All those racial norms mean is that if you gather 100 white men and 100 black men, the 100 black men will be more athletic on average. That’s not to say the most talented individual will be black though
That is exactly what i was saying. A white or asain man one day could have the ability to be the fastest man in the world im not saying there genes wont allow it. im saying its less likely to happen.
Im half white and half black so i have no bias and respect every race equally. and if my statement was so off taste the asain guy that can out jump any person on this board wouldnt have agreed. if you took 100 asains yea maybe only 5 would have the ability if trained right to jump 40" but he is one of those 5.
I do not believe that blacks are more talented than whites as a race for power sports. Many others have mentioned other sports where whites tend to be more dominate ie. Olympic lifting. So I wouldn’t say that blacks have more fast twitch muscle fibers than whites.
However, specific to the 100m, 200m, 400m in Track and Field, I do believe blacks do have superior genetics as a race. Reasons being, smaller frame and bone structure and longer limbs “as a race,” which definitely helps in an event like the 100m. This however, would be a disadvantage in any sport where pure strength and power come into play. Including, Weightlifting, powerlifting, and the Throws in T & F.
Based of this I really think we need to make 2 new threads.
Is it really genetics that help black athletes in U.S. sports.
U.S. Dominance in Basketball.
You can argue that we don’t need these 2 threads, but both issues always seem to come up in a number of forums regardless of what the initial topic was about.
Based of this I really think we need to make 2 new threads.
Is it really genetics that help black athletes in U.S. sports.
U.S. Dominance in Basketball.
You can argue that we don’t need these 2 threads, but both issues always seem to come up in a number of forums regardless of what the initial topic was about.
Eic, I think you made some very valid points. I don’t agree with all of them but I must recon. I think anybody is entitled to have their opinion and I’m glad you didn’t take it personal.
As for the US basketball, well I think it’s ashame if the best player wouldn’t show up for money basically instead of representing their country.
Believe it or not, but the rest of the world’s teams have also the same obstacles to overcome. Pro players, international competitions in the off season, players worldwide (NBA, other countries in Europe, etc…) They are not club teams playing together all the time. And you can’t blame them for the USA lack of organization.
I mean you must admit the level of the NBA would be lower without the addition of the European players, even if they are still minority but again, at equal talent, a coach would rather have an American play than a European I think… The level has slightly declined since the Magic’s, Bird’s and Michael’s years.
I think there was a very intelligent post that stated the social and economical background plays a big factor in this “average” athleticisms debate. It’s probably the case and most obvious in the US but I’d bet that’s pretty irrelevant among similar social classes.
The 100m is really the only event I have to agree, black athletes do dominate the sport, but I don’t think the genes alone explain it, it’s an excuse for less talented or lazy white people and a disrespect to their training dedication.
[quote]Edders wrote:
Grey Area wrote:
There’s a guy from my old school who ran 10.22 at age 17, which I think was about the time he started weight training. Not sure if he’s much faster these days or not. He planned on being the first white guy sub 10 seconds, but I’ve not heard anything about him since he left school.
I noticed you said one of the first “white guys.” Why do you think that black people seem to hold such dominance in the sprint events?[/quote]
I vaguely recall you shitting up a thread a while back. Your post seems to be worded solely to stir up shit, and it appears you’ve succeeded.
Eic, you’ll notice being tall isn’t a disadvantage when weight classes go up, most lifters are above 6ft when you go past 90kg, yet, there still is no sign of black athletes.
No offense at all. I have nothing personally invested in this topic, and I enjoy discussing our observations. In truth, I think there is a lot of common ground.
As for European players in the NBA, I do agree they have enhanced the quality of the play. I also believe that the talent internationally has grown. This is why the U.S. cannot get away with simply showing up to international competitions any more. That will get us in the top 5 teams, but its not going to win a championship. We need a dedicated team to do that. But, as you say, I think money and obligations to their pro teams keep a lot of the big-name NBA players from showing up.
Superscience,
I stated that height is one factor to explain the trend in weightlifting. The other is that the natural attributes of blacks, in my mind, is limited specifically to things like limb lengths and tendon attachements which appear to have minimal to no added benefit in weightlifting, powerlifting, throwing, racketsports, etc. Again I don’t think it has to do with muscle fiber composition, so I was wrong when I said “power sports.” That was my mistake and I would agree with Fred that it appears to be something specifically limited to (or at least the most pronounced in) things like the 100 meters.
Again, I really think that we’ve pretty much reached as much of a consensus on this issue as we’re going to and I don’t intend to debate it much more. I personally appreciate the opinions that several of you added and that this didn’t erupt into an argument.
The Australian who ran the 9.96 is an Aboriginal. Their skin colour is black and they have completely different gentic traits. I think his name was Streete-Thompson
[quote]alexdoesweights wrote:
The Australian who ran the 9.96 is an Aboriginal. Their skin colour is black and they have completely different gentic traits. I think his name was Streete-Thompson[/quote]
That Australian to whom you are referring is Patrick Johnson. Kareem Streete-Thomspn is from the Cayman Islands and also has a best of 9.96
Just read this whole thread, an interesting debate. As a brit have to correct one mistake Allan Wells ran 10.11 not 10.24. Semi final moscow 1980.
Athletic populations by their very definition are an exclusive group and therefore using them to make generalisations about the the rest of the population would be wrong scientifically. Take the 100m which is how this thread started, only 53 guys out of 6 billion have ever run sub 10. A pretty exclusive group. Likewise all people who play pro basketball, american football etc etc are the exception not the rule. Within this “exceptional” group there will also be exceptions. Many people mentioned limb length as an advantage in sprinting for black people, i dont however recal Maurice green, Ato Boldon, Jon Drummond, Bruny Surin or Andre Cason having long limbs yet they were all world class. But Linford Christie, Carl Lewis, Asafa Powell all have long limbs. Actual statistics on this topic are very difficult to find because there is little or no “statistically significant” information that supports any racial advantages in sporting performance unless you are talking east african heritage in middle and long distance performance. You will also find exceptions here to. Why dont we just enjoy sporting talent for what it is and in the process be amazed at what humans can do regardless of racial heritage.