[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
People wonder why the french are leaner than americans, and the answer lies not in the diet or eating habits, it lies in the fact that an obese white woman would be on the verge of suicide after a string of rejections and humiliations when she has a night out in Paris.[/quote]
Very true.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
We even have T-Nation’s resident blond hippopotamus (no prozes for guessing who i am referring to)[/quote]
print?
hmm…besides print!
[quote]Makavali wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
We even have T-Nation’s resident blond hippopotamus (no prozes for guessing who i am referring to)
print?[/quote]
Oh.
Wol.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
hmm…besides print!
Makavali wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
We even have T-Nation’s resident blond hippopotamus (no prozes for guessing who i am referring to)
print?[/quote]
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
That statement would have had more effect a few years back.
The reality is, that in modern day america, the fat woman is looked at as a brave warrior fighting a war with mainstream skinny-obsessed society that discriminates against her. People who work out on the other hand are egomaniacs.
Anyone watch that show “Who wants to be a superhero” where they even had one such character 'Fat Momma" who had the nerve to make fun of the bodybuilder-type character!
And as difficult as it may be for you to accept, said fatass chick has a higher chance of getting laid than you probably do. In THIS day and age, not a few years back when being obese was looked at as little a temporary condition that rendered victims undesirable.
I’ve seen a couple of my fellow gym rats (even white boys) dating fat girls every once in a while since we all need the variety, but then I see so many normal looking dudes (NOT always black surprisingly) with fat homely WIVES these days, wives who actually complain about their husbands’ obsession with lifting…
…so now it appears that people are CHOOSING fat mates voluntarily and then we all wonder why there’s an epidemic of obesity.
People wonder why the french are leaner than americans, and the answer lies not in the diet or eating habits, it lies in the fact that an obese white woman would be on the verge of suicide after a string of rejections and humiliations when she has a night out in Paris.
A very different scenario caompared to what she would go through here.
So yes, fatasses ARE fooling some people. IN AMERICA…and left unchecked, the numbers will keep growing. The good news though, is that the kind of people WE are interested in, are probably NOT falling for the act as much as the others.
Of course, if more people thought that way YOU do when they see the word ‘juicy’ across a fat woman’s ass…we wouldn’t have as many fat people in this country.
tveddy wrote:
I hate it when I see the fat girls with juicy written on their ass. All I can ever think of is that I dont want any of that juice, especially if thats where its comin from.
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I think it was of the authors here that summed this up best along the lines of “The only reason there are so many fat broads is because guys will still fuck them”. I see it all the time. I know a couple 5’5" 300lbers that go out and pick up ‘normal’ guys all the time then think they are hot shit because of it.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:
People wonder why the french are leaner than americans, and the answer lies not in the diet or eating habits, it lies in the fact that an obese white woman would be on the verge of suicide after a string of rejections and humiliations when she has a night out in Paris.
Very true.[/quote]
I wouldn’t say that. I got back from France last year and noticed a few things:
Pretty much everyone smokes (appetite suppression)
Everyone eats SOMETHING for breakfast
No such thing as ‘buying in bulk;’ you buy a pack of whatever or bag of something and it lasts you a few meals/preparations, whatever
Food is expensive, hence the above
There’s just less packaged food (read: less calorically dense foods that are within reach)
People actually socialize over meals, meaning they take longer to finish and hence the 20 minute rule that Shugart talked about - though I would not credit him with somehow “discovering” this phenomenon, I think we all knew it but some needed the reminder - comes into play, every time
At least in Paris, people walk a LOT (NEPA)
I noticed the same in Istanbul.
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What Ponce said is basically true for many developed countries other than USA. A close friend spent the summer in Moscow and I was in contact with her constantly. I can assert that 1,3,4,5, and 7 are definitely true in Moscow, especially the price of food (the others are probably true as well).
I cannot argue as to whether or not tribunaldude’s original comment holds merit, but I think a combination of the true would be probably most accurate: habitual daily life AND cultural rejection are responsible for keeping people “leaner”.
The other major problem is the fat acceptance. I think the problem has persisted for too long AND can only be resolved by real change and hard work. As a result, no magic pill or surgery is going to be effective here, nor practical when the majority of people are obese.
Everyday I see on the news about some school district trying to get more state money for healthier lunches, new playgrounds, forcing kids to walk more, etc. I can’t say this is necessarily bad, but I still hold parents responsible. That is another discussion though.
[quote]speedster00 wrote:
stole this article off another site, thought I’d share it.
" So, what are you doing for a living these days?" Bob asked me. We’re sitting on the couch at one of those tedious holiday get-togethers.
" I’ m the assistant editor and a writer for Testosterone magazine, It’ s a bodybuilding magazine," I say.
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Stole it off another site? It started life HERE!
The clue: I’ m the assistant editor and a writer for Testosterone magazine
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
What Ponce said is basically true for many developed countries other than USA. A close friend spent the summer in Moscow and I was in contact with her constantly. I can assert that 1,3,4,5, and 7 are definitely true in Moscow, especially the price of food (the others are probably true as well).
I cannot argue as to whether or not tribunaldude’s original comment holds merit, but I think a combination of the true would be probably most accurate: habitual daily life AND cultural rejection are responsible for keeping people “leaner”.
The other major problem is the fat acceptance. I think the problem has persisted for too long AND can only be resolved by real change and hard work. As a result, no magic pill or surgery is going to be effective here, nor practical when the majority of people are obese.
Everyday I see on the news about some school district trying to get more state money for healthier lunches, new playgrounds, forcing kids to walk more, etc. I can’t say this is necessarily bad, but I still hold parents responsible. That is another discussion though.[/quote]
i agree i think the biggest two problems are the availibility of terrible food and the pro-fat attitude.
i think the biggest problem of the two is the false sense of acceptance. the reason is because while the terrible food and lack of exercise is the true cause or rather potential of obesisty a person who thinks its bad being fat would most likely make a lifestyle change to reverse the obese effects.
they would either stop eating so badly, start exercising or a combination of both. however when this acceptance factor is instated the person sees no need to stop because theres some whole faux-movement behind fat is beauty and all that other bullshit.
well im here to tell you that its not true, fat is gross and you should be ashamed of yourself if youd rather try to embrace it than face your problems. its an act of cowardice above all else.
Everyone should embrace and accept my heroine meth and alcohol addictions.
All you non addicts are just being vain.
[quote]Boffin wrote:
speedster00 wrote:
stole this article off another site, thought I’d share it.
" So, what are you doing for a living these days?" Bob asked me. We’re sitting on the couch at one of those tedious holiday get-togethers.
" I’ m the assistant editor and a writer for Testosterone magazine, It’ s a bodybuilding magazine," I say.
…
Stole it off another site? It started life HERE!
The clue: I’ m the assistant editor and a writer for Testosterone magazine
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Man I love that article. I’ve handed it out a few times trying to get my point accross to people who talk to me about fitness. Major kodos to who ever wrote this
Youre right. I mean, just rejecting fatasses socially won;t make society leaner, but I’m saying that the cultural rejection DRIVES the social changes that make for a healthy daily life that then keeps people leaner. I meant that the cultural rejection (which can be traced back to the human adoration of a mesomorphic physique) was the driving factor that enables everything else.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
I think a combination of the true would be probably most accurate: habitual daily life AND cultural rejection are responsible for keeping people “leaner”.
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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Youre right. I mean, just rejecting fatasses socially won;t make society leaner, but I’m saying that the cultural rejection DRIVES the social changes that make for a healthy daily life that then keeps people leaner. I meant that the cultural rejection (which can be traced back to the human adoration of a mesomorphic physique) was the driving factor that enables everything else.
njrusmc wrote:
I think a combination of the true would be probably most accurate: habitual daily life AND cultural rejection are responsible for keeping people “leaner”.
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So do you think it is society that makes the change or do you think the media and economic factors influence the “acceptance” attitude?
I don’t know which influences more. We always have to battle what is politically incorrect and what “correct” things we should kick to the curb.
It’s like sometimes as a whole, we swing so far to one side to make up for things we create a whole new problem.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
well im here to tell you that its not true, fat is gross and you should be ashamed of yourself if youd rather try to embrace it than face your problems. its an act of cowardice above all else.[/quote]
QFT. The only fat people I respect are the ones who won’t be fat for long (hint to the slower readers: the ones doing something about it).
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
So do you think it is society that makes the change or do you think the media and economic factors influence the “acceptance” attitude?[/quote]
This is how my simple pot-smoking brain thinks about this: Society and the media feed off each other in a chaotic manner. The media ‘assumes’ what the society is trying to achieve, and the society then draws lessons from what is portrayed in the media, and the process repeats ad nauseam.
Key points:
the message sent to the media depends on the strength of representation of different segments times the ‘paying power’ of said segment - e.g. no one is interested in the opinions of the homeless. Also if 95% of the people here become obese, bodybuilders and even general fitness people will become the rejects.
In all such upheavals, social rejects/misfits caught in the crossfire create new segments (goth/punk kids, street gangs, emos, feeder/feedees, transexuals, whatever)…and as each segment grows in strength relative to other segments, it can influence society and eventually become the mainstream.
I was brought up to think that if you believed in a value or idea, you owe it to yourself to fight hard to cultivate enough strength/power to be able to ENFORCE that idea, whether by increasing the number of people who believed in the same idea OR by raising your own status. You can’t wait idly on the side and hope that the "mainstream’ accepts that idea on its own merit. e.g. Bodybuilding will never become mainstream because bbers just don;t care! They want to stand out, and if everyone carries a lot of muscle it will be all the more difficult to stand out in a crowd.
I would say that the average “bber” on T-Nation really wants a world filled with general fitness people who are inadequately muscled (so they themselves can stand out in a crowd) and skinny-fat guys, a FEW heavily muscled individuals who are themselves influential enough to afffect society and a FEW obese dudes to round things out (pun intended).
[quote]It’s like sometimes as a whole, we swing so far to one side to make up for things we create a whole new problem.
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Thats the way of things…problem solving is always inductive and iterative. You envision a middle ground and then swing both ways and hope to eventually settle where you wanted to. You had severe racism/segregation once, and then you swing towards affirmative action to even the odds but you end up overdoing that…and then the undercover aryan political brotherhoods step in and swing things the other way again, its just the way we swing!
and do the fat chicks think we are stupid when they take their “myspace snaps” from above, so we cant see their triple chins and anything past their fat boobs.
do they really expect us not to notice that they are oversize.
[quote]The Manthony wrote:
and do the fat chicks think we are stupid when they take their “myspace snaps” from above, so we cant see their triple chins and anything past their fat boobs.
do they really expect us not to notice that they are oversize.
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my rule of thumb for myspace browsing is that if a chick wont post her whole body shes fat.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Back in the day we used to roll them down a hill. Best was when our local fat kid (cause there only used to be one every couple of blocks) would come out of hiding for the ice cream truck.
A whole pack of us would converge like lions on a watering hole and ambush the fucker. Then we’d run him around the neighborhood for sport until we wrangled him up towards the top of Vernridge hill.
Once there we would chase him down hill and kick his feet from behind until he tripped. Then would begin the rolling of the fat kid.
Thse were good times.
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THAT WAS YOU???!!! And where the hell did you hide my gumball machine???
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Everyday I see on the news about some school district trying to get more state money for healthier lunches, new playgrounds, forcing kids to walk more, etc. I can’t say this is necessarily bad, but I still hold parents responsible. That is another discussion though.[/quote]
All the time I see or hear in the news or from my mother who is a elementary school teacher, how they are constantly removing pe and other because of child left behind. That program has the schools focusing so hard on getting test scores up which is a questionable teaching agenda from the start. They are also cutting recess or “break” to 10 minutes. I also hear on the news how “tag” and other running games are being banned at school because of some retard who fell down and broke something.