[quote]Aggv wrote:
every race is prone to violence, criminal activity, racism, and generally evil behavior. It’s stupid to suggest otherwise, but it’s equally stupid to have a double standard when it comes to laws dealing with race. I dont know why there are laws that even mention race anymore, that in and by it’s self fucking retarded.
and if a black person plays basketball and eats a royal with cheeses a couple times a day can be a bodybuilder [/quote]
There are race hate laws because there were a shit load of black people getting hung and dragged behind trucks in the past which make the field unfair…so they tried to regulate it through law.
I agree, we can question whether they serve any good purpose now…but it is strange to me for anyone to question if they were ever needed.[/quote]
I do agree they were once needed but hate crime laws did not show up until after most of the truly heinous acts that you are referring to. The first hate crime laws were not put in place until 1981 and while there were still some glaring examples of hate crimes like the James Byrd dragging death in Texas (who didn’t institute hate crime laws until 2001). That didn’t need to be labeled a hate crime for them to for justice to be served. They should have all been put to death not because it was a crime against a black man but because it was a disgusting crime against another human being.[/quote]
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
I agree with that. That’s what I intended to convey but maybe it got lost in my rambling. I was pointing out that skin color in that situation should not have mattered, they should have all three been killed for what they did. Also that hate crime laws were not instituted until well past the period of our history that X is referring to.
You just sound scared to me and your fear wants company. I ask, what’s in it for you? I mean, you are speaking using the talking points of an agenda. Retorica degenerata. Save it for the simple minded. [/quote]
Agreed. He does sound scared…of the black people…because skin color somehow means you commit more crime…because colors are bad.
People with racist tendencies spend quite a bit of time trying to justify those tendencies so they can convince themselves that fear isn’t racist.
Saying “the blackies did it” sort of ruins it for them though.[/quote]
It would seem I have enemies who seek to undo my good work.
Attack the messenger is an age old tired strategy. Explain the logic to me on why you say I am a racist? Why do you say I am scared?
I see nothing racist about fear. I just never understood why bringing up the thousands of black on white murders, rapes and assaults (available to anyone through state police statistics) can be misunderstood as racist.
I never used the term blackies but thanks for trying to infer that I did. Others here may not read all pages and should know you used that to paint me in a stereotype.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
I see nothing racist about fear. I just never understood why bringing up the thousands of black on white murders, rapes and assaults (available to anyone through state police statistics) can be misunderstood as racist.
[/quote]
It’s racist because you are white (I presume?) and are speaking of crimes committed by black folks agains white ones
That = Racist
You didn’t know this?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
whenever i go to the south i never pay for anything since they had slave labor what seems like a last year, so i figure it’s totally ok for me to walk out of the store or restaurant and not pay for anything since the owners are probably horrible racist who would still have slaves if it was allowed.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
A white person started this thread so exactly who is not letting go?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
A white person started this thread so exactly who is not letting go? [/quote]
The black people who beat up a family for being white?[/quote]
Or the people that keep mentioning skin color? White or black, it doesn’t matter. The crime sucks, it always sucks when innocents get hurt, whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, mauve, or whatever color.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
A white person started this thread so exactly who is not letting go? [/quote]
The black people who beat up a family for being white?[/quote]
Or the people that keep mentioning skin color? White or black, it doesn’t matter. The crime sucks, it always sucks when innocents get hurt, whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, mauve, or whatever color.[/quote]
I agree with you USMCpoolee, however the law does not. The law chose to recognize that if crime is committed because of a bias against someone based on color then that crime is to be punished more severely than if it wasn’t. Am I to understand that you do not believe hate crime laws should exist?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
A white person started this thread so exactly who is not letting go? [/quote]
The black people who beat up a family for being white?[/quote]
Or the people that keep mentioning skin color? White or black, it doesn’t matter. The crime sucks, it always sucks when innocents get hurt, whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, mauve, or whatever color.[/quote]
I agree with you USMCpoolee, however the law does not. The law chose to recognize that if crime is committed because of a bias against someone based on color then that crime is to be punished more severely than if it wasn’t. Am I to understand that you do not believe hate crime laws should exist?[/quote]
Another poster hit it on the head for me with hate crime laws, they were needed during the time they were made law. I do not agree with the idea of them, but I understand that they can be necessary. I also don’t have any personal experience with racism so it is harder for me to have a concrete opinion on that.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
A white person started this thread so exactly who is not letting go? [/quote]
The black people who beat up a family for being white?[/quote]
Or the people that keep mentioning skin color? White or black, it doesn’t matter. The crime sucks, it always sucks when innocents get hurt, whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, mauve, or whatever color.[/quote]
I agree with you USMCpoolee, however the law does not. The law chose to recognize that if crime is committed because of a bias against someone based on color then that crime is to be punished more severely than if it wasn’t. Am I to understand that you do not believe hate crime laws should exist?[/quote]
What you are saying is part of the problem. You may not mean it but it reads as though it’s a black and white issue and blacks are treated in some special way because of the law. This is not true. Hate crime laws came about as much for gays, Jews, women, as race or ethnicity. People like to paint this picture of black people whining and crying about being victims of racially motivated crimes when there was a time in the 80s when gay baiting and bashing was rampant. Matthew Shepard was brutally murdered not that long ago. Synagogues were common targets of nazi graffiti. It’s like affirmative action is considered an entitlement program for blacks when it covers more than just black people. It includes women for example, 50% of the population, yet people focus on the smaller %, that is, black people.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
A white person started this thread so exactly who is not letting go? [/quote]
The black people who beat up a family for being white?[/quote]
Or the people that keep mentioning skin color? White or black, it doesn’t matter. The crime sucks, it always sucks when innocents get hurt, whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, mauve, or whatever color.[/quote]
I agree with you USMCpoolee, however the law does not. The law chose to recognize that if crime is committed because of a bias against someone based on color then that crime is to be punished more severely than if it wasn’t. Am I to understand that you do not believe hate crime laws should exist?[/quote]
Another poster hit it on the head for me with hate crime laws, they were needed during the time they were made law. I do not agree with the idea of them, but I understand that they can be necessary. I also don’t have any personal experience with racism so it is harder for me to have a concrete opinion on that.[/quote]
“Hate crime” is such a dumb name anyway.
I am pretty sure most crimes involve some sort of hate.
There aren’t many “love crimes” out there that I know of.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
A white person started this thread so exactly who is not letting go? [/quote]
The black people who beat up a family for being white?[/quote]
Or the people that keep mentioning skin color? White or black, it doesn’t matter. The crime sucks, it always sucks when innocents get hurt, whether they are white, black, brown, yellow, mauve, or whatever color.[/quote]
I agree with you USMCpoolee, however the law does not. The law chose to recognize that if crime is committed because of a bias against someone based on color then that crime is to be punished more severely than if it wasn’t. Am I to understand that you do not believe hate crime laws should exist?[/quote]
What you are saying is part of the problem. You may not mean it but it reads as though it’s a black and white issue and blacks are treated in some special way because of the law. This is not true. Hate crime laws came about as much for gays, Jews, women, as race or ethnicity. People like to paint this picture of black people whining and crying about being victims of racially motivated crimes when there was a time in the 80s when gay baiting and bashing was rampant. Matthew Shepard was brutally murdered not that long ago. Synagogues were common targets of nazi graffiti. It’s like affirmative action is considered an entitlement program for blacks when it covers more than just black people. It includes women for example, 50% of the population, yet people focus on the smaller %, that is, black people. [/quote]
Lets not even get started in affirmative action.
Always trying to keep the white man down.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
OR we could have just enforced the existing laws that already made murder and assault illegal.[/quote]
This.
Or we could just keep re-hashing racial issues because… Well why not!!
Our great great grandparents might have been effected so lets not let it go.[/quote]
whenever i go to the south i never pay for anything since they had slave labor what seems like a last year, so i figure it’s totally ok for me to walk out of the store or restaurant and not pay for anything since the owners are probably horrible racist who would still have slaves if it was allowed. [/quote]
My sarcasm detector may be off but I LOL’ed
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
I see nothing racist about fear. I just never understood why bringing up the thousands of black on white murders, rapes and assaults (available to anyone through state police statistics) can be misunderstood as racist.
[/quote]
It’s racist because you are white (I presume?) and are speaking of crimes committed by black folks agains white ones
That = Racist
You didn’t know this?[/quote]
Hate crime laws, which have been around for a lot longer than most people realize, exist in order to help protect minority groups (not just blacks). As time has progressed the laws have been expanded to cover several groups. These groups were being targeted and being minorities they obviously lacked the power, in several connotations, to protect themselves. The laws were meant to overcome that. Do those groups still need that protection? They definitely needed it at one point in time.
If we get back to the OP, which was a troll job by a troll, he seems to be saying that a race war is coming and white people are going to be second class citizens or something. Your chances, as a white, of being a victim of a black hate crime (or any crime) is very low. Your chances of losing out on a job or college slot to a black is very low. A woman, of any race, is a more serious “threat” than a black male in those cases. As a white you are more likely to lose a shot at Harvard to an Asian or Latino than a black.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
I see nothing racist about fear. I just never understood why bringing up the thousands of black on white murders, rapes and assaults (available to anyone through state police statistics) can be misunderstood as racist.
[/quote]
It’s racist because you are white (I presume?) and are speaking of crimes committed by black folks agains white ones
That = Racist
You didn’t know this?[/quote]
Time “Bob is a Racist” again:
[/quote]
“How can something be racist if its true?”
That’s a racist question.
lol
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Hate crime laws, which have been around for a lot longer than most people realize, exist in order to help protect minority groups (not just blacks). As time has progressed the laws have been expanded to cover several groups. These groups were being targeted and being minorities they obviously lacked the power, in several connotations, to protect themselves. The laws were meant to overcome that. Do those groups still need that protection? They definitely needed it at one point in time.
If we get back to the OP, which was a troll job by a troll, he seems to be saying that a race war is coming and white people are going to be second class citizens or something. Your chances, as a white, of being a victim of a black hate crime (or any crime) is very low. Your chances of losing out on a job or college slot to a black is very low. A woman, of any race, is a more serious “threat” than a black male in those cases. As a white you are more likely to lose a shot at Harvard to an Asian or Latino than a black. [/quote]
The chances of being a victim of any crime are very low if you’re white?
I did not know this fact.
Interesting.
