Fat loss.

Hey Vinny, you read my posts on this thread? HAHAHA! Check out this post from NAAFA! Since you love these fat pigs so much, I hope this one sits on your face! LOL!

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musicmaker

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Registered: Sep 2001

posted 09-10-2001 07:36 PM

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I am having a terrible time finding a toilet seat that holds my weight. I weigh around 400 pounds and have cracked two wooden seats in the last year. Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone know of a good strong seat that will not crack?

This Vince Basile guy is bothering me. Ihaven’t read all of the replies to this post but I’ve read enough of Basile’s replies to realize that a degree from a college doesn’t mean shit. The reason so many fat people stay fat is because they buy into defeatist theories like his. Unless you are too fat too stand up and walk around then it is very possible to lose weight. It may take weeks or it may take years but it’s possible. Fat people aren’t aliens they are human just like bodybuilders and the same basic rules apply to their bodies as to ours.

I don’t even know where to begin. As a person who works in healthcare, and more specifically, evaluates the health of potential organ donors (who are dead or dying) for a living I can tell you without reservation that being fat is absolutely the WORST long term health related lifestyle choice a person can make (with the possible exception of abusing certain very dangerous illegal drugs). It’s worse than smoking or excessive drinking. For an organization claim, not only that this is OK, but to provide strategies to prevent society from encouraging change is beyond irresponsible, it’s downright evil.

Do you know what the majority (depending on where you draw the line)of very obese people worldwide have in common (besides that they eat too much and aren’t active enough)? It’s that they live in the United States, by far the wealthiest country in the world. Think that could be a coincidence? Are these people really trying to convince themselves that they have no control over their problem? The vast majority of people in the world don’t even have the resources to over-eat. Let’s pretend for a minute that fat people don’t eat more than other people (they do, but for the sake of argument we’ll say they don’t). So what? If you gain weight eating what everyone else eats, then you have to eat less than everyone else. (But I’m still hungry! Whaah!) It’s called self-control, it’s what separates us from the animals. You know how civilization started? Some chimp-like creature a few thousand years ago resisted the impulse to eat and fuck for a while and built something he thought would be useful in the future.

And yes, I believe there are certain people who don’t respond significantly to diet or exercise. How many are there? By my calculations there should be just about ONE for every genetic mutant capable of winning a Mr. Olympia. How many is that? A few thousand, in the whole world? What if it’s more, a few million? Certainly not the tens or hundreds of millions NAAFA would like you to believe. I’m going to start a few new websites and link them to NAAFA’s. Smokers who can’t quit but want you to love them anyway and let them smoke in your face, alcoholics who can’t quit but want you to love them anyway, and want you to let them introduce legislation to stop discrimination against them when they drive, and drug addicts who can’t quit (even with help) and want you to see there’s nothing wrong with it (and want you to feel responsible for footing the bill for their healthcare).

Check out NAAFA's position on physical fitness they have posted on their site. Can fat people achieve a high level of cardiovascular fitness? Yes, but they'll probably need knee replacements early in life. Can they develop a high level of strength conditioning? Sure, you should have seen the fat sack of crap that won a local power lifting competition (hey, if I only had to push the bar three inches and were packed into a Kevlar shark suit I could bench 500, too). Can they maintain a high degree of mobility? Of course (so long as they can fit into bathroom stalls and don't break the toilet off the wall, and can fit in an airplane seat). Are they still doing horrible things to their health in spite of these things? Hell yes. There is not one disease, not one, that obesity doesn't exacerbate.

Bottom line, dieting works. Exercise works. Long term lifestyle changes work. For everyone. If you can’t resist the temptation to eat Oreos then don’t keep them in your house. If you don’t like exercise, do it anyway. Ya, it sometimes sucks. It seems like this Vince imbecile and some overweight people think bodybuilders were able to accomplish their fitness goals because it was easy for them. It isn’t, but it is worth it.
-FB

I don’t get your post here… Are you saying that fat people shouldn’t be exercising??? Recent studies have shown that an active fat person will out live an inactive skinny person… The reason we exercise should be about living a healthier and longer lifestyle and more functional… Not to lose weight gain muscle ect… That all happens in the course of our bettering our lives exercising and eating healthy… By the way I do I a degree in exercise science, I am CSCS certified plus I have been in the personal training field for over seven years… At first when I read some of these post in T-mag I thought it was another dumb bodybuilding mag… But I was wrong there are some intelegent people writting in this post even if they don’t have degree’s in Exercise Science… They have experience . Although the only thing that I disagree is that there are a lot of Loyal brand users of supplement here thats it all I disagree…

There will be quiz in tomarrow mornings class on obesity. All answers must be in essay form and no more than 1000 sentences long.
Wow Vince, You make your presence known. I was stopped in my tracks by two comments you made.So here is my two cents worth of imput.

First was that only qualified authorities with credentials should make health recommendations. Many famous people like Bill gates (who made your word processor communicate to this forum,)do not have accredited degrees. Yet through hard work and effort became the leader his field.
2. You said"Just because body builders get results doesn’t mean that fat people can"Fat people can change if they are not limited by a medical condition. Is obesity is a medical condition like alcoholism? Both alcoholism and obesity have no known medical cure. Yet groups such as AA and OA have huge amounts of successes in a complishing these goals. Fat people can change, I know I use to be one of those big ol boys. See you in school tomarrow! Peace

So you don’t even have your exercise science degree?? Only a couple of course in arts and PE??? That makes you an expert on Fat people??? I think not!!! When you get your degree talk to us there are people in here with no degree’s that are smart then you or at least they think more logically then you do.

I wasn’t going to bother arguing back& forth over each little point, trying to make my argument holeproof. i’ll just make this short & sweet. So what should they do? At some point they have to create a calorie deficit, causing healthy weight loss, barring glandular problems etc. Spending time at universities, you soon notice many people spend too much time disclaiming and thinking critically without exploring possibilities and attempting to solve & research. Too many conservatives perhaps? Progress forward and tell us what works, not what doesn’t. You paint a grim and unrealistic picture. How many fat primates are there? Are you saying obesity is an uncurable, hopeless genetic disorder? Go ahead. Pick it apart quote by quote. Yawn.

I was gonna leave this alone but…I used to have a serious drug adiction problem. Now, what we are talking about here is, to larger or smaller degree, is food adiction. It’s believed that genetics play a role in this also. There has been research that showed that the sons of alcoholic parents given to adoption at birth are 25% more likely to became alcoholics themselves latter in their lifes. Does this mean that alcoholics( and drug adicts, wich are the same) are hopeless, incurable cases? That theres no point in trying to solve the problem?

Sorry, i hit “the post message” before i had finished

continued from the other post- I think not, and this is what the NAAFA is all about, giving up, losing hope. It’s just sad.

Vince, I, for one, appreciate your deigning to share with us the hypertrophy of your ego. You are are the only person on this list that has all the answers. How 'bout sharing with us your solution for world piece? Thanks for making my day.

Vince, how about a hypothetical: If we left a fat person 1,000 miles from nowhere with an unlimited supply of drinking water and a remote-control refrigerated cart containing enough healthy food to last them a year and gave them 1 year to get home, do you think they would lose weight?

Who cares, let these pathetic people be whatever they want. Clearly they have the ability to be fit, healthy and not be obese but they choose to be otherwise. If they’re so content with being chronic lardasses, it is totally fine with me. It only makes me look good! The sacrifice of the many leaves the remaining hot chicks for the few.

I think that there are some VERY good points being raised here. I especially agree with the responses from JasonL and JJ_360. I was over 300 lbs from the time I was 16 until I was 25 years old. I used to wear a 54 pants and they were even starting to get tight. I played football and wrestled in highschool and was always in the gym but never had much education beyond what you learn from trial and error. When I made a REAL EFFORT(and that’s exactly what it takes, a REAL effort)about 2 years ago to start to build some serious muscle I started to get educated. I bought books, magazines, talked to people who had built the physique I wanted to build, and seeked out sources of information like this site(which I only started to read in the past 5 months)all in an effort to amass as much theory and practical advice I could manage to absorb. The first thing I realized is that I had a slow metabolism, good disposition to build muscle, and my carb intake was almost 5 times my protein intake with little to no fatty acids. I overhauled my diet immediately and started eating 5 times a day. How many fat people do you know who say “I hardly ever eat and I still get fat”, see the problem with that statement?? That was me 2 years ago! I went too light on my carbs for the first year and lost alot of lean muscle along with the fat, but I am rebuilding now. I went from 348 lbs with a 54" waist to 225 lbs and a 42" waist in just under a year. Then I started to increase my carbs to 2 grams per day per lb and ate 6 meals a day. My diet was about 40% protein, 50% carbs, and 10% fat and over the next year gained 4 lbs and went from 42" waist to 38. That’s called proper nutrition and willpower. You don’t get to be over 300 lbs for 9 straight years without being a bit lazy about both lifestyle and diet so I know the temptation of the Colonel and his damned chicken, and MR. McDonald and his burgers but I made a concious CHOICE to be better and I did it. I am not finished yet, and I have much more education to get, but I am well on the road. All people need is proper education and the willpower to do it. EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO YOUR MOUTH GETS THERE BY YOUR OWN HAND!! Remember that! If you can’t control that then you need help, like a drug addict. I agree that it is hard, but you make the choice of either fat or healthy, no one makes it for you. All medical conditions aside of course. Thanks for letting me ramble, but I think my results speak for themselves whether I have a masters, PHD or whatever, none of that can compare with actual trial and error experience.

You dont see any fat people in Ethiopia.

Damn, man - GOOD JOB!!! Very inspiring. I hope you keep us all up to date as to your progress!

What's so sad? That them people over at NAAFA would just dismiss you as another "genetic wonder" and "foo foo" your hard work and commitment. Or they'd just ban your posts all together - if you were to go there and let them know about your achievements.

Oh well, their loss.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! One more great one from NAAFA!:

yourmamma2000

posted 04-07-2002 08:50 AM


My husband and I tried anal sex the other day but he could not reach me because he is small. Can anybody suggest anything to solve this problem?
thanks in advance for your help.

That’s some funny shit bro! It’s like that joke about the circus fat lady that married the midget…the midget’s in heaven because he can fuck a different fold every night! In the case of your post, it sounds like the world’s fattest bitch married the “man” with the world’s smallest dick! LOL.

Hey Vinny, you still around?