Family Attacked for Being in 'Wrong Neighborhood'

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Hate crime laws, which have been around for a lot longer than most people realize, exist in order to help protect minority groups (not just blacks). As time has progressed the laws have been expanded to cover several groups. These groups were being targeted and being minorities they obviously lacked the power, in several connotations, to protect themselves. The laws were meant to overcome that. Do those groups still need that protection? They definitely needed it at one point in time.

If we get back to the OP, which was a troll job by a troll, he seems to be saying that a race war is coming and white people are going to be second class citizens or something. Your chances, as a white, of being a victim of a black hate crime (or any crime) is very low. Your chances of losing out on a job or college slot to a black is very low. A woman, of any race, is a more serious “threat” than a black male in those cases. As a white you are more likely to lose a shot at Harvard to an Asian or Latino than a black. [/quote]
The chances of being a victim of any crime are very low if you’re white?
I did not know this fact.
Interesting.[/quote]
A crime by a black, hate or otherwise.

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And for those whites who have a fear of black people “taking over” I suggest you take a trip through Detroit or Chicago, or Newark (where I lived briefly). For better or worse, they are not even on the same playing field let alone at the head of the table. But it is typical of those who use empty rhetoric to have a scapegoat, an enemy, the Other, who is also weak because, when your enemies are too strong you just pick a weaker one.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Hate crime laws, which have been around for a lot longer than most people realize, exist in order to help protect minority groups (not just blacks). As time has progressed the laws have been expanded to cover several groups. These groups were being targeted and being minorities they obviously lacked the power, in several connotations, to protect themselves. The laws were meant to overcome that. Do those groups still need that protection? They definitely needed it at one point in time.

If we get back to the OP, which was a troll job by a troll, he seems to be saying that a race war is coming and white people are going to be second class citizens or something. Your chances, as a white, of being a victim of a black hate crime (or any crime) is very low. Your chances of losing out on a job or college slot to a black is very low. A woman, of any race, is a more serious “threat” than a black male in those cases. As a white you are more likely to lose a shot at Harvard to an Asian or Latino than a black. [/quote]
The chances of being a victim of any crime are very low if you’re white?
I did not know this fact.
Interesting.[/quote]
A crime by a black, hate or otherwise. [/quote]

I only focused on color in my original post because that is the group that this has to do with. And as I said earlier, hate crime laws were not in existence until 1981, and until very recently they did not include sexual orientation, so the gay bashing of the 1980s is a mute point. Also why should someone be punished any less severely for killing someone because they were black, gay, latina, or Jewish versus killing that same person because they wanted were angry at them or wanted their money? The point in time when these groups needed the protection of hate crime laws was over by the time they were instituted.
And to the point of the job, at a recent city council meeting about hiring firefighters, three of the five councilman stood up and told the fire chief that the next person that he hired had to be black or they would block it. When it was pointed out the only black applicant was a rookie with far less experience and didn’t have the proper certs they said they didn’t care and to hire him anyway because people of color need a chance. How is that not blatantly discriminating against the more qualified and experienced applicants because of race?

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The Bureau of Justice Statistics is racist.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
And for those whites who have a fear of black people “taking over” I suggest you take a trip through Detroit or Chicago, or Newark (where I lived briefly). For better or worse, they are not even on the same playing field let alone at the head of the table. But it is typical of those who use empty rhetoric to have a scapegoat, an enemy, the Other, who is also weak because, when your enemies are too strong you just pick a weaker one. [/quote]

Plus, as we all know, the Jooos are going to take over the world.

It’s true, I have it right here in this Iranian newspaper.

Also, I can turn into a rat or gorilla at will. The gorilla thing will really help my deadlift.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

whenever i go to the south i never pay for anything since they had slave labor what seems like a last year, so i figure it’s totally ok for me to walk out of the store or restaurant and not pay for anything since the owners are probably horrible racist who would still have slaves if it was allowed. [/quote]

Lets not conflate a bunch of separate issues here.

First off, racism has a strong and prominent role throughout human history. You are unlikely to find civilizations that didn’t shit all over minorities at one point or another. And to that end, if you want to call America it’s own civilization it is still relatively young, and has been in a constant state of flux since its founding, with the flow of various immigrant groups, and what remains of the native people.

Slavery is, was and has always been, throughout human history, about economics. The act of having slaves was about production and incomes v expenses. Racism as it is linked to slavery in America, is born of slavery, not the other way around. Africans weren’t kidnapped and shipped to the new world because people hated black people. People in America, after the slaves were already here, used racism as a justification to keep these poor souls as slaves.

This is a common misconception, that is pretty obvious when you take the time to think. How on Earth did the same people who drafted the Declaration of Independence justify to themselves keeping their slaves? Slavery begat racism, not the other way around. It just as easily could have been southeast Asians, or Eastern Europeans for that matter. Shit the Native Americans took other tribe members as slaves…

The will to power of economic gain and control of people seems to be a common human trait throughout human history. Hating of people different than you is simply a rationalization of an immoral act, as it relates to slavery.

This also was a purely southern problem. Northern ships where the ones bringing these people into the New World.

I believe (I want to cite Sowell here, but I’m not 100%) that the Muslims, throughout history have taken black Africans as slaves at an exponentially higher rate than whites in America ever did… Which always puzzles me when you think about Ali and Malcolm etc… Why would they want to join the ranks of a people that oppressed their ancestors much more than Anglo-Americans?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

whenever i go to the south i never pay for anything since they had slave labor what seems like a last year, so i figure it’s totally ok for me to walk out of the store or restaurant and not pay for anything since the owners are probably horrible racist who would still have slaves if it was allowed. [/quote]

Lets not conflate a bunch of separate issues here.

First off, racism has a strong and prominent role throughout human history. You are unlikely to find civilizations that didn’t shit all over minorities at one point or another. And to that end, if you want to call America it’s own civilization it is still relatively young, and has been in a constant state of flux since its founding, with the flow of various immigrant groups, and what remains of the native people.

Slavery is, was and has always been, throughout human history, about economics. The act of having slaves was about production and incomes v expenses. Racism as it is linked to slavery in America, is born of slavery, not the other way around. Africans weren’t kidnapped and shipped to the new world because people hated black people. People in America, after the slaves were already here, used racism as a justification to keep these poor souls as slaves.

This is a common misconception, that is pretty obvious when you take the time to think. How on Earth did the same people who drafted the Declaration of Independence justify to themselves keeping their slaves? Slavery begat racism, not the other way around. It just as easily could have been southeast Asians, or Eastern Europeans for that matter. Shit the Native Americans took other tribe members as slaves…

The will to power of economic gain and control of people seems to be a common human trait throughout human history. Hating of people different than you is simply a rationalization of an immoral act, as it relates to slavery.

This also was a purely southern problem. Northern ships where the ones bringing these people into the New World.

I believe (I want to cite Sowell here, but I’m not 100%) that the Muslims, throughout history have taken black Africans as slaves at an exponentially higher rate than whites in America ever did… Which always puzzles me when you think about Ali and Malcolm etc… Why would they want to join the ranks of a people that oppressed their ancestors much more than Anglo-Americans? [/quote]

Very well put.

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[quote]eremesu wrote:
holy shit. for some reason this is not a hate crime. i wonder what that reason is[/quote]

Cutting through all the wordy discussion.

This IS a hate crime. The victims were targeted for their ethnicity. There is no arguing this fact. No amount of political blabbering or whining changes the fact that this is clearly an act of violence motivated by hatred of the victims’ ethnicity and is therefore a hate crime.

The police/government do not recognize it as such. That does not change the fact that this was a hate crime.

Blacks were enslaved by whites/blacks are disadvantaged/whatever/shut the fuck up. Nothing in history, nothing about current socioeconomic differences between the black “group” and white “group” in any way excuse the acts of these individuals. They are clearly guilty of harbouring racist attitudes and are clearly violent offenders who have no place in civilized society without significant rehabilitation to cure them of their racist attitudes. They are racists and they committed a hate crime, end of story.

Anything else gives legitimacy to the use of collective guilt as a valid excuse, and if collective guilt is an excuse then you would have to agree that if a few whites got together and drove through this neighbourhood gunning down blacks, then that would be “okay” because the entire neighbourhood shares collective responsibility for the attack at the gas station.

So which one is it? Are individuals responsible to not be racist and not attack people based on ethnicity, or is collective guilt acceptable?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Hate crime laws, which have been around for a lot longer than most people realize, exist in order to help protect minority groups (not just blacks). As time has progressed the laws have been expanded to cover several groups. These groups were being targeted and being minorities they obviously lacked the power, in several connotations, to protect themselves. The laws were meant to overcome that. Do those groups still need that protection? They definitely needed it at one point in time.

If we get back to the OP, which was a troll job by a troll, he seems to be saying that a race war is coming and white people are going to be second class citizens or something. Your chances, as a white, of being a victim of a black hate crime (or any crime) is very low. Your chances of losing out on a job or college slot to a black is very low. A woman, of any race, is a more serious “threat” than a black male in those cases. As a white you are more likely to lose a shot at Harvard to an Asian or Latino than a black. [/quote]
The chances of being a victim of any crime are very low if you’re white?
I did not know this fact.
Interesting.[/quote]
A crime by a black, hate or otherwise. [/quote]
So when you said the chances of a white being a victim of a black hate crime (OR ANY CRIME) is very low" you didn’t mean the “or any crime” part?
How, BTW, do you know this?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

whenever i go to the south i never pay for anything since they had slave labor what seems like a last year, so i figure it’s totally ok for me to walk out of the store or restaurant and not pay for anything since the owners are probably horrible racist who would still have slaves if it was allowed. [/quote]

Lets not conflate a bunch of separate issues here.

First off, racism has a strong and prominent role throughout human history. You are unlikely to find civilizations that didn’t shit all over minorities at one point or another. And to that end, if you want to call America it’s own civilization it is still relatively young, and has been in a constant state of flux since its founding, with the flow of various immigrant groups, and what remains of the native people.

Slavery is, was and has always been, throughout human history, about economics. The act of having slaves was about production and incomes v expenses. Racism as it is linked to slavery in America, is born of slavery, not the other way around. Africans weren’t kidnapped and shipped to the new world because people hated black people. People in America, after the slaves were already here, used racism as a justification to keep these poor souls as slaves.

This is a common misconception, that is pretty obvious when you take the time to think. How on Earth did the same people who drafted the Declaration of Independence justify to themselves keeping their slaves? Slavery begat racism, not the other way around. It just as easily could have been southeast Asians, or Eastern Europeans for that matter. Shit the Native Americans took other tribe members as slaves…

The will to power of economic gain and control of people seems to be a common human trait throughout human history. Hating of people different than you is simply a rationalization of an immoral act, as it relates to slavery.

This also was a purely southern problem. Northern ships where the ones bringing these people into the New World.

I believe (I want to cite Sowell here, but I’m not 100%) that the Muslims, throughout history have taken black Africans as slaves at an exponentially higher rate than whites in America ever did… Which always puzzles me when you think about Ali and Malcolm etc… Why would they want to join the ranks of a people that oppressed their ancestors much more than Anglo-Americans? [/quote]
This is not the place for logical well thought out posts.
Where is the ignorance and race baiting?
That’s what these threads are all about.

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I really don’t like to think of myself as a bigoted person but I just can’t feel comfortable around large groups of black people in trashy neighborhoods.

When I’m walking down the street and I see a group of thuggish black people, some fat black loud women and screaming black babies I just don’t feel at ease.

I’ve never been attacked by a black person but I just hear about stories like this and I feel I have to tread carefully.

I just don’t understand why these people can’t act normal. I know lots of intelligent, educated black people who would never hurt anyone. It seems all these people do is smoke, drink, eat fast food, take drugs talk really loudly and ask white people for change and get aggressive if they outright decline.

Also, it’s not really just black people, there is plenty of white trash out there too.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Hate crime laws, which have been around for a lot longer than most people realize, exist in order to help protect minority groups (not just blacks). As time has progressed the laws have been expanded to cover several groups. These groups were being targeted and being minorities they obviously lacked the power, in several connotations, to protect themselves. The laws were meant to overcome that. Do those groups still need that protection? They definitely needed it at one point in time.

If we get back to the OP, which was a troll job by a troll, he seems to be saying that a race war is coming and white people are going to be second class citizens or something. Your chances, as a white, of being a victim of a black hate crime (or any crime) is very low. Your chances of losing out on a job or college slot to a black is very low. A woman, of any race, is a more serious “threat” than a black male in those cases. As a white you are more likely to lose a shot at Harvard to an Asian or Latino than a black. [/quote]
The chances of being a victim of any crime are very low if you’re white?
I did not know this fact.
Interesting.[/quote]
A crime by a black, hate or otherwise. [/quote]
So when you said the chances of a white being a victim of a black hate crime (OR ANY CRIME) is very low" you didn’t mean the “or any crime” part?
How, BTW, do you know this?[/quote]
Uh, I did mean it see my first response. Crime by a black person, hate or otherwise (the any crime part). I know because I lived in the ghetto as the only white person in the neighborhood. I saw blacks the victims of crime by other blacks (including a murder that took place in front of my house) but according to the fear mongering here I should have been targeted and beaten, robbed and/or killed. I even worked out with ex-cons in the park who looked like linebackers and was not killed by the “savages.” Some were even Muslims and they didn’t blow me up.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Racism as it is linked to slavery in America, is born of slavery, not the other way around. Africans weren’t kidnapped and shipped to the new world because people hated black people. People in America, after the slaves were already here, used racism as a justification to keep these poor souls as slaves.

This is a common misconception, that is pretty obvious when you take the time to think. How on Earth did the same people who drafted the Declaration of Independence justify to themselves keeping their slaves? Slavery begat racism, not the other way around. It just as easily could have been southeast Asians, or Eastern Europeans for that matter. Shit the Native Americans took other tribe members as slaves…

The will to power of economic gain and control of people seems to be a common human trait throughout human history. Hating of people different than you is simply a rationalization of an immoral act, as it relates to slavery.
[/quote]

Not true. You don’t enslave someone and then after the fact concoct an excuse about being superior. You enslave them because you already believe them to be inferior and the fact you are even able to enslave them only proves that point. The thing is, at one point it was the Eastern Europeans. Slavic peoples were captured by Vikings and sold to the Arabs. What made some Viking think it was OK to do this? If he considered a Slav an equal he wouldn’t have believed he was justified in selling him. Fear of the Other is the source of it all.

And when you say, “Africans weren’t kidnapped and shipped to the new world because people hated black people,” all I can say it wasn’t because they loved them either.

What people get confused about is the concept of superiority based on genetics and based on culture. I would bet that racism, or whatever ism, was probably based on culture for the most part early in our history and the genetic concept is a newer trend.

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[quote]USAWchamp wrote:
I really don’t like to think of myself as a bigoted person but I just can’t feel comfortable around large groups of black people in trashy neighborhoods.

When I’m walking down the street and I see a group of thuggish black people, some fat black loud women and screaming black babies I just don’t feel at ease.

I’ve never been attacked by a black person but I just hear about stories like this and I feel I have to tread carefully.

I just don’t understand why these people can’t act normal. I know lots of intelligent, educated black people who would never hurt anyone. It seems all these people do is smoke, drink, eat fast food, take drugs talk really loudly and ask white people for change and get aggressive if they outright decline.

Also, it’s not really just black people, there is plenty of white trash out there too.

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Are you Ct. Rockula’s retarded white brother? Just outstanding troll work from you in a very short time. Bravo.

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No, I just read the original post and thought I’d share my opinion. I haven’t been paying attention to the comments since I assumed it was just a big argument.

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[quote]USAWchamp wrote:
I really don’t like to think of myself as a bigoted person but I just can’t feel comfortable around large groups of black people in trashy neighborhoods.
[/quote]

I’m not sure if this is what he meant, but I would say that it’s pretty natural to feel most at ease around people who are most similar to yourself.

That’s why in large diverse cities, there is a level of voluntary segregation. “China town” “little Italy” etc.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
You don’t enslave someone and then after the fact concoct an excuse about being superior. [/quote]

Well no shit. But you aren’t even arguing against my point, because that isn’t what I said.

My point = slavery in America (and throughout most of mankind’s history) had, for the most part, jack and shit to do with the color of skin, or “race” of either the slave or owner. It was only after the fact, as it pertains to America’s slavery, that the individuals skin tone became a relevant factor.

Race had nothing to do with the enslavement of African natives. Their being far behind in the technology tree had as much to do with it than anything. They couldn’t organize and fight back… Therefore they were lessor, and slave fodder.

Why is race even relevant in the conversation about slavery then? Because America was founded by people educated post-enlightenment. They understood individual liberty and god given rights. But, they were humans, and as many humans did then, they performed immoral acts. Like abortion now, they knew slavery was wrong. They knew in their hearts it wasn’t right and all men are equal in the eyes of the law. (The whole “created” wording has given rise to some fucked up theory’s in life. If we were all created equal I’d be playing short stop for the Mets right now.) But they couldn’t give up their slaves… So what did they do? Turned their race, which just so happened to be black, into the reason they should be slaves.

They justified their immoral behavior by making blacks less than human. Rationalization of an immoral act. It had less to do with the slaves being black as it did for them being slaves. Had it been Asian people, it would have been the same…

Slavery in America, and throughout history had nothing to do with race, until the conversation about ending slavery became an honest one.

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Almost any FBI statistic you look at supports the fact that if a crime is committed against you by a stranger, regardless of race, the perpetrator is most frequently back. And that is lumping Hispanics and whites together. I will say this, if someone kills a woman that they are close to that perp is extremely likely to be white. Just throwing that out there for parity.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Hate crime laws, which have been around for a lot longer than most people realize, exist in order to help protect minority groups (not just blacks). As time has progressed the laws have been expanded to cover several groups. These groups were being targeted and being minorities they obviously lacked the power, in several connotations, to protect themselves. The laws were meant to overcome that. Do those groups still need that protection? They definitely needed it at one point in time.

If we get back to the OP, which was a troll job by a troll, he seems to be saying that a race war is coming and white people are going to be second class citizens or something. Your chances, as a white, of being a victim of a black hate crime (or any crime) is very low. Your chances of losing out on a job or college slot to a black is very low. A woman, of any race, is a more serious “threat” than a black male in those cases. As a white you are more likely to lose a shot at Harvard to an Asian or Latino than a black. [/quote]
The chances of being a victim of any crime are very low if you’re white?
I did not know this fact.
Interesting.[/quote]
A crime by a black, hate or otherwise. [/quote]
So when you said the chances of a white being a victim of a black hate crime (OR ANY CRIME) is very low" you didn’t mean the “or any crime” part?
How, BTW, do you know this?[/quote]
Uh, I did mean it see my first response. Crime by a black person, hate or otherwise (the any crime part). I know because I lived in the ghetto as the only white person in the neighborhood. I saw blacks the victims of crime by other blacks (including a murder that took place in front of my house) but according to the fear mongering here I should have been targeted and beaten, robbed and/or killed. I even worked out with ex-cons in the park who looked like linebackers and was not killed by the “savages.” Some were even Muslims and they didn’t blow me up. [/quote]

I was assaulted and robbed by a black person.
I also had a Muslim guy try to blow me up and kill me.
Our personal experiences differ quite a bit and one persons personal experience obviously applies to everyone else right?