ghrelin can be used to control weight gain and adiposity in mammals,” Dr Janda wrote in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Professor John Shine, the executive director of Sydney’s Garvan Institute of Medical Research, said the US study was a significant advance, but it was unlikely that immunising against a single hormone would prove a long-term solution to weight gain.

“The whole issue of regulation of appetite and obesity is obviously a very complex jigsaw puzzle, involving complex feedback mechanisms,” he said. If ghrelin were blocked in humans, other weight-gain chemicals might become dominant in its place.

Professor Shine, whose institute is also investigating obesity hormones, said it would be dangerous to trial anti-ghrelin vaccines in humans when the hormone’s role in the body was incompletely understood.

But the knowledge gained from the rat study was more likely to translate into short-acting pharmaceuticals than into a vaccine for humans.

[quote]helga wrote:

SCIENTISTS have vaccinated rats against a weight-gain hormone, allowing them to eat freely without getting fat, in a development that raises hopes for treatments for overweight and obese humans.

The vaccine operates against ghrelin - a recently discovered hormone among several which appear to regulate metabolism.

Ghrelin is thought to be implicated in a problem that frustrates many dieters: the tendency for weight to be regained even after successful dieting.

Researchers believe the phenomenon would have conferred an evolutionary advantage among early humans, whose food supply was irregular - ensuring maximum use of available calories during times of famine and programming the body to return quickly to its highest weight.

But for modern people it may mean that if the body is overfed it resets itself to remain that way.

The scientists, from the Skaggs Institute for Chemical Biology in California, vaccinated male rats against several forms of ghrelin, which is produced in the stomach. Two of the three vaccines they tried prevented weight gain in the rats, which were allowed to eat freely and consumed just as much as unimmunised equivalents.

As well, the vaccinated rats retained a higher level of muscle mass compared with fat - suggesting the vaccine was directly affecting the animals’ metabolism rather than just their appetite.

The study leader, Dr Kim Janda, said the rats that mounted the strongest immune response to the vaccine were those who later had the lowest amounts of ghrelin in their brain, suggesting weight can be controlled if ghrelin can be kept out of the central nervous system.

“The results demonstrate a proof of the principle that active immunisation against ghrelin can be used to control weight gain and adiposity in mammals,” Dr Janda wrote in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Professor John Shine, the executive director of Sydney’s Garvan Institute of Medical Research, said the US study was a significant advance, but it was unlikely that immunising against a single hormone would prove a long-term solution to weight gain.

“The whole issue of regulation of appetite and obesity is obviously a very complex jigsaw puzzle, involving complex feedback mechanisms,” he said. If ghrelin were blocked in humans, other weight-gain chemicals might become dominant in its place.

Professor Shine, whose institute is also investigating obesity hormones, said it would be dangerous to trial anti-ghrelin vaccines in humans when the hormone’s role in the body was incompletely understood.

But the knowledge gained from the rat study was more likely to translate into short-acting pharmaceuticals than into a vaccine for humans.
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When I read this Nutty Professor comes to mind.

Really interesting how hard science is trying to get around good old exercise and self discipline. THe way I see it is the world is overpopulated as it is, why should we try and save those who choose a shorter life filled with cakes and cookies?? I can understand people with real deseases that causes the metabolic changes but I definitely don’t think this should be something that is given out to any overweight man who wants a vaccine so he can go clog his arteries and die anyways. Just my opinion though, would love to hear what others have to say.

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
helga wrote:

SCIENTISTS have vaccinated rats against a weight-gain hormone, allowing them to eat freely without getting fat, in a development that raises hopes for treatments for overweight and obese humans.

The vaccine operates against ghrelin - a recently discovered hormone among several which appear to regulate metabolism.

Ghrelin is thought to be implicated in a problem that frustrates many dieters: the tendency for weight to be regained even after successful dieting.

Researchers believe the phenomenon would have conferred an evolutionary advantage among early humans, whose food supply was irregular - ensuring maximum use of available calories during times of famine and programming the body to return quickly to its highest weight.

But for modern people it may mean that if the body is overfed it resets itself to remain that way.

The scientists, from the Skaggs Institute for Chemical Biology in California, vaccinated male rats against several forms of ghrelin, which is produced in the stomach. Two of the three vaccines they tried prevented weight gain in the rats, which were allowed to eat freely and consumed just as much as unimmunised equivalents.

As well, the vaccinated rats retained a higher level of muscle mass compared with fat - suggesting the vaccine was directly affecting the animals’ metabolism rather than just their appetite.

The study leader, Dr Kim Janda, said the rats that mounted the strongest immune response to the vaccine were those who later had the lowest amounts of ghrelin in their brain, suggesting weight can be controlled if ghrelin can be kept out of the central nervous system.

“The results demonstrate a proof of the principle that active immunisation against ghrelin can be used to control weight gain and adiposity in mammals,” Dr Janda wrote in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Professor John Shine, the executive director of Sydney’s Garvan Institute of Medical Research, said the US study was a significant advance, but it was unlikely that immunising against a single hormone would prove a long-term solution to weight gain.

“The whole issue of regulation of appetite and obesity is obviously a very complex jigsaw puzzle, involving complex feedback mechanisms,” he said. If ghrelin were blocked in humans, other weight-gain chemicals might become dominant in its place.

Professor Shine, whose institute is also investigating obesity hormones, said it would be dangerous to trial anti-ghrelin vaccines in humans when the hormone’s role in the body was incompletely understood.

But the knowledge gained from the rat study was more likely to translate into short-acting pharmaceuticals than into a vaccine for humans.

When I read this Nutty Professor comes to mind.

Really interesting how hard science is trying to get around good old exercise and self discipline. THe way I see it is the world is overpopulated as it is, why should we try and save those who choose a shorter life filled with cakes and cookies?? I can understand people with real deseases that causes the metabolic changes but I definitely don’t think this should be something that is given out to any overweight man who wants a vaccine so he can go clog his arteries and die anyways. Just my opinion though, would love to hear what others have to say.[/quote]

Could possibly save billions in health care.

Now if they can only make a vaccine to quit smoking there would be alot of unemployed doctors.

[quote]scotty144 wrote:

Could possibly save billions in health care.

Now if they can only make a vaccine to quit smoking there would be alot of unemployed doctors.

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Forget quiting smoking. How about a vaccine to cure Stupidity. That could save even more money.

[quote]bigurukhai wrote:
scotty144 wrote:

Could possibly save billions in health care.

Now if they can only make a vaccine to quit smoking there would be alot of unemployed doctors.

Forget quiting smoking. How about a vaccine to cure Stupidity. That could save even more money. [/quote]

eat good fats and it might cure peoples’ stupidity and their obesity

a vaccine however allowing them to eat whatever crap they want = other terrible diseases emerging

nevertheless, could be a good thing

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
bigurukhai wrote:
scotty144 wrote:

Could possibly save billions in health care.

Now if they can only make a vaccine to quit smoking there would be alot of unemployed doctors.

Forget quiting smoking. How about a vaccine to cure Stupidity. That could save even more money.

eat good fats and it might cure peoples’ stupidity and their obesity

a vaccine however allowing them to eat whatever crap they want = other terrible diseases emerging

nevertheless, could be a good thing[/quote]

fuck vaccinating the porkers-just sterilize 'em!

I don’t like the idea of busting my hump to keep it off, abstaining from certain foods that taste good but aren’t good for me, getting off my a$$, etc, only to have someone with no self discipline get a shot and be able to lay around on the couch eating pizza, potato chips, and ding-dongs while staying thin.
I wouldn’t mind as much if it were only to fix the people that have true medical problems that cause them to become obese (glandular disorders, etc), as I truly feel for those that eat clean and bust their hump but medically can’t trim up.
Fatness is the physical variable that distinguishes those that take care of themselves and those that are just plain lazy. I don’t want Jabba the Hut to look like me without putting in the work. That’s why I’m (and probably most of you, as well) here at T-Nation.

we should put them all into camps…we can call them work camps and they kill them in showers with gas or in ovens…we can call it the fatocaust

another thing though think about how big people could get from lifting. a forever bulk no fat gain

this vaccine is EXTREMELY dangerous AND stupid. It tells your own immune system to attack the neuropeptide that signals your body that you are hungry.

How fucking retarded dangerous is that? Do you know how many neuropeptides have similar structures, what is to stop this antibody from attacking other important neuropeptides.

stupidest vaccine ever developed.

Pity… hard work and common sense being replaced by a needle with some artificial crap in it.

[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
Pity… hard work and common sense being replaced by a needle with some artificial crap in it.[/quote]

haha yeah what kind of loser would inject themselves in the butt… or thigh just to go the easy route.

[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
Pity… hard work and common sense being replaced by a needle with some artificial crap in it.[/quote]

It’s the American way to avoid at all costs the consequences of bad behavior.

[quote]budlight1 wrote:
Shoebolt wrote:
Pity… hard work and common sense being replaced by a needle with some artificial crap in it.

haha yeah what kind of loser would inject themselves in the butt… or thigh just to go the easy route.[/quote]

juicers come to mind…

Um,I dont give a fuck if a fat person wants a miracle shot to be thin.They cant have it.90% of fat people just dont want to get off their ass and move…If they have some imbalance that causes them to store an abnormal amount of fat then fine,let them have it.

How about a vaccine for them to stop gorging themselves stupid? I mean that’s why they’re fat. It has nothing to do with hormones or what not. All the fat hormones are there as an effect and not the cause of their fatness. Make a vaccine that makes them feel ill when eating more then a handfull. They’re all proessional hardcore eaters. They All load up on food, usually in private, till their stomachs are about to burst. Then as soon as there’s more room, they eat more. And usually it’s crappy, sugary, high fructose corn syrup type foods.

Why do people only look at effects of a particular? Why not look to the source and cure it that way?

gastric bypass kinda works on the principle of eating only a handful. 2 of my relatives have it. they still eat till they are sick. its pathetic. if people jsut cahnge there diets a little bit. like following beradi’s seven habits they would lose tons of weight. i used to be a fat boy. then i looked at myself in the mirror and was disgusted with myself. i chnaged my eating habits and now im around 11 percent bf. i could be lower if i was stricter but im happy where i am. its not hard to lose weight . the problem is people dotn know how to lose weight properly becasue they go on diets. it sohuldnt be called a diet it should be called a lifestyle.

[quote]budlight1 wrote:
Shoebolt wrote:
Pity… hard work and common sense being replaced by a needle with some artificial crap in it.

haha yeah what kind of loser would inject themselves in the butt… or thigh just to go the easy route.[/quote]

cos bottles of test deadlift 700 and squat 500 on a regular basis…